Gran Turismo 7 Update Coming July 28

[VinylRichie]

He means they're not new in the real world. People want to drive the latest 2022 and 2021 models as well as the older stuff, but we're getting nothing. The 918, whilst a welcome addition, is from 9 years ago. Obviously they didn't have the Porsche license back then but it's the same with all the other additions. The only new road car they added so far was a BRZ clone.

You are not speaking for everybody. Sure it’s also cool for me to have some recent cars in the game, I myself prefer older cars and therefore having cars coming up which aren’t „new“ isn’t something negative for me, actually it’s the opposite.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

How many cars are there from the 2020s? I feel like if you want old cars you’re well catered for but there hardly any current gen stuff.

 

[Mathaios_C]

He means they're not new in the real world. People want to drive the latest 2022 and 2021 models as well as the older stuff, but we're getting nothing. The 918, whilst a welcome addition, is from 9 years ago. Obviously they didn't have the Porsche license back then but it's the same with all the other additions. The only new road car they added so far was a BRZ clone.

People? Who people?

 

[Samus]

You are not speaking for everybody. Sure it’s also cool for me to have some recent cars in the game, I myself prefer older cars and therefore having cars coming up which aren’t „new“ isn’t something negative for me, actually it’s the opposite.

Did I say I was? Obviously different people want different things, my initial point was of the 12 cars added so far, only one was a new road car.

For those people who do want the latest models, they're not coming very quickly.

People? Who people?

Do...you want a list of names, or what? Just...people. Many of them. Look around this forum for a start.

 

[VinylRichie]

Did I say I was? Obviously different people want different things, my initial point was of the 12 cars added so far, only one was a new road car.

For those people who do want the latest models, they're not coming very quickly.

Do...you want a list of names, or what? Just...people. Many of them. Look around this forum for a start.

It sounds at least as if you want to say: most people don’t want these cars they are offering right now, they prefer the newer, more recent cars over these. And when you formulate it like „people want this or that“, then you give the impression as if the demand for classic or „older“ cars is irrelevant, as if the demand for new cars is trumps everything else automatically.

And again I agree that some mew cars would more than welcome, but classic cars too, and PD for example has a relationship to the classic car world like no other game right now, so I would like them to stay on that path

 

[ferhound]

No it isn't. The costs are covered by the purchase of the game. They are part of what you bought. It's content you haven't received yet, but you paid for it.

Unlike you I bought my copy of the game without any DLC included.

 

[Dave A]

It sounds at least as if you want to say: most people don’t want these cars they are offering right now, they prefer the newer, more recent cars over these. And when you formulate it like „people want this or that“, then you give the impression as if the demand for classic or „older“ cars is irrelevant, as if the demand for new cars is trumps everything else automatically.

And again I agree that some mew cars would more than welcome, but classic cars too, and PD for example has a relationship to the classic car world like no other game right now, so I would like them to stay on that path

He quite clearly said people in general sense and the only point he made was that some people want to drive newer cars as much as some people like driving the older ones. You're arguing over semantics here. The word "most" was not used nor did he criticise the infusion of older cars, only the lack of newer ones.

However I would hazard a guess (and it is just a guess), that most players would prefer new performance cars over old as most players are not here and are probably not all that into cars.

 

[Samus]

It sounds at least as if you want to say: most people don’t want these cars they are offering right now, they prefer the newer, more recent cars over these. And when you formulate it like „people want this or that“, then you give the impression as if the demand for classic or „older“ cars is irrelevant, as if the demand for new cars is trumps everything else automatically.

And again I agree that some mew cars would more than welcome, but classic cars too, and PD for example has a relationship to the classic car world like no other game right now, so I would like them to stay on that path

No, I didn't. I meant what I said and nothing more. You're just making up your own other side of the discussion. I even said the 918 was a welcome addition.

Lots of people want to drive the latest cars.
GT7 isn't adding many of the latest cars.

Two simple factual statements that don't negate any other statements, like your statement that lots of people want to drive classic cars. Yup. They do. No doubt.

Only three cars a month was also a key part of my point. You can't build up a good collection of any era car at that rate.

 

[05XR8]

It sounds at least as if you want to say: most people don’t want these cars they are offering right now, they prefer the newer, more recent cars over these. And when you formulate it like „people want this or that“, then you give the impression as if the demand for classic or „older“ cars is irrelevant, as if the demand for new cars is trumps everything else automatically.

And again I agree that some mew cars would more than welcome, but classic cars too, and PD for example has a relationship to the classic car world like no other game right now, so I would like them to stay on that path

I don’t know about that. Forza games and PC2 have some really nice classics. PD’s relationship seems up In the air for some brands(Lotus, Caterham, Bentley,…).

 

[Samus]

Here are the updated graphs on car spread by year. The list remains heavily slanted towards the late 2010s for the most part.

Firstly the simple overall list:

As you can see, the list is dominated by 2017 cars because it's dominated by the huge amount of fictional cars added in GTS without a year, so I attributed them to the year of their arrival. Gr.3, Gr.3 Road, Gr.4, Gr.B and some VGTs. Beyond that you can see the list is slanted towards late 2000s, and there isn't any more 2018-2023 cars than really any other era.

However, if you filter the car list to ONLY production road cars (229 cars), you get this:

There are more cars from most years of the 90s compared to 2021 and 2022.

Finally, for ONLY real race cars (74 cars), you get this:

Other than the outlier of 2016, there is no real sign of recency bias. For a game released in 2022, you'd expect the outlier to be 2020 or 2021.

Finally, here is the total car list split by decades.

So again, the domination is from 2010s models. For those wanting the very latest machinery, they're outdone by or equalled by every other decade as far back as the 60s.

If you didn't know any better, you'd probably assume this was a 2017 game which was still getting DLC in 2022.

 

[Batschisane52]

Here are the updated graphs on car spread by year. The list remains heavily slanted towards the late 2010s for the most part.

Firstly the simple overall list:

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As you can see, the list is dominated by 2017 cars because it's dominated by the huge amount of fictional cars added in GTS without a year, so I attributed them to the year of their arrival. Gr.3, Gr.3 Road, Gr.4, Gr.B and some VGTs. Beyond that you can see the list is slanted towards late 2000s, and there isn't any more 2018-2023 cars than really any other era.

However, if you filter the car list to ONLY production road cars (229 cars), you get this:
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There are more cars from most years of the 90s compared to 2021 and 2022.

Finally, for ONLY real race cars (74 cars), you get this:
View attachment 1176157

Other than the outlier of 2016, there is no real sign of recency bias. For a game released in 2022, you'd expect the outlier to be 2020 or 2021.

Finally, here is the total car list split by decades.

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So again, the domination is from 2010s models. For those wanting the very latest machinery, they're outdone by or equalled by every other decade as far back as the 60s.

If you didn't know any better, you'd probably assume this was a 2017 game which was still getting DLC in 2022.

The 2020s ain't a full decade yet...not even close, so it seems a little odd to compare them to other full decades...I mean, sure you can compare them, but what's the point ?

 

[CeeJay]

I understand why people want more newer race cars but I'm an old school GT fan and the reason I was first drawn to GT1 was the ability to race every day road cars. I so wish PD would add more road cars to the game. Fingers crossed for a track addition! The Glen was such a great addition last time!

 

[Samus]

The 2020s ain't a full decade yet...not even close, so it seems a little odd to compare them to other full decades...I mean, sure you can compare them, but what's the point ?

Obviously, the point is simply that adding more 2020+ cars isn't going to massively upset the balance, even if it is 3 years vs 10. And when you look at single years, there are for example twice as many cars from 1998 compared to 2021.

I understand why people want more newer race cars but I'm an old school GT fan and the reason I was first drawn to GT1 was the ability to race every day road cars. I so wish PD would add more road cars to the game. Fingers crossed for a track addition! The Glen was such a great addition last time!

People want newer road cars just as much as newer race cars. I'd wager just as many, if not more people want the Corvette C8 road car than the C8.R for example.

 

[HarVee]

The 2020s ain't a full decade yet...not even close, so it seems a little odd to compare them to other full decades...I mean, sure you can compare them, but what's the point ?

The point is simply to show how biased toward the 2010 decade GT7 is. As Samus said, for a 2022 game, one would assume the bias would be toward post-2019 cars, and as directly said adding more 2020 decade cars would not upset the balance of the game or anything of the sort. There is actually high demand for new cars, a demand which PD are not capitalizing on. Most other racing games on the market tend to put priority toward the newest cars first and older models second. But somehow PD with GT7 are unlike the others. There was/is an entire thread asking about why GT series as a whole tend to feature an out-dated car list.

 

[05XR8]

The 2020s ain't a full decade yet...not even close, so it seems a little odd to compare them to other full decades...I mean, sure you can compare them, but what's the point ?

I understand why people want more newer race cars but I'm an old school GT fan and the reason I was first drawn to GT1 was the ability to race every day road cars. I so wish PD would add more road cars to the game. Fingers crossed for a track addition! The Glen was such a great addition last time!

Right. Exactly. Thing is, when we that played the first games, those cars were pretty new. Yes, we had the used cars, but the cars were up to date from ’96, ‘97.

Then, we started getting older, vintage cars in GT2. The history of the automobile was being opened up to people. The real nostalgia is GT1. It had up to date cars for its time. I guess Kaz is trying to balance that out, but we still should have newer cars from say 2020-2023.

The flipside is, many don’t want to see older cars discarded. Which, is what GT Sport did, initially. No car was older than the ‘09 Lotus Evora(which wasn’t packaged with the game). People complained not just about the new format, but the past cars we used from every game before.

We‘re in GT7. Of course we should have many new up to date cars. That’s how GT started. I want my classic, vintage cars and cars from 10 years ago. However, we should be having many new cars from this decade. Exotic and plain Jane cars alike.

 

[Samus]

Right. Exactly. Thing is, when we that played the first games, those cars were pretty new. Yes, we had the used cars, but the cars were up to date from ’96, ‘97.

Then, we started getting older, vintage cars in GT2. The history of the automobile was being opened up to people. The real nostalgia is GT1. It had up to date cars for its time. I guess Kaz is trying to balance that out, but we still should have newer cars from say 2020-2023.

The flipside is, many don’t want to see older cars discarded. Which, is what GT Sport did, initially. No car was older than the ‘09 Lotus Evora(which wasn’t packaged with the game). People complained not just about the new format, but the past cars we used from every game before.

We‘re in GT7. Of course we should have many new up to date cars. That’s how GT started. I want my classic, vintage cars and cars from 10 years ago. However, we should be having many new cars from this decade. Exotic and plain Jane cars alike.

Exactly. There are of course many factions of car culture. Some people are not interested in any cars if they were built post-war. Some people exclusively like supercars. Some people really like Japanese cars. Some people are really into one specific model of Toyota from 1997. You get the point, car culture is huge and full of variety. Everyone has their preferences, we all know this.

But it cannot be denied that {current_year} is always going to be hugely popular. People watching car shows on TV and online, reading car sites, even watching movies, are always getting exposed to the latest car models. When you watch live motorsport, you're seeing the latest models.

Just like any aspect of culture really, people want the current, they like new and shiny. For example people want F1 2022 to drive the latest F1 cars, a game based on the F1 2018 season released this year probably isn't going to do as well.

 

[ExoticMachines]

Hopefully never... We have too many in the game already. Hopefully they add things like the 812 Superfast, the F355, among others. Cars that... you know, actually exist and are usable?

This game wouldn't be Gran Turismo game without the VGT cars. No VGT cars mean no Gran Turismo for me. 👍

I bought this game for photography and Scapes videos. No racing for me.

I find all VGT cars to look fascinating, artistic, and modernistic in design. 👍

 

[05XR8]

What I feel is crazy about this game, we got no fanfare about the 2023 Z. A model that many enthusiasts were wanting to sample. Not one word about the car until digging through the trailer. People analysed that tv ad, with the Z driving around a circuit that looked like it was in Gran Turismo. Yet, still nothing about this iconic lettered(and named) car in motoring history.

I can understand surprises. PD do those well. However, even the cover Porsche VGT got a grand unveiling before game release.
Not to mention all the new(back then) cars we saw in GT Sport brand museums and we’re just now getting them(looking at you Suzuki Swift Sport ‘17).

 

[MatskiMonk]

I like the update cars.

...Shrug Emoji...

 

[br1x]

Still don't get what happened. PD were outputting around 90 cars per year since GT5 days. Since then detail levels have increased but so have staff members and outsourcing, plus the increased speed from getting CAD files for real modern cars.

If this rate continues all year they'll have dropped to 36 a year, less than half.

Either they stopped outsourcing, they're holding back a large number of cars for..... reasons or something has gone badly wrong.

There is no way the additional time on extra trim parts/widebody etc has more than doubled production time. Not a chance.

The only reason I can imagine is they are planning for some kind of Spec 2.0 update with 30-40 cars and a few tracks and features at once after the game got bombed on Metacritic and generally got a lot of negative press after launch to pretend a "fresh start" for the game to lose the connection to that negativity. If that isn't the reason, I have absolutely no clue.

Also some people are missing the point why people complain about only 3 cars per update: The 3 cars for free every month isn't the problem per se, the problem is how little (new) content the game shipped with to begin with, so little that 3 cars per month simply is not enough.

 

[Nathan88]

One area I do hope PD model correctly is turbo lag. Some didn’t enjoy that with the Escudo. But for a track focused car it’s something you can drive around and anticipate. Adds much more immersion to a classic turbo car.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Still convinced that it's a 918?

 

[Grimm6Jack]

This game wouldn't be Gran Turismo game without the VGT cars. No VGT cars mean no Gran Turismo for me. 👍

I bought this game for photography and Scapes videos. No racing for me.

I find all VGT cars to look fascinating, artistic, and modernistic in design. 👍

Make a poll... anywhere, even on this site which seems to be full of VGT lovers (compared to anywhere else), and you would still get the major results against them over real-life cars.

Gran Turismo without VGTs is very much Gran Turismo regardless, again, it would be even better. One of the many aspects people loved about this game when it was on the market was the quantity of real life cars you could choose to drive, cars that people always wanted to drive and fan over and that thanks to Gran Turismo they got to get a taste of them.
Gran Turismo 2 was a ridiculously huge success thanks to this.

VGTs look artistic and modernistic because they are cars visualized from the future... It's in the name itself. However, they are cars with no soul and history in the automotive world. And some of them have literally no practicality or are even possible within reason to exist, so basically, just fantasy ideas that should never exist in a game that wants to simulate "realism".

As I said before, a looooot of the playerbase want PD to focus more on real life cars, cars that people own and drive, cars that they see on their everyday life and on TV racing...

You go to Brand Central, and you have ONE Jaguar that exists and the rest are fictional VGTs or racing duplicates.
You do the same with Hyundai and you also have one measly road going car that exists.
Maserati, same...
Bugatti, same...
Infiniti... you have one VGT and nothing else...

This isn't about you or a tiny minority that have some wild preferences, this is about the fanbase in general. The lack of real life cars, and especially current generation cars (2020+) for a game that was released in 2022, after 9 years of its former main title, is terribly disappointing.

There's always people who are fine with how things are, this applies to anything in life really... Doesn't mean things are actually fine.

 

[regnar]

The one thing that used to make GT stand out from other like games was the likelihood that the car that's in your driveway would be in the game, these days not so much.

 

[Chevy Heavy]

Also need the ability to add more than one category if the host wishes. For instance, if running at Nür, Spa, Daytona 24, or Laguna one should be able to select Gr. 1 and Gr. 3 cars to be on track or Grs. 1, 2, and 3 if you wish. Why isn't this possible? Seems so simple to implement from a layman's viewpoint.

This is already possible. Just don't select a category when setting up the race. I just ran an endurance race with friends at Watkins Glen using both Gr1 and Gr3 cars.

 

[VinylRichie]

Make a poll... anywhere, even on this site which seems to be full of VGT lovers (compared to anywhere else), and you would still get the major results against them over real-life cars.

Gran Turismo without VGTs is very much Gran Turismo regardless, again, it would be even better. One of the many aspects people loved about this game when it was on the market was the quantity of real life cars you could choose to drive, cars that people always wanted to drive and fan over and that thanks to Gran Turismo they got to get a taste of them.
Gran Turismo 2 was a ridiculously huge success thanks to this.

VGTs look artistic and modernistic because they are cars visualized from the future... It's in the name itself. However, they are cars with no soul and history in the automotive world. And some of them have literally no practicality or are even possible within reason to exist, so basically, just fantasy ideas that should never exist in a game that wants to simulate "realism".

As I said before, a looooot of the playerbase want PD to focus more on real life cars, cars that people own and drive, cars that they see on their everyday life and on TV racing...

You go to Brand Central, and you have ONE Jaguar that exists and the rest are fictional VGTs or racing duplicates.
You do the same with Hyundai and you also have one measly road going car that exists.
Maserati, same...
Bugatti, same...
Infiniti... you have one VGT and nothing else...

This isn't about you or a tiny minority that have some wild preferences, this is about the fanbase in general. The lack of real life cars, and especially current generation cars (2020+) for a game that was released in 2022, after 9 years of its former main title, is terribly disappointing.

There's always people who are fine with how things are, this applies to anything in life really... Doesn't mean things are actually fine.

Man just stop it, VGT Cars are in the game and it’s a passion of Kaz (the director and founder of this franchise) which is hurting nobody.
Everything doesn’t have to be enjoyed by the majority to have a right to exist.

 

[GBalao888]

View attachment 1176234Still convinced that it's a 918?

The silhouette doesn't have the same roof pattern as the Rimac Nevera.

 

[VinylRichie]

I don’t know about that. Forza games and PC2 have some really nice classics. PD’s relationship seems up In the air for some brands(Lotus, Caterham, Bentley,…).

Im talking about the GT Award at Peeble Beach‘s Concours de Elegance for example where Kaz is a actual Judge, they bring some really special classics to the game and this even sometimes with the actual Chassis-Nr. of the car and all it’s Details like scratch marks, dents etc., detailed to the individual screw (for example the Ferrari 500 Mondial). I would say this is unmatched and also brings some very rare and unknown cars to the game.

 

[VinylRichie]

No, I didn't. I meant what I said and nothing more. You're just making up your own other side of the discussion. I even said the 918 was a welcome addition.

Lots of people want to drive the latest cars.
GT7 isn't adding many of the latest cars.

Two simple factual statements that don't negate any other statements, like your statement that lots of people want to drive classic cars. Yup. They do. No doubt.

Only three cars a month was also a key part of my point. You can't build up a good collection of any era car at that rate.

You are right, sorry! Didn’t read that „as well“ part.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

A new game should have new cars. The entirety of their esports is gt3 and gt4 and they are all a generation out of date or doesn’t exist at all aside from one Subaru.