Gran Turismo HD officially canned - Next stop is GT5
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- Nigel Fox
20 cars on asphalt? Online play that actually works? I'd pay to get that.
Now we don't know how this is going to work yet. I guess in a way it's good that people are bellyaching, so that Sony realizes they can't just do anything they want with GTHD and expect millions of people to love them for it. But they aren't stupid. They won't structure GTHD so that you have to spend $700 to get everything in GT4 and then some. More than likely, there will be packages of from 25 to 100 cars and 5 or 10 tracks. Grocery stores don't sell bread by the slice, and when Classic is complete, I don't expect to see a HUGE list of 770 cars with little check boxes beside them.
It may end up that GTHD costs around $100 if you buy everything over time. That's a little high, but I could live with that spread out over a year or two. If it's more than that? I'll just be a choosy shopper and get what I want.
I also raised the same point that MaxDC did a page or two back. How will online work with an incomplete car and track list? Suppose people buy some packages and not others, how would online play work for us choosy shoppers? Will there be a master file with all content on the Blu-ray disc or from a Sony server that loads in all the missing content for the race someone hosts? Will the servers be set up like that, so that if someone doesn't have a track, the server feeds it to them? I know that's how many games work, and it's going to have to for something like this. So will this new content be time dependent, and you can play with it for a day or so to entice you to buy it?
I know there are a lot of questions about this new game and things to question, but I'm excited over the prospects.
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Thanks for that link, sinner. I dont think anybody posted that, atleast not in this thread.
BTW, can someone please clear this up for me now? Does GT:HD mean Both Classic and Premium in one pack? Coz That ^^^ Video says GTHD = 2 in One.. Now I know this wouldnt be too interesting for many "repetative" people in this thread, but I am totally excited if both Classic and Premium is in one pack.
the Interceptor
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As I understand it, yes, they both come in one package.
Robin
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You all do realise that all these problems about paying for cars and content will all be sorted when gt5 comes out because it should contain ALL THE CONTENT from the start... you dont have to buy into the classic mode on DGTHD if you dont want to, just get it for the gt5 prologue bit.
Robin
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I've highlighted the relevant bit in this post.
GT4 SHOULD have had damage. It SHOULD have had more than 6 cars on the track at once. It SHOULD have had online mode. These were all things PD/KY said along the way. What it DID have was none of those things - though I can live without any of them.
If enough people buy into this GT5: Prologue car/track-downloading malarky, I'd put very good money on GT5 containing no more than a standard package of cars and tracks (say... a GT3's worth) and additional content being pay-to-download.
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What I would like to know is this:
How much sooner could we be getting GT5 if PD didn't work on HD? Neither one looks that great (although Premium has my vote as it doesn't require shelling out extra money just to play). I would gladly take a sooner release date of GT5 if it meant complete omission of these HD versions.
How much sooner could we be getting GT5 if PD didn't work on HD? Neither one looks that great (although Premium has my vote as it doesn't require shelling out extra money just to play). I would gladly take a sooner release date of GT5 if it meant complete omission of these HD versions.
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- MastrGT
I am looking at the big picture here. Young people don't always realise what implications there are behind wanting something and then coercing hard working parents into getting it for them regardless of the costs involved, and GT has a huge number of young fans. Many parents are going to be caught unawares here, and that's just not right.lol, what got into you. Finacial issues of other people...
Playing a game shouldn't require us to have to go to the bank's loan officer to extend the mortgage on our houses.
When the first word came out about the prices, they were very specific. They had to come from somewhere, so I suspect that there was some real fact behind them. Now, during the show, SONY is saying that the prices are not specified yet. Uh, huh. That sounds like they may back down on the high costs. If SONY stuck to real micro-transactions (micro, as in tiny), not these mega-transactions, we would not care so much because things would be managable, but at the rates suggested so far, this is ludicrous for a temporary, small, incomplete version of a very popular game.
The thing is a precident is being set here and if SONY feels they can get away with it today, what happens to our entertainment bills in the future?
Think about it.
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Being in HD has nothing to do with it. Adding more detail does. HD is only a resolution. I can run Doom1 at 1600x1200 if I want to (doesn't mean it'll look good). What takes time is creating the actual graphics detail. Even when GT5 comes out, you'll still be able to play it on a regular TV (assuming PS3 has composite outputs). Anyway, I wouldn't expect GT5 any time soon. GT4 came out like a year and half ago, at the very least another year and half to go till GT5.
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This is one of my point I made when I first heard about the GTHD rumours of it being released.
GT4 was promised with on-line, but they removed it. Now they have tested an on-line GT4 version, so they have something working. It would take a tiny amount of time and effort to polish it up and release it as a real version compared to making any PS3 version. SONY also plans on selling the PS2 for about another decade and, once ToCA 3 sells out, there will be no racing sim, of any sort, available for this console - forever!
Instead of wasting their time on an interim PS3-only version of GT something-or-other, they should have gotten GT4 On-line out while they were not pressed for time so much, while the PS3 hardware was being finalised. They had the time to do it and we could be playing it today, if they had started on accomplishing this goal after GT4 was released, as they said they would try to do. They did nothing.
Now, and into the future, not one PS2 player will ever be able to properly play GT on-line. This is just plain stupid. Having a PS2 on-line version for sale would be an excellent way to make SONY a reasonable amount of money while PD works on finalising GT5. We could tolerate the wait then, PD would have kept a promise, and SONY would keep some of its credibility with customers and fans. It's a win-win situation.
Now, just to play GT on-line, they are alienating and enraging their customer base over mega-fees for a small, temporary, interim version of one of their top franchises that only a tiny number of players will be able to access for quite some time, until GT5 drops.
Any way you look at this, it is a blunder and it didn't have to happen this way.
Cheers,
MasterGT
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My PS2 is supposed to work with the broadband adaptor, but it won't.
Anyway, I'd still rather get a GTHD game than nothing for 16 months or more. I guess we'll see what form it takes in the coming weeks, but I'm expecting some awesome things. Not just a shiny red car.
Anyway, I'd still rather get a GTHD game than nothing for 16 months or more. I guess we'll see what form it takes in the coming weeks, but I'm expecting some awesome things. Not just a shiny red car.
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You underestimate the determination of some people.
Let's put it like this. NASA is going to have a decent level of protection for it's computer systems from the outside World, yet that didn't stop a hacker getting into their systems now did it
I have to agree with the comment, about why are PD wasting their time making GT HD. Why don't they get on with GT5 instead?
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These microtransactions could be an excellent idea... if done right. The price of 50cents to a dollar per car is ridiculous and horribly expensive.
But say, PD sells the GTHD bundle (both Classic and Premium) for 40-50$, most of that being for Premium since Classic is near empty. Then, PD charges 10-20 cents per car for download. All cars are unlimited. And also sells each track for 50 cents.
As an example, ill use my own desires of about 200 cars and all the tracks (51). Using an average car price of 15 cents, Ive come up with a price figure of 105 dollars and 50 cents (including game price) which is reasonable for an ellaborate next gen console game. To get all the cars, it would cost just over 200 dollars. Of course, more cars and tracks would be added for download over time.
*Ive used Cdn dollars in my example.
Personally, I could imagine this happening and would not be angry if it did.
Also, looking at GTHD Premium, it looks very amazing. Those car models are the most precise ive ever seen for a video game. The video with the Nismo GTR, S2000, Tom's Supra, Ford GT and F-Quattro-Trenta looked damn good. You know, if they tripled the number of cars and raised the number of tracks to 10-15, it would be simmilar to GT1 or GT3. With the full PS3 effect, it could be a great buy.
Edit: I dearly hope PD brings back SSR11 in either of these games, hopefully the Premium one. A 599 on SSR11 would be... *I cant say, its too erotic for this Message board.
But say, PD sells the GTHD bundle (both Classic and Premium) for 40-50$, most of that being for Premium since Classic is near empty. Then, PD charges 10-20 cents per car for download. All cars are unlimited. And also sells each track for 50 cents.
As an example, ill use my own desires of about 200 cars and all the tracks (51). Using an average car price of 15 cents, Ive come up with a price figure of 105 dollars and 50 cents (including game price) which is reasonable for an ellaborate next gen console game. To get all the cars, it would cost just over 200 dollars. Of course, more cars and tracks would be added for download over time.
*Ive used Cdn dollars in my example.
Personally, I could imagine this happening and would not be angry if it did.
Also, looking at GTHD Premium, it looks very amazing. Those car models are the most precise ive ever seen for a video game. The video with the Nismo GTR, S2000, Tom's Supra, Ford GT and F-Quattro-Trenta looked damn good. You know, if they tripled the number of cars and raised the number of tracks to 10-15, it would be simmilar to GT1 or GT3. With the full PS3 effect, it could be a great buy.
Edit: I dearly hope PD brings back SSR11 in either of these games, hopefully the Premium one. A 599 on SSR11 would be... *I cant say, its too erotic for this Message board.
i highly doubt people will need all cars to have an absolutely great time playing GT. in any given iteration of GT i only used maybe five (5) on a regular basis and i still think i've had an optimal gaming experience everytime i play the game.
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I have a 170+ cars, and go through them setting them up in differnt ways. Some for drift some for Grip, with varying p/w ratios. The idea of not giving people the full game is lame i'm sure everyone can agree with that.
On a second note, the idea of paying "Real Dollars" for "Virtual Cars" is not that attractive; A better way to do this would be to havea full GT4 SIm Mode and you buy the cars online with credits you get from racing, so they can limit the # of unique cars there are in the GT Community. Or better yet, You have all the cars ingame, HOwever once you get online you have to Register your vehicle or buy "Online Vehicles" to add to your garage taht are unique to ONLINE racing, and obviously you could still use these in single player.
I know that was an iffy paragraph, but i thikn you get what i'm trying to say. Lastly, making everything "real $$" based ruins the idea of completing* the game for a better experience and now moving to well if you have a couple bucks rather then "a couple mins" you can have a new car.
Just seems it takes the elements away from the game itself, and defaces a nostalgic title known as "GT".
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I'll just not bu this game at all, nor any of the downloaded content and I'll just pay the insurance for my real car instead. I'd rather pay real moeny on the real car than real money being spent on virtual ones. Well that much real money anyway.
This point sums the whole situation up. If GT:HD fails, if no one downloads any additional content we will still get GT5 but it'll be a far bigger initial package than it would probbly be should everyone be a sucker to Sony and pay over the odds for what they already have in GT4. Sony' arn't doing this to get the game out sooner or antything, they're doing this to test the online purchasing structure and how far thety can take it. If we bend over and take it royally then I have no doubt GT5 will be largly based on a similar scheme.
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You underestimate the determination of some people.
Let's put it like this. NASA is going to have a decent level of protection for it's computer systems from the outside World, yet that didn't stop a hacker getting into their systems now did it
I have to agree with the comment, about why are PD wasting their time making GT HD. Why don't they get on with GT5 instead?
I think that GTHD is essential for the development of GT5. The layout and how GT4 is setup really allows for PD to test out everything in a widely varied online setting. The damage models weather features etc etc etc. Wil have all the bugs worked out because it will be in our greedy hands dissecting it many many months before GT5 comes out.
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piracy will be big with consoles having HDD. look at what´s happening with the 360, you don´t even need a modchip to play pirate games. just a hck in the bios system
didn´t they said piracy is killing PC gaming?
yep, if PD goes hard on downloadable stuff, we will have a lot of sites to download those cars. greedy companies = more piracy, kind of like cat and mouse thing.
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