Gran Turismo HD officially canned - Next stop is GT5

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Ok after reading about this issue of having to actually buy the cars, im growing increasingly sceptical as to weather this is really any good for us the fans.

I understand that will still do not have all the answers yet, but never the less i do have some major conserns.

1:Just how much are PD/Sony going to be asking for the high profile cars, like the ferrari's or even Lamborghinis (if there included as well)

2: Will cars be programmed to gradually degrade with use, Forcing the consumer to purchase the same vehicle more than once, ( i certainly dont what to have to fork out cash for the same vehicle more than once)

3: Not every item or car will be available to every person.
Part of the joy of Gran Turismo is that it gives the average guy in the street, the chance to drive/race exotic high performance sportscars, that he simply could never afford IRL. restricted numbers of desirable cars do not benefit the average GT fan, only a select few who are fortunate to gain access, for me that flies straight in the face of one of GT's best aspects.

Now that PD want to as i read earlier in this thread "Kaz talks about how they want to make items in the game as desirable, more like enviable, and that not every item or car will be available to every person. You have to be able to "afford" it. He wants to create that ownership lust that exists in the offline world"

This sounds terrible, yeah im sure KAZ thinks its friiking great idea (he has **** loads of money IRL) and access to any car he wishes to have in GTHD, he can have the Enzo or what ever car he wishs, but what about the average GT fan!!!!!, What if your Favorite just happens to be one of the cars that are limited to just a few, that would reallly suck ass. :irked: :banghead:
 
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Hmm...2 intriguing things in that pic. First, a whole herd of boxes marked "Playstation 3 Reference Tool" or something to that effect, and second, a set of pedals that appears to have a clutch pedal (albeit a really dinky one). The plot thickens... :mischievous:

Edit: Disregard the whole "dinky clutch bit"; I guess it's just missing the foot pad.
 
PD fiddling with the logitech G25, good good.


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and second, a set of pedals that appears to have a clutch pedal (albeit a really dinky one). The plot thickens... :mischievous:

Yeah thats the new logitech G25, which also has a 6speed gated shifter (shifter not in picture).
 
“Reference Tool”, the fancy way to call it a development kit ;), the most I could find about DECR–1000 was this post. In reference to the FCC submission the A at the end of the model number I would imagine would signify that it’s for America.

It’s great to see that PD has the GT Force EX and more importantly the G25 set. I’m sceptical as to whether so early on a special GT version will become available, mainly because of the costs involved, PS3 + GT HD + G25 GT Edition + 1080p TV (if you feel the urge to be an early adopter). Though if PD does support the G25 complete with “beta” clutch support, all the more made tight props to them!

Zer0’s image is from a Gamespot article, oh and if anybody didn’t know, Yamauchi certainly knows how to keep it real.

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^^^^^Hmmm, look at the shelf to his right, red for Premium (Ferrari Rosso), and Blue for Classic, sold seperately. Just an observation. Sorry if its been brought up before.

Dimitrov: You know, youre probably right about that. Though its hard to tell, the PS2 signs that are every where give it away, my mistake.
 
^^^^^Hmmm, look at the shelf to his right, red for Premium (Ferrari Rosso), and Blue for Classic, sold seperately. Just an observation. Sorry if its been brought up before.

Dimitrov: You know, youre probably right about that. Though its hard to tell, the PS2 signs that are every where give it away, my mistake.

That's GT3 on both sides. I have the red box art (bundle edition).

I didn't know Kaz smoked. No wonder all his stuff gets delayed. He wastes like a 5th of his life dragging on a cancer stick.
 
A lot of people in this thread are getting butthurt for small reasons.

How many cars do you actually need? Lets say the game comes out at a budget price. I did some quick math and wanted about 7 cars that are in gt4 already. For tracks I'd get the ring and then the next 1 or 2 popular courses online and thats all. GTHD itself would cost me less money than gt4. I'm willing to pay that to play online against other people and test out the early gt5 physics and tracks.
 
What's will all this "you don't really need that many cars". What happened to the Gran Turismo concept of having every possible car. I thought one of the reasons people liked Gran Turismo was because it let you drive a Mitsubishi Galant and a Honda Accord, not just the Mitsubishi 3000GT and the Honda NSX. If each single car costs money, people will be cheap and you won't find yourself discovering that one car that you'd of tried in GT4. Isn't that against the whole GT concept thing. If I have to pay for every car in GT "Classic", one more reason for me to stick with Forza 2 (which has online too) and not bother with the PS3 (not until later anyway).
 
Also, looking at GTHD Premium, it looks very amazing. Those car models are the most precise ive ever seen for a video game. The video with the Nismo GTR, S2000, Tom's Supra, Ford GT and F-Quattro-Trenta looked damn good. You know, if they tripled the number of cars and raised the number of tracks to 10-15, it would be simmilar to GT1 or GT3. With the full PS3 effect, it could be a great buy.
I thought that video was of real cars.

i highly doubt people will need all cars to have an absolutely great time playing GT. in any given iteration of GT i only used maybe five (5) on a regular basis and i still think i've had an optimal gaming experience everytime i play the game.
The joy of playing GT was having the choice. Heck, having the choice was the reason I was able to create 214 set-ups or various cars in GT4. And remember, if you want to advance in the game, you'll have to buy cars, and having to pay actual money for that stuff is a cruel joke.

MustangSVT
What's will all this "you don't really need that many cars". What happened to the Gran Turismo concept of having every possible car. I thought one of the reasons people liked Gran Turismo was because it let you drive a Mitsubishi Galant and a Honda Accord, not just the Mitsubishi 3000GT and the Honda NSX. If each single car costs money, people will be cheap and you won't find yourself discovering that one car that you'd of tried in GT4. Isn't that against the whole GT concept thing. If I have to pay for every car in GT "Classic", one more reason for me to stick with Forza 2 (which has online too) and not bother with the PS3 (not until later anyway).
I would think that the prize cars for winning races would be free.
 
there is no advancement or game. It's online arcade mode and time trial. If you want to discover a car from GT4 you use the car in gt4 like 99% of the people buying this.

You spend 80 cents on your supra and you race people with comparable cars.
 
From what I can tell, the only differences are:

Ferrari, new system, better graphics and (hard to tell) more cars on the track when racing. From the screen shots of their JGTC/Super GT cars, it would appear as if it's the same baisic car line-up. Instead of being the Audi Sport Team Joest R8 gen. 1, it appears to be an Oreca R8 gen. 2 or 3. Pretty lame if you ask me.

m.piedgros
 
Browsing IGN, I found some new facts I haven't seen here yet. Forgive me if I'm mistaken though:

GT:HD Classic hands-on
In practice, there's really no difference between GT4 and GTHD as far as driving goes. In fact, if you put a blur filter over the game, you probably couldn't tell the difference. Cars seem to handle identically and it retains the exact same sense of speed. This is of course an extremely good thing in most cases, but it also means that we still haven't seen the addition of damage modeling to the series. Perhaps that's what GT5 has in store for us.

Visually, the game looks like an incredibly high resolution version of GT4. Running at 1080p over HDMI, the game is leaps and bounds cleaner than even GT4 running at 1080i. Aside from resolution, there are a handful of nice visual upgrades to be seen, like a great specular lighting system on the cars, but most of the environmental changes are simply cleanliness. Textures are much sharper with cars looking absolutely stellar and backgrounds cutting through your eyes like a razor blade. The bystanders on the side of the track now look to be fully 3D and nicely animated, with some fans even standing up from a crouched position as you approach.

Again, aside from all that however, this is the Playstation 3 version of Gran Turismo 4. The microtransaction element is certainly curious, so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out. But all in all, this is the same old Gran Turismo that we've loved for years, but it's not the true next-gen Gran Turismo.
... which is alright, cause nobody said it would be. In terms of visuals, this sounds very good though.

Details about the price and the downloads
Bummed about Sony's micro transaction plans for Gran Turismo HD? Well this news might soften the blow just a bit. Japan's Impress Watch games site reports that, in comments made to the Japanese press, series producer Kazunori Yamauchi revealed that Sony plans to make GT HD available for the cost of the game disk and instruction manual. This suggests a retail price point of just a few dollars for the first PS3 Gran Turismo game.

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GT HD will include two main modes of play, Sony revealed earlier this week. Classic mode is basically Gran Turismo 4 running in 1080p along with a few other visual enhancements. The focus of this mode is on online play. Players race one-another online and purchase cars and tracks for a few dollars each. This mode won't include any courses and tracks from the start.

In comparison, those who want a more offline-oriented experience will be able to try out Premium mode. In addition to offering an early glimpse at the Gran Turismo 5 graphics engine (the actual GT5 won't be released until 2008), this mode will include 30 cars and 2 brand-new tracks right out of the box.

Sony clarified at TGS that Premium mode itself will have downloads. Players will be able to download 30 additional cars and a couple of additional tracks at the time of the game's release. The timing of these downloads suggests that they will not be free.

Development on Gran Turismo HD is currently at the 70% mark. A Japanese release is set for December.
More new info
Yamauchi also touched upon the new Ferrari license that came to light earlier this week. Ferrari cars will not only appear in GT HD, but starting half a year from now and continuing for a period of a year, Polyphony Digital and Ferrari will engage in collaborative marketing efforts.

The focus of Yamauchi's speech was on GT HD's online aspects. "GT HD is an online game," said Yamauchi, " and a large scale one at that." While we've already written about the game's online features, from online races to car and track downloads, Yamauchi today hinted at deeper plans. "We'd like to offer users the freedom that was only available to developers," he explained, without going into further details.

While GT HD's reliance on micro transactions came to light earlier in the week, Yamauchi let slip a few specifics regarding Sony's download plans for the game and, potentially, other online PlayStation titles. Sony will host a PlayStation Store service, Yamauchi revealed. This store will be accessible from the PlayStation 3's main menu. For GT-HD, this is where you'll be able to purchase new cars and tracks.

Downloads will be included in both the premium and classic modes of play. The premium mode, as we mentioned in an earlier article, will include 30 cars and 2 courses from the start. Available for download at launch, according to Sony's official press materials, will be one new course and 30 additional cars. Yamauchi revealed at the talk event that premium-grade cars and courses will continue to be added in the future for download.

For classic mode, the number of potential downloads is staggering. Users will be able to download 770 cars, 51 courses and 4,500 items. These numbers are end targets though. At the start of service, only 51 "items" will be available for download. Yamauchi did not give specifics on how this number breaks down.

Car damage will at long last make it into GT-HD, Yamauchi revealed. However, this long sought-after feature won't be available from the start. Polyphony plans to make it available as an update some time in 2007.

Also set to become available through an update is opponent AI. Polyphony will make updated opponent AI routines available for download in the first half of 2007.

Yamauchi also commented on a mysterious new feature that was noticed by some in the GT HD demo on display in the Sony booth. The demo offered players a choice between "normal" and "professional" driving models. Professional, will offer a more realistic driving experience, explained Yamauchi.
There's a little more to read, so check the links. All the vital info is in here though.

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the Interceptor
 
thanks interceptor,

as seen that gt premium has also offline play, i guess i will be getting that one, cause i love to play single player aswell.
 
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In practice, there's really no difference between GT4 and GTHD as far as driving goes. In fact, if you put a blur filter over the game, you probably couldn't tell the difference. Cars seem to handle identically and it retains the exact same sense of speed.

Well, the only people I can think of who are as bad at driving as IGN's editors are GameSpot's editors, so this doesn't mean the end of the world...but it doesn't sound promising either.

This, however, does:
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Yamauchi also commented on a mysterious new feature that was noticed by some in the GT HD demo on display in the Sony booth. The demo offered players a choice between "normal" and "professional" driving models. Professional, will offer a more realistic driving experience, explained Yamauchi.

Will PD finally deliver driving physics that aren't compromised by the need to make the stupid masses think they know what they're doing, while still keeping those stupid masses happy with the "normal" mode? :dopey: Only time will tell, but I'll have to stand in my local EBGames and play the demo over and over again to find out, since I won't be buying a PS3 until I can find it at a used games shop for $99 or less. :lol:

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Sony plans to make GT HD available for the cost of the game disk and instruction manual. This suggests a retail price point of just a few dollars for the first PS3 Gran Turismo game.

That makes a lot more sense, but the content/$ ratio will still fall way short of even GT3, which was criticized for not delivering in that area. Also, it's rather inconvienient to have to download everything.

Let's put it this way -- if the average joe wants to spend ~$50 on a racing game that has something along the lines of 15 tracks and 30 cars...which game are they going to buy? Will it be Need for Speed: Carbon, with its extensive customization system, plethora of cars that are desired by almost everyone, fast and frenetic arcadey gameplay, and mountain racing/drifting? Or will it be GTHD, with its "difficult" physics, slower-paced gameplay, numbers-intensive tuning, and the need to "order" and download the content that the user really wants?
 
Considering the disk itself may only cost £5 here in the UK (let's face it they won't sell it for just the cost of the disk and manual it will be rounded up to £4.99 or something like that), then it's worth having for the 30 cars and 2 tracks, even if you never download anything that costs money. I think I'll ignore the GT:Classic mode altogether though, it's not worth it.
 
I like to know about "normal" and "professional" modes. I wonder if one is geared more for the wheel and one for the controller. It wasn't much fun racing certain cars in GT4 with the controller. The wheel, for its fast steering adjustments, was a necessity for certain cars and for certain tracks (LMPs and Nurb and Le Mans courses), which I didn't enjoy one bit.
 
Considering the disk itself may only cost £5 here in the UK (let's face it they won't sell it for just the cost of the disk and manual it will be rounded up to £4.99 or something like that), then it's worth having for the 30 cars and 2 tracks, even if you never download anything that costs money. I think I'll ignore the GT:Classic mode altogether though, it's not worth it.

If it really costs that €3.00 or R$8,65 local currency, I can buy it just for collecting.
 
Here is my take on all that is going on.

I think that the online version of GT4 for the PS3 will have lots of good features by the way it sounds. Will it be enough for me to spend money on PS3 etc. maybe. Will most likely wait and see how this all pans out especially since Japan will get the next GT game first like always. Ability ro race 20 online competitors and have car clubs etc. sounds really good. Having to pay to download tracks and cars is like everyone else is saying not very interesting. Due to this I am guessing that there will not be any car trading allowed amongst online players. Some have said that everyone not having the same cars or tracks might be problems for online. I doubt if that will be any problems at all, sure you may not be able to enter some races or use some tracks. If we pay to download a car, I would think that we would get all colors that it comes in also and perhaps even the race version for "R" mods in GT5 if they have "R" mods.
With the GT5 preview or demo it sounds like it will be fairly nice and certainly good to have something playable. It sounds though that you will be able to basically build your own GT5 bye buying and downloading content as it comes out or buy full version when it is completed. I do not really know much about PS3, but would hope there would be away to back up your harddrive or even save info to cd if you wanted to. If one was to buy all this stuff and then something to happen to their PS3 then they would be out a lot of money. Guess that what the future is comming to though most everything will be in electonic format from computer software, music, books, newspapers and probably much much more. With no hard copies, computers you buy today you rarely get the hard cd disk that should come with the software that is installed. I think that for media like this there should be sometype of warranty system where if you have an account that you could download and replace your software for reduced cost.
 
hmm lets not forget one thing.. when you buy something online, there is a signature transaction taking place. If your HD is wiped out, by using your same registration information, you'll be able to download all the stuff you previously purchased.
 
To comment on a post earlier made by liveforspeed about how the downloading content for GTHD was just PD testing the water for the popularity of this method of starting with nothing and buying what you want, and that if it failed (ie no one bought anything) that it would be more likely that GT5 would end up with more initial content......

I totally agree, if PD realise that they cant screw people that way then GT5 will come with more, so surely WE SHOULD BOYCOTT GTHD DOWNLOADS. The more you buy the more PD think we should put less in GT5..... so dont buy into this downloading content thing.

On another note, what is KY talking about this thing with Ferrari? I didnt like the 1 year bit, does this mean that they will only have the licence for GT5?

The pictures of KY standng infront of the screen in the office, those titles on the shelves are GT3 in Red and GTConcept Toyko and also the Geneva title released afterward in Blue. The pic with the PS3 dev kit boxes was cool!

The mention of damage being featured in GTHD but only as an update in 2007... thats really lame! cant they show us anything on damage yet, just a bit?...and they are probably going to make you pay for it!

GTHD is just PD's test mule to keep the money and feedback flowing in for the next two years!..... they will release updates to it (probably all costing) so they can keep giving you a taste of GT5 but ripping you off in the process..... this is the next gen way of earning money of titles to cover the higher costs... they will probably get more revenue out of you using GTHD and buying stuff for it over 2 years than you just buying GT5.... double money!

My advice, buy GTHD, only play Premium, Dont download anything for it ever, wait till GT5 and enjoy the end Goodness...!

Robin

Oh and I bet you anything even though they say GTHD will be the price of disk and box it will be like aleast £10-£15 here because of rip off britian arg!
 
hmm lets not forget one thing.. when you buy something online, there is a signature transaction taking place. If your HD is wiped out, by using your same registration information, you'll be able to download all the stuff you previously purchased.

That's not how it is on the X360. You buy something, and if you lose it, you're screwed.
 
From what I can tell, the only differences are:

Ferrari, new system, better graphics and (hard to tell) more cars on the track when racing. From the screen shots of their JGTC/Super GT cars, it would appear as if it's the same baisic car line-up. Instead of being the Audi Sport Team Joest R8 gen. 1, it appears to be an Oreca R8 gen. 2 or 3. Pretty lame if you ask me.

m.piedgros
Given that the Oreca R8 has been modelled into the GT4 engine, and seen with the yellow R8, it's a good chance the Joest Audis will return with it.
 
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That's not how it is on the X360. You buy something, and if you lose it, you're screwed.
Incorrect. Microsoft said to us, as we were concerned about having to delete or replace our Hard Drive with a new one, you will still be able to download the game again after you bought it, as explained above. :)
 
Is there any way the gaming industry can do a mass boycott of downloadable material?

That's like buying a book with a table of contents and still having to buy all the chapters.
 
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