Gran Turismo 7 Update Coming July 28

[05XR8]

Im talking about the GT Award at Peeble Beach‘s Concours de Elegance for example where Kaz is a actual Judge, they bring some really special classics to the game and this even sometimes with the actual Chassis-Nr. of the car and all it’s Details like scratch marks, dents etc., detailed to the individual screw (for example the Ferrari 500 Mondial). I would say this is unmatched and also brings some very rare and unknown cars to the game.

I’d say that used to be the case. We were exposed to the Espace F1, Venturi, Ginetta, Tommy Kaira, etc. Many of us enthusiasts knew of these cars through magazines(not including those that saw these cars up close).
With these Pebble Bech cars,sure, PD get dug into the details. However, by the time we see these cars in GT, several other games already have those classics that palyers may never have seen before.

I know the game is four months in. Thing is, look how long it took to bring these cars to any GT game. Meanwhile, I’m driving a Group C Nissan GTP ZX-Turbo(literally, I have the game on pause). Next, I’ll hop in a Vintage Indy Agajanian Watson Roadster from 1963 or 1965 Lotus Type 40 Ford, 1963 Lotus Type 25 Climax. I can even drive a 1970 Ferrari 512 S, right now. Plus, the 512 M, 1957 250 Testa Rosa,1996 333 SP, Porsche 917 LH and 917 K(which we finally got). I’ve tried The 2015 918 Spyder Weissach in PC2, before GTSport came out. The 1952 W194, ‘71 908/03 Spyder, ‘98 911 GT1, ‘72 917/10 CAN-Am, That was four…wait, five years ago.

So, sure, Kaz/PD can shake hands and kiss babies with the best of them, but it’s not really a benefit, when we’re waiting so long between drinks. Not disagreeing there are differences in quality with those minute details, but other developers can bring some of those rare classics to the masses as well.


Edit: Dang. Forgot to add. I’m thinking, with its power and weight, the R30 will slot between the ‘08 & ‘99 GT500 cars. If it doesn’t, I’ll be surprised. Hough Im not sure how great the downforce of the R30 is, compared to the ‘99 car.

 

[Imari]

Man just stop it, VGT Cars are in the game and it’s a passion of Kaz (the director and founder of this franchise) which is hurting nobody.
Everything doesn’t have to be enjoyed by the majority to have a right to exist.

Nah, I think there's a solid argument to be made that VGTs are detrimental to the game as a whole in their current incarnation. It was an interesting idea when it was "what would the GT cars of the future look like?", but when it turned into a willy-waving contest to make the most ridiculous physically impossible cars between the manufacturers it went off the rails.

Now it gets used as a way to fill the game with what are functionally fantasy cars, which is really a very long way from the commitment to realism and real machinery that Gran Turismo became famous for. There was always a few concepts and such, but the amount of imaginary cars in GT7 is just wildly out of proportion. People can enjoy that if they want and none of us are going to be able to stop Kaz from putting whatever bollocks he likes in his game, but I think it's absolutely fair to be critical of the VGT program and how it continues to be used and/or abused.

50-ish fantasy cars in a 450-ish car game is a lot. It's reasonable to think about how different the game would be if those were real cars, like past main-line GTs. It wouldn't surprise me if Forza Horizon has a lower proportion of fantasy cars in the game, and they have Hot Wheels.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

That stupid tomahawk’s existence has caused so many issues alone. It literally broke FFB for 2 weeks and all the nonsense with the money grinding they had to spend time patching out.

 

[Spongeinside]

New content is always welcome, unfortunately for me, the 3 teased cars this time don’t interest me much. I’m curious to see if they’ll add a new track/layout, although I have a feeling they won’t, hopefully I’m wrong though. It would be nice if PD finally delivered on some of the promises they made, but I’m not holding my breath… we all know the “soontm” claim PD likes to throw around………

 

[brockie]

I hope they bring in the ability to sell cars soon, I need 20m for the remaining 2 legendary cars

 

[VinylRichie]

Nah, I think there's a solid argument to be made that VGTs are detrimental to the game as a whole in their current incarnation. It was an interesting idea when it was "what would the GT cars of the future look like?", but when it turned into a willy-waving contest to make the most ridiculous physically impossible cars between the manufacturers it went off the rails.

Now it gets used as a way to fill the game with what are functionally fantasy cars, which is really a very long way from the commitment to realism and real machinery that Gran Turismo became famous for. There was always a few concepts and such, but the amount of imaginary cars in GT7 is just wildly out of proportion. People can enjoy that if they want and none of us are going to be able to stop Kaz from putting whatever bollocks he likes in his game, but I think it's absolutely fair to be critical of the VGT program and how it continues to be used and/or abused.

50-ish fantasy cars in a 450-ish car game is a lot. It's reasonable to think about how different the game would be if those were real cars, like past main-line GTs. It wouldn't surprise me if Forza Horizon has a lower proportion of fantasy cars in the game, and they have Hot Wheels.

Sure it’s fair criticize it, critic is very important, but to say these cars „shouldn’t exist in this game“ is just arrogant and to be honest a little bit fanatic.
The creator of this game shapes the direction this franchise is heading and decides which content „should“ exist in his game, the same way he did when he shaped the direction of his first game in this franchise, GT1.

Having some „out of the norm“ cars is even part of the franchise like the JayLeno Tank Car, the Moon Rover, the RedBull Cars, Benz Patentwagen, some fictional race Versions of real world Cars etc.. Some exist in real life, some not, so shouldn’t some of them exist in these games? Kaz just took it a step further with the VGT program, actually creating cars with the brands themselves, actually being part of the automotive history now. Maybe this was his dream for a long time and then he made it come true, the same as he did with his dream of a racing game like GT1. So is there any rule book that says which dreams he should make come true and which not? (It’s a rhetorical question)

Again, criticism is good and is needed, but this „it shouldn’t exist“-stuff is beyond criticism, it’s the mentality I see a lot these days. Like if fans were some kind of investors by buying these games and also behaving like them, as if they should decide in which creative direction a franchise should go because they don’t like this or that.
There’s a big difference between „I wish they would do that“ and „they should“.

 

[Nagaremono]

The only reason I can imagine is they are planning for some kind of Spec 2.0 update with 30-40 cars and a few tracks and features at once after the game got bombed on Metacritic and generally got a lot of negative press after launch to pretend a "fresh start" for the game to lose the connection to that negativity. If that isn't the reason, I have absolutely no clue.

Also some people are missing the point why people complain about only 3 cars per update: The 3 cars for free every month isn't the problem per se, the problem is how little (new) content the game shipped with to begin with, so little that 3 cars per month simply is not enough.

I really, really hope this is right (and that they’re planning it for the Christmas hols at the latest - Christmas 2022, that is!)

It’s the only way to save the game really. As you say, three cars a month, a few races, and the odd track now and again just isn’t enough. It’s pitiful.

 

[F30clubman]

Here are the updated graphs on car spread by year. The list remains heavily slanted towards the late 2010s for the most part.

Firstly the simple overall list:

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As you can see, the list is dominated by 2017 cars because it's dominated by the huge amount of fictional cars added in GTS without a year, so I attributed them to the year of their arrival. Gr.3, Gr.3 Road, Gr.4, Gr.B and some VGTs. Beyond that you can see the list is slanted towards late 2000s, and there isn't any more 2018-2023 cars than really any other era.

However, if you filter the car list to ONLY production road cars (229 cars), you get this:
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There are more cars from most years of the 90s compared to 2021 and 2022.

Finally, for ONLY real race cars (74 cars), you get this:
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Other than the outlier of 2016, there is no real sign of recency bias. For a game released in 2022, you'd expect the outlier to be 2020 or 2021.

Finally, here is the total car list split by decades.

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So again, the domination is from 2010s models. For those wanting the very latest machinery, they're outdone by or equalled by every other decade as far back as the 60s.

If you didn't know any better, you'd probably assume this was a 2017 game which was still getting DLC in 2022.

Yes, but most of the latest machinery is boring fast, not drivable without TCS (as in real life). Maybe good to win races, but further what's the point driving those perfect cars, often hybrid?

I'm looking forward to the Maserati. It will probably on par with the '53 Aston and Type D Jaguar. The Aston drives like a kart, the Jaguar had a great chassis and high top speed. I'd expect the Maserati to have a challenging handling, a peaky power curve and a great engine sound.

Also looking forward to the Skyline Silhouette which I expect to have a lot of turbo power, but with a challenging turbo lag.

The Porsche 918 wil probably be too good and easy, but still looking forward to find out.

 

[Nagaremono]

There’s a big difference between „I wish they would do that“ and „they should“.

Nah. There ain’t.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

50-ish fantasy cars in a 450-ish car game is a lot. It's reasonable to think about how different the game would be if those were real cars, like past main-line GTs. It wouldn't surprise me if Forza Horizon has a lower proportion of fantasy cars in the game, and they have Hot Wheels.

It's not just the numbers alone, and the fact some of them are outright fantasies that will never bear fruit (2X and Tomahawk X especially), it's how they are also duplicates of themselves just to raise the car count.

And most of the cars, the actual cars, not the LM racers like the Chaparral, Mazda, McLaren and Hyundai, just basically look the same... Wide/Long with 20+ inch wheels, very thin/slim headlights and a very low/small cockpit pretty much, and the lot of them looking like they have low-polygon counts. Barely any had that much thought put into them. And others just look like current cars with bodykits like the VWs, the Nissan, the Mini, the BMW, the Honda...

And then there's their prices of 1 million each. With about 50 of them, that's 50 million extra people will have to dish out to get that shiny complete 100% car collection. In a game where credits are hard to come by.

Thanfully the game had glitches that allowed me and a lot of others to get with ease, but I can't wait for the ability to sell cars to come soon so I can get rid of almost all of them.


Some of the VGTs did have some thought and creativity, BELIEVABLE creativity, put into them, and some of them even were the source of the cars that are being sold right now like the TF1 basically being the Supra concept and the Bugatti VGT being the Chiron racer concept.
The Lambo VGT, the Porsche VGT, the Suzuki VGT also cars with some unique brand design features and concepts. The "vision" racers like the McLaren, Mazda and Hyundai are also interesting. Just could do away with having duplicates of them in the form of Gr.1 because we already have enough Gr.1 cars in the game and its looking like the list will continue to grow.
Heck, the Tomahawk S also has a pretty decent and solid design for a vision supercar and its specs are also pretty believable... The other variants however are just wet dream duplicates.

2500hp from a 7 liter 15k RPM NA V10 (yeah, reliability would definitely not be an issue), while at the same time only weighting 749kg, basically, less than a current Hybrid Era F1 car despite having far larger surface area, basically a supercar after all, having all those mechanical flaps that have to be strong enough to withstand wind pressure at 500/600kph while cornering/braking and that has 20 or 21 inch wheels, not to mention the engine itself, a 7 liter V10 which is definitely going to be heavy. Yeah... right...

 

[Nagaremono]

I can't wait for the ability to sell cars to come soon so I can get rid of almost all of them.

The other day I looked through my garage (c 400 cars now) and worked out that if freely allowed to sell I’d only have about 80-100 left. That’s how much clutter I’m being forced to keep.

I’ve still got a horrible feeling that when (if?) selling appears we’re going to be forced to keep one of every car we’ve got. Which will be the final straw for me.

 

[Ande3200]

I prefer most cars older than 2020 i would say most around 2005-2015 era is what i want, there is not much for 2020 and up i care for, i hope most of the cars they add is road cars witch seems to be the case

 

[Ryan81]

Yeah VGTs are a total waste of resources IMO.

They could have spent more time doing far more worthwhile models of real world cars than this fantasy BS.

 

[Batschisane52]

Exactly. There are of course many factions of car culture. Some people are not interested in any cars if they were built post-war. Some people exclusively like supercars. Some people really like Japanese cars. Some people are really into one specific model of Toyota from 1997. You get the point, car culture is huge and full of variety. Everyone has their preferences, we all know this.

But it cannot be denied that {current_year} is always going to be hugely popular. People watching car shows on TV and online, reading car sites, even watching movies, are always getting exposed to the latest car models. When you watch live motorsport, you're seeing the latest models.

Just like any aspect of culture really, people want the current, they like new and shiny. For example people want F1 2022 to drive the latest F1 cars, a game based on the F1 2018 season released this year probably isn't going to do as well.

Why do you always hide behind "people" when you are just speaking for yourself here...
"people want this", "people want that" bla bla bla...

In your first paragraph you even get it right for once(different people want different things!),but then in the next two you do the same as in so many of your postings:you hide your own agenda, you own views and wishes and your own opinions behind imaginary "people" who all seem to want the same thing YOU want to have...

Be a man about it and tell us what YOU want and don't missuse other "people" for your crusade(that is posting hundreds of posts about a game you don't even own or play...)

 

[Michael88]

The Silhouette Skyline! The first update car I am actually interested in! I remember back in Gran Turismo 2 it was a beast, and in Project Cars it was a lot of fun as well (though it had insane turbo lag)

 

[Batschisane52]

The Silhouette Skyline! The first update car I am actually interested in! I remember back in Gran Turismo 2 it was a beast, and in Project Cars it was a lot of fun as well (though it had insane turbo lag)

It wouldn't be real without that turbo lag...

 

[bigredman43]

Anything is better than nothing but more events are badly needed

YES! At least give me a gr1,2,3 and 4 race at each track. Monza and a few others literally only have one race and that’s ridiculous. I have had the game and played every day since launch and I’m struggling to stay interested

 

[VinylRichie]

Nah. There ain’t.

In the context I wrote it, yes there is, it’s about the attitude.

Yes, but most of the latest machinery is boring fast, not drivable without TCS (as in real life). Maybe good to win races, but further what's the point driving those perfect cars, often hybrid?

I'm looking forward to the Maserati. It will probably on par with the '53 Aston and Type D Jaguar. The Aston drives like a kart, the Jaguar had a great chassis and high top speed. I'd expect the Maserati to have a challenging handling, a peaky power curve and a great engine sound.

Also looking forward to the Skyline Silhouette which I expect to have a lot of turbo power, but with a challenging turbo lag.

The Porsche 918 wil probably be too good and easy, but still looking forward to find out.

Exactly👍

 

[Famine]

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Still convinced that it's a 918?

Yup.

 

[Nagaremono]

Why do you always hide behind "people" when you are just speaking for yourself here...
"people want this", "people want that" bla bla bla...

...

Be a man about it and tell us what YOU want and don't missuse other "people" for your crusade(that is posting hundreds of posts about a game you don't even own or play...)

He’s generalising, quite a common thing to do for users of the English language. He’s certainly speaking for me and, I’m sure many, many others, all of them ‘people’ I guess, unless somebody’s trained their dog to play.
Maybe German’s different, I wouldn’t know or care, but I do know one of the drawbacks of speaking the global language is you have to listen to a lot of bad takes from non-speakers trying to lecture us on how we’re doing it wrong (they think). Very often Germanic too. I wonder why? Pity for you that Austrian guy’s plans got thwarted back in the 40’s; we might all be speaking German by now. Then we could’ve been telling you how you’re speaking your own language wrongly...

In the context I wrote it, yes there is, it’s about the attitude.

You wanna try and police ‘attitude’ on a web forum? Admirable. Good luck with that. 😂

 

[Nuschel01]

Pity for you that Austrian guy’s plans got thwarted back in the 40’s; we might all be speaking German by now.

Only that that has nothing to do with each other

Also kinda questionable statement that it's "a pity his plans got thwarted"

 

[MatskiMonk]

That’s how much clutter I’m being forced to keep.

... Which will be the final straw for me.

Do you need the number for the Samaritans?

 

[Nagaremono]

Also kinda questionable statement that it's "a pity his plans got thwarted"

Are you trying to prove me right, or what?

 

[Michael88]

It wouldn't be real without that turbo lag...

It was a little excessive though.

 

[B80]

Can;t see this exchange lasting much longer

 

[Mudda Chod]

I'm loving the passion in this thread

 

[Batschisane52]

He’s generalising, quite a common thing to do for users of the English language. He’s certainly speaking for me and, I’m sure many, many others, all of them ‘people’ I guess, unless somebody’s trained their dog to play.
Maybe German’s different, I wouldn’t know or care, but I do know one of the drawbacks of speaking the global language is you have to listen to a lot of bad takes from non-speakers trying to lecture us on how we’re doing it wrong (they think). Very often Germanic too. I wonder why? Pity for you that Austrian guy’s plans got thwarted back in the 40’s; we might all be speaking German by now. Then we could’ve been telling you how you’re speaking your own language wrongly...

No. It's the same in german language, persons who are insecure about their believes and opinions and bad politicians hide behind phrases like "people like this" and "people like that" when they only tell us, what they personally want, to give their statements more weight...Using Phrases like that to express a personal opinion is bad style of discussion-in any given language!(by the way, I have been living in the US for 4 years, so don't give me lessons on english...btw "gereralising" is not a thing that has been invented by english speaking people)

And nobody has given Samus the mandate to talk for them in that forum, so he shouldn't take "people" hostage just to voice his own personal views her(wich all are second hand anyway, because he doesn't even own and play the game he posts so much about anyway)

If you agree with his viewpoints, that's totally ok and you can hit the like button after his post to show your appreciation, but you aren't "people" either..-

And finallylease keep your nazi phantasies out of this forum, this forum is no place for that...and it's no pity for me, since I've been strictly antifascist for all that 52 years that I am alive...

 

[Mudda Chod]

No. It's the same in german language, persons who are insecure about their believes and opinions and bad politicians hide behind phrases like "people like this" and "people like that" when they only tell us, what they personally want, to give their statements more weight...Using Phrases like that to express a personal opinion is bad style of discussion-in any given language!(by the way, I have been living in the US for 4 years, so don't give me lessons on english...btw "gereralising" is not a thing that has been invented by english speaking people)

And nobody has given Samus the mandate to talk for them in that forum, so he shouldn't take "people" hostage just to voice his own personal views her(wich all are second hand anyway, because he doesn't even own and play the game he posts so much about anyway)

If you agree with his viewpoints, that's totally ok and you can hit the like button after his post to show your appreciation, but you aren't "people" either..-

And finallylease keep your nazi phantasies out of this forum, this forum is no place for that...and it's no pity for me, since I've been strictly antifascist for all that 52 years that I am alive...

Guys you are way off topic... At least say something about the update, if you want your post to stay...

 

[NikNakTobasco]

I've been strictly antifascist for all that 52 years that I am alive...

That’s a bold stance. Glad you cleared that up.

 

[Dave A]

Yes, but most of the latest machinery is boring fast, not drivable without TCS (as in real life). Maybe good to win races, but further what's the point driving those perfect cars, often hybrid?

A few points on this, most of the latest machinery is not that fast, I assume you're referring specifically to hypercars and thier ilk, and yes some of those are ferociousely fast. But people were saying the same thing about the Vayron and supercars 10-15 year ago, which are not as fast as the supercars today are. It's just progress.

But also, including modern cars does not equal, include only modern hypercars. There's are loads of more every day cars and sportscars I'd love to see in the game along with supercars and hypercars modern and old.

Why do you always hide behind "people" when you are just speaking for yourself here...
"people want this", "people want that" bla bla bla...

In your first paragraph you even get it right for once(different people want different things!),but then in the next two you do the same as in so many of your postings:you hide your own agenda, you own views and wishes and your own opinions behind imaginary "people" who all seem to want the same thing YOU want to have...

Be a man about it and tell us what YOU want and don't missuse other "people" for your crusade(that is posting hundreds of posts about a game you don't even own or play...)

Attack the point not the person. Is he wrong? If so, explain why his point is wrong.