Gran Turismo 7 Update 1.44 Now Available, Adds Toyota GT-One, Lamborghini Urus, Audi R8

[juanffy18]

And Audi R8 00 and CLR 99

In what game appeared the CLR?

Sadly the CLR is a meme car no more than that.
I think the V12 LMR, R8 LMP900, 911 GT1 1998 or R390 are better options.

 

[Nielsen]

The discussion is setting itself up for disappointment by anticipating fleshed out prototype grids anytime soon. PD’s main focus is road cars. For example, there are still several classic Toyota road cars not currently in Gran Turismo. Especially models wearing the Celica nameplate. We are probably more likely to see some of those before another racing prototype like the TS010.

Someone at Polyphony really loves them Audis.

I wouldn’t say so. Just two months ago there were only three Audi road cars in the game. Soon there’s going to be five, and even then the BMW road car lineup in GT7 will still be bigger.

Just another day I realized there are not single 5-series BMW in the game. a "car enthusiasts game" without M5 is a bit lacking?

Just like there is no Audi RS 6. It’s not hard to understand why these big saloons are absent when both Audi and BMW offer nimbler alternatives - many of which are in the game.

 

[RACECAR]

I still confidently predict we'll have the BMW V12 LMR at some point. There has not been a single mainline GT game since GT4 that didn't feature the BMW Motorsport trio of at least one of the BMW M3 GTs (E46 GTR or E92 GT2), the Mclaren F1 GTR AND the BMW V12 LMR and I don't see that ending with 7.

 

[Lebowski]

Pointless SUV and another irrelevant old race car. R8 will be a nice addition to some custom races though.

 

[LSFDRX]

Someone at Polyphony really loves them Audis. Just another day I realized there are not single 5-series BMW in the game. a "car enthusiasts game" without M5 is a bit lacking? Id prefer the E39. And im not even that much of a fan (it did take me this long to recognize them missing..)

No, the bias definitely favors BMW. You have the M2, many different generations of M3, and tons of other types of beemer.

What to we get with Audi, three TTs (no TTRS), an old R8 V8 some GR3 R8s and VGT cars? How is that "loving them Audis"? We hardly have any at all.

Sure, an E39/E60 M5 would be nice, but how about ANY Audi sedan? B5/B6/B7 S4/RS4? C6/C7 S6/RS6?

 

[Boxster]

I still confidently predict we'll have the BMW V12 LMR at some point. There has not been a single mainline GT game since GT4 that didn't feature the BMW Motorsport trio of at least of the BMW M3 GTs (E46 GTR or E92 GT2), the Mclaren F1 GTR AND the BMW V12 LMR and I don't see that ending with 7.

We need the BMW LMR but also several LMP1 Audis, like the R8 LMP and the R10 TDI.

 

[UltimateLurker]

Love me some GT-1!!! SUV's? In a racing game? Keep them ALL.

Now, give me my damn Minolta Toyota 88C-V!!!!

No, the bias definitely favors BMW. You have the M2...

Not the real M2, the OG. They gave us that terrible sounding Competition S55. Grrr

 

[juanffy18]

Pointless SUV and another irrelevant old race car. R8 will be a nice addition to some custom races though.

This is not another "irrelevant old race car". If the GT One enter into the GR2 class, this could be one of the best cars in that category.

The Urus and the R8 are just a beauty cars to fill the roster after all. The Urus fits more in games like The Crew, NFS or Forza Horizon.

 

[DS13_supergt]

 

[tankuroded]

It was for this run:

 

[Nakano219]

Something I find interesting is that a lot of people who were there back in the GT3 days are mentioning the R390 as the rival to the GT-One back on the PS2. Yet, should the R390 also find its way to GT7, they'll almost never race each other outside of off-beat setups like the Neo-Classic (since the GT-One should be Gr.1 and the R390 would definitely be Gr.2).

Just an thought that passed through my mind about how car classes in the series have changed over the years.

 

[juanffy18]

Something I find interesting is that a lot of people who were there back in the GT3 days are mentioning the R390 as the rival to the GT-One back on the PS2. Yet, should the R390 also find its way to GT7, they'll almost never race each other outside of off-beat setups like the Neo-Classic (since the GT-One should be Gr.1 and the R390 would definitely be Gr.2).

Just an thought that passed through my mind about how car classes in the series have changed over the years.

Thats true, they only option is if they chose the GTone 1998 instead the 1999 model.

 

[LammersXJR]

The discussion is setting itself up for disappointment by anticipating fleshed out prototype grids anytime soon. PD’s main focus is road cars.

'Anytime soon' being the key point.

We don't have any timeframe, but I've little doubt the new breed of Hypercars will be top priorities for PD. They did bring all LMP1H cars to the series - we just had a period with a lack of OEMS before Hypercar - so the Gr.1 field was pretty stagnant.

With the likes of Toyota, Porsche, Ferrari, Peugeot, BMW, Lamborgini, Aston Martin and more in Hypercar - there could well be incentive for PD to revise their Gr.1 class structure. Although such a move, if it happens, will probably be left for GT8. That said I'd be very surprised if we don't get a selection of these cars in the next 12 months. All brands have pretty close links with PD - only Cadillac and Acura seem unlikely - due to their association with Forza.

As for historic prototypes, I'm not sure how comprehensive the datamined lists have been. Was the GT-ONE even listed? Given the latter is coming I'd be surprised if we don't get the R390 (probably '98), 911 GT1 '98, Speed 8, V12 LMR - maybe the R8 & R10 - although we have plenty of R18's. From the Group C era the obvious missing models are the 905 & 88C-V.

 

[DS13_supergt]

Does anyone know what are the technical differences between the 1998 ans the 1999 TS020?

 

[LammersXJR]

Does anyone know what are the technical differences between the 1998 ans the 1999 TS020?

Little of significance - the car just had much more track time to refine the package.

LMGTP was basically GT1 without the quirks of road car homologation like the need for luggage.

I wouldn't even take much notice of official power figures. This was a time when the ACO used air restrictors and it was common for a reduction in size (and theoretical power) every year or two - but teams gained much of it back with development.

i think the '99 variant is lighter and possibly higher HP

The class weight in both years was 900kg. In '98 the GT-ONE tipped the scales at 920kg - in '99 it was almost bang on 900kg.

 

[StealthVel]

Isn't the '98 manual unlike the '99?

 

[RobertHammer]

i think the '99 variant is lighter and possibly higher HP

 

[SagarisGTB]

No, the bias definitely favors BMW. You have the M2, many different generations of M3, and tons of other types of beemer.

What to we get with Audi, three TTs (no TTRS), an old R8 V8 some GR3 R8s and BGT cars? How is that "loving them Audis"? We hardly have any at all.

Sure, an E39/E60 M5 would be nice, but how about ANY Audi sedan? B5/B6/B7 S4/RS4? C6/C7 S6/RS6?

There should be more BMWs than Audis, and I say this as someone who doesn't care much for either brand. The brands that have made more and better performance cars should have more cars represented in the game.

BMW has been making sportier and better driving cars for the vast majority of the time both manufacturers have been around. The M3 is a driver's car icon that has gone through 6 generations, the 1M and M2 have been highly rated, the M5 has generally set the standard for large sedans/saloons, the 2002 and M1 are excellent sporty classics, the Z1/Z3/Z4 have gone through 5 generations, i8 exists, etc. Outside of the two generations of R8 and the hatchback-based TTs (which have never been rated as amazing driver's cars), there aren't any Audi sports cars and Audi's back-catalogue isn't filled with great driving cars. Sure, a few RS 3s and RS 4s would fit well in the game and I personally really like the 2015 S1 (as found in Assetto Corsa), but there's no bias to have more BMWs than Audis in GT7.

 

[OldandSlow]

That time Mercedes created a car that fly

The worst Mercedes crash was at LeMans in 1955. Look that one up.

 

[GT PRO-AM]

Sadly the CLR is a meme car no more than that.

It can also be a good car for a GIF with sound. You only need to insert "I believe I can fly" as background music.

Obviously we are joking about the CLR only because fortunately (or rather, miraculously) no one got hurt with those terrifying flights at Le Mans, otherwise we wouldn't have been joking at all.

We need the BMW LMR but also several LMP1 Audis, like the R8 LMP and the R10 TDI.

I would also really like the Pescarolo cars. Because I've always appreciated underdogs and also because Henri is a legend of endurance racing. It would be a nice tribute to him.

Another nice addition would be the Bentley Speed 8, winner of the 2003 24H of Le Mans and already present in Gran Turismo.

 

[RACECAR]

Isn't the '98 manual unlike the '99?

If I'm not mistaken, the 98 used a sequential shifter (With the road car even having a shifter just to maintain that connection as part of the rules, though it might've been manual) while the 99 used paddles.

 

[Boxster]

It was for this run:

That's actually a very good idea. You get a great 25 km circuit without much investment needed

 

[StealthVel]

If I'm not mistaken, the 98 used a sequential shifter (With the road car even having a shifter just to maintain that connection as part of the rules, though it might've been manual) while the 99 used paddles.

Interesting 🤔
I only ask because I've seen videos of the '98 version in Project Cars 2 and you can see it constantly shift to neutral between gears.

 

[juanffy18]

'Anytime soon' being the key point.

We don't have any timeframe, but I've little doubt the new breed of Hypercars will be top priorities for PD. They did bring all LMP1H cars to the series - we just had a period with a lack of OEMS before Hypercar - so the Gr.1 field was pretty stagnant.

With the likes of Toyota, Porsche, Ferrari, Peugeot, BMW, Lamborgini, Aston Martin and more in Hypercar - there could well be incentive for PD to revise their Gr.1 class structure. Although such a move, if it happens, will probably be left for GT8. That said I'd be very surprised if we don't get a selection of these cars in the next 12 months. All brands have pretty close links with PD - only Cadillac and Acura seem unlikely - due to their association with Forza.

As for historic prototypes, I'm not sure how comprehensive the datamined lists have been. Was the GT-ONE even listed? Given the latter is coming I'd be surprised if we don't get the R390 (probably '98), 911 GT1 '98, Speed 8, V12 LMR - maybe the R8 & R10 - although we have plenty of R18's. From the Group C era the obvious missing models are the 905 & 88C-V.

The only car listed in that datamined lists was the R8 2016

 

[RACECAR]

Interesting 🤔
I only ask because I've seen videos of the '98 version in Project Cars 2 and you can see it constantly shift to neutral between gears.

If I remember, that's just a quirk with several cars.

1998 car (From this video at around at 7:06 - 7:11):

1999 car:

 

[Islaygaz]

With the GT One coming this week I decided to keep my Cr.800k from the weeklies to help fund my purchase! 🤣

 

[br1x]

Does anyone know what are the technical differences between the 1998 ans the 1999 TS020?

They pretty much refined the car and redesigned the rear engine cover, front and rear ducts and added front winglets to increase downforce and at the same time further reducing drag. Also a lot of chassis and engine improvements and adjustments to the change in regulations from GT1 in 1998 to LM-GTP. Most of it is not as obvious visually, but the changes were pretty substantial. They also switched to paddle shifters for 1999.

Overall they gained about 7 seconds per lap at Le Mans which is quite a lot for "just" a refinement of a car. Nissan for example gained 4 seconds from 1997 to 1998 which is quite considerable already, but wasn't enough to keep up with the newly developed Merc or Porsche, let alone the Toyota.

 

[MisterWaffles]

They pretty much refined the car and redesigned the rear engine cover, front and rear ducts and added front winglets to increase downforce and at the same time further reducing drag. Also a lot of chassis and engine improvements and adjustments to the change in regulations from GT1 in 1998 to LM-GTP. Most of it is not as obvious visually, but the changes were pretty substantial. They also switched to paddle shifters for 1999.

Overall they gained about 7 seconds per lap at Le Mans which is quite a lot for "just" a refinement of a car. Nissan for example gained 4 seconds from 1997 to 1998 which is quite considerable already, but wasn't enough to keep up with the newly developed Merc or Porsche, let alone the Toyota.

Also the GTP car from ‘99 has wider tires too I’m pretty sure due to the regulations for prototypes vs GT cars at the time, so the much wider tires would of course aid a lot in cornering speeds due to the increased contact area with the road and the improved grip.

 

[br1x]

Also the GTP car from ‘99 has wider tires too I’m pretty sure due to the regulations for prototypes vs GT cars at the time, so the much wider tires would of course aid a lot in cornering speeds due to the increased contact area with the road and the improved grip.

The open LMPs had wider tires than the closed GTP cars at the time, it stayed at the GT1 regulation width of 14".

 

[RACECAR]

I just thought of something: Remember that GT x Bareen Collaboration that is supposed to have more about it on March 27th? Is there a chance that later that night is when maintenance happens and the update drops?