Gran Turismo 7's Next Update Arrives April 25

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Silhouette! confirmed Bugatti Chiron engine swap for Reliant Robin incoming Monday... may cause grinding?
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Imari
That's a pretty roundabout method to do something that should be a basic feature.

Yes. Have you not been paying attention?

As did Cyberpunk 2077. What's your point? That spending lots of money on marketing works at generating sales regardless of the quality of the game? We know. It's why EA/Activision/etc are such a joke, because they get big sales numbers through marketing despite their games being pretty bad.
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And you been paying attention?
 
jgtc_lover
Unrelated but I wonder why GT7 was still selling well even before those issues were addressed, and is still selling well despite the noise still coming from the echo chambers.

re-quotes relevant sales numbers from multiple sources

Oh, the game was still selling well, and posting #1 on multiple charts "despite controversy".

Huh. Weird.
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Perhaps you dont understand how marketing and hype works? Youtubers were giving GT7 9/10 after an hour of playing it where you really dont get to play much of it. Do you think GT7 would have worn as many copies if it visually looked like GT6? Your average gamer is dazzled by eye candy and it's the first thing that draws the ( its the same with hot popstars being successful despite being utter crap ). Its always been that way. That doesnt mean they're not going to be disappointed. People got hyped when they saw drag racing, which isn't really a feature and many were sold on that too. People usually find these things after they've bought the game.

A couple of my mates were hyping this game to me and I said come back to me in a couple weeks then you have to make GT7 your second job to get any of the cars you really want. Now they dont stop complaining when we're online, so many little things that all add up for an annoying user experience and that's before you're in a lobby and decide to change tracks and then think ahh domt want to lose the players in the lobby so let's just keep racing tgusxsame track.

Player retention is what really needs to be looked at and more people are playing GTSport on my friends list. 90% of the buyers wont be playing GT7 In a month. Sure I made that number up but I know it will be pretty damn close to that number. That happens with the majority of games.
 
jgtc_lover
Yeah, people seem to forget that just because they're disappointed in the game and they can think of a million different reasons why GT7 sucks and PD and Sony are evil, that economics exist outside of the way they feel about a video game.

They also don't seem to realize that GT has traditionally been a game that is supposed to appeal to a broad audience and that that market is where the game is going to make the most money, that market is what the game primarily designed for.
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You do realise that broad audience you mention are the casual players, who only pick up a game like this for a week or two at the most then move on? So how have PD designed this game towards those people when they don't even give them enough to do, and make some cars not available for over 2 months at a time? For these people a lot of cars simply won't exist in GT7, they'll never see them for sale, never mind be able to afford them. Then how is drip feeding content over a year or more appealing to these people who will play the game once then never return to it ever again?

No, that isn't who they're trying to design the game for. Those people will pretty much exist no matter what you do. What they're trying to do is design a game that keeps the people with a bit more interest playing it for months or years on end, keep them coming back and in turn, hope they keep buying your MTs. That's who you appeal to with drip feeding content. Not the casual millions.
 
I don't understand the energy wasted over the Tomahawk glitch or why people who use it to grind are looked at "differently". Calling yourself a "Real" simulator and then wasting time and space installing a bunch of fake cars into said simulator is preposterous!
See also: Hypocritical.
The fact that these fantasy cars are even in the game is enough for me to also accept being able to make credits quickly with a glitch. Fantasy is fantasy!
If people are upset that casual players use this car to grind then they should be equally upset that the car is even in the game! Either it's a "real simulator" or a game. And again, if it's just a game then exploits like the Tomahawk on Tokyo hurt no one.
If they're going to end this glitch and it's ability to earn big credits quickly then they should do away with ALL the VGT cars. Replace them with real world cars. Some of you have mentioned a bunch.
 
StarRacer
I don't understand the energy wasted over the Tomahawk glitch or why people who use it to grind are looked at "differently". Calling yourself a "Real" simulator and then wasting time and space installing a bunch of fake cars into said simulator is preposterous!
See also: Hypocritical.
The fact that these fantasy cars are even in the game is enough for me to also accept being able to make credits quickly with a glitch. Fantasy is fantasy!
If people are upset that casual players use this car to grind then they should be equally upset that the car is even in the game! Either it's a "real simulator" or a game. And again, if it's just a game then exploits like the Tomahawk on Tokyo hurt no one.
If they're going to end this glitch and it's ability to earn big credits quickly then they should do away with ALL the VGT cars. Replace them with real world cars. Some of you have mentioned a bunch.
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The problem isn't the Tomahawk itself though. It's simply a symptom of the problem, which is that you can "break" the PP system with extreme vehicle settings that make the AI simulation used to calculate PP artificially slow.

It works so well with the Tomahawk because you can make it undriveable in lower gears, and the AI will simply not change gear... but with 2,500hp, KERS to compensate for low-rev bogging, and an entirely functional 4th gear, a human can manually change up and the car is barely any slower than stock.

However it also works with other cars too, allowing players who know how to beat the PP system to enter highly unsuitable cars in races against players who don't - why do you think the Daily Races have all been BOP for the last few weeks and not PP-based like the first couple?

It's not about fixing the Tomahawk so that players can't earn fast money, but about fixing the issue with extreme settings and PP so that players can't cheat other players.
 
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Ande3200
I almost have doubts we will see any new cars, would not kaz do the silhouttes of that was the case, it would be weird if this update is just q fix and they are another one to add cars later in the week, for me thursday or friday would be better for new content
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He might not do the silhouette piece this time round as the way cars are bought in game are different
 
I hope they Bring in more events, thats the most important factor of any added content in my opinion, i rather have that than new cars or layouts, but a mix of all 3 every month would be nice, road cars over 600-700 pp are useless in any event, Lamborghini unlike Ferrari and Porsche have no events, yes you can race in WTC 700 and 800 but i don’t like racing road cars against race cars, their could easily be 700-800 pp for road cars added in events
 
Sonic939
And you been paying attention?
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What, to you thinking that Polyphony is somehow going to be convinced to alter their very well established online only policy? The one that props up the monetisation scheme that they've designed the whole game economy around?

I mean, not really to be honest, I don't want to lose more brain cells than I have to. I just make fun of people saying silly things. Polyphony doesn't care if your game becomes a paperweight when they turn the servers off, they'll already have your money.

If they actually cared they'd have paid attention to the months of complaining about the idea of always online before launch. And for the entirety of the lifespan of GTS. So have you paid any attention to how Polyphony makes games, or are you just brimming with so much optimism that you think that you're going to be the one to finally convince them to change?
 
Glad to see the PP system being patched, so hopefully no more Tomahawks sneaking into 600PP events where it very much doesn’t belong. Cool for grinding but causes major problems elsewhere.

What PD really needs to add on top of the ability to sell cars is the ability to sell parts you get from the daily spin. When you go to inspect them you have the option to delete them, and instead you should be able to sell those for the MSRP on the card.

Well either way looking at all of these useless parts I don’t care about pisses me off and it’s an eyesore, so getting even a small amount of credits out of deleting them would be nice.
 
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MisterWaffles
Glad to see the PP system being patched, so hopefully no more Tomahawks sneaking into 600PP events where it very much doesn’t belong. Cool for grinding but causes major problems elsewhere.

What PD really needs to add on top of the ability to sell cars is the ability to sell parts you get from the daily spin. When you go to inspect them you have the option to delete them, and instead you should be able to sell those for the MSRP on the card.

Well either way looking at all of these useless parts I don’t care about pisses me off and it’s an eyesore, so getting even a small amount of credits out of deleting them would be nice.
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What problems does it cause?You cant use it online,as far as i know,so just wondering.
 
gigio79
I expected them to eliminate the Dodge Tomahawk X from Tokyo last week, very strange that they decided to wait. Probably instead of the PP the race will require a specific group of cars. No problem guys, we will find other targets to put money in the safe.
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Le Mans PP700 is still best option(if they nerfed Tomahawk) Hope added new races like LeMans and... I want 24h endurance!And otther endurance races like GT 5!
 
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ebadevil
This sounds bad... It really sounds like they are about to lower a bunch of pp requirements and make our higher end cars even more useless than they already are. I have this feeling like we're about to see 1.07: Reloaded


That's very true. The way that the AI cheats in this game with having crazy power/acceleration make tracks without a lot of technical corners very difficult. AI is very clearly cheating on the straightaways, so only way to catch up to them is in the corners where they are really slow. But if you got a track like Tokyo Highway where there aren't many corners for you to catch up, you're kind of screwed. And then you can't even counter that with tuning your car to have more power because more hp = more gas used = having to pit more than the AI = guaranteed loss. The accelerated gas usage in these events basically gets rid of the only way to deal with the cheating AI
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Not trying to to be mean but this race is fairly easy.

Mitsubishi GTO + fuel burn at 3 + 40/60 torque split + no pot stop = win by 30+seconds.

That's just one combo .
 
Before the game launched there was a track shown on the ordonez stream that people thought meant was going to be in the game. Which track was it?
 
Silver Arrows
So you're basically telling those on PS4 (who make up a not insignificant portion of the playing population, and one that Polyphony knowingly catered towards when they shifted public development of the game from PS5 exclusively to cross-gen) that if they want actual AI in the vast majority of the races, they should pony up the price to upgrade to a PS5? When they could have easily made an actual AI that doesn't rely on the chase the rabbit formula if they hired a few AI programmers?
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It will stay on the PS4 as well gran trisomo 8 because you can’t get the PlayStation 5 anywhere
 
Bojador
Before the game launched there was a track shown on the ordonez stream that people thought meant was going to be in the game. Which track was it?
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Albert Park in Australia, though it was confirmed the company that created the interior design of the studio just picked a random track. Or so Ordonez said.
 
Matt atkins
Iam happy with the game
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You are one person, not the two million people it would require for this to be anything close to a valid response.

If you were two million people, you'd think at least one of you should be able to spell "Turismo" correctly when it's in the thread title and twice in the floating menu bar at the top of the screen.
 
Matt atkins
Iam happy with the game
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I'm not sure how I can defeat such logic.

Bear with for a moment I think I've got something, I'm not happy with it, so does that mean the vast majority of people are not happy with the game?

There you go, figured it out.
 
Imari
What, to you thinking that Polyphony is somehow going to be convinced to alter their very well established online only policy? The one that props up the monetisation scheme that they've designed the whole game economy around?

I mean, not really to be honest, I don't want to lose more brain cells than I have to. I just make fun of people saying silly things. Polyphony doesn't care if your game becomes a paperweight when they turn the servers off, they'll already have your money.

If they actually cared they'd have paid attention to the months of complaining about the idea of always online before launch. And for the entirety of the lifespan of GTS. So have you paid any attention to how Polyphony makes games, or are you just brimming with so much optimism that you think that you're going to be the one to finally convince them to change?
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Well established? Does it really seem well established to you that you have to depend on being connected to the Internet, even for solo modes, and that if the game servers go down, that day you can't even run a few races or do practically ANYTHING? what happened that day that they fell for more than 30 hours?

A, that you have neurons left, because by defending the indefensible you show that you DO NOT HAVE, you even accept it, my mother

And of course I care, that's why I criticize it, not like you who are nothing more than a bunch of FANBOYS, since you don't care if you have a paperweight, at least I haven't spent the money on that game, apart from the fact that I know that He said it a long time ago, that's why I complain as I was saying

And if you make fun of people who say nonsense, why don't you make fun of yourself / other people who defend these policies?
 
It's official @Imari, you're a fanboy. I must have imagined the constructive criticism you've readily presented to date.

On a serious note, @Sonic939 you're clearly not getting the point you're arguing against. But regardless, reverting to name calling isn't the way to go. Defeat the argument not the person, and try to understand the argument you're trying to beat first.
 

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