Gran Turismo Sport Closed Beta Coming March 17: First the US, Then EU Region
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With any stress test you start with limited numbers and slowly built up over time to your theoretical max. Hence why it limited in one region first, they will then probably invite more people in that region expand to other regions and then, hopefully, have an open beta to fully stress test the server side.Just putting it out there. 
But as I've seen this comment fairly consitently, why would you stress test and then also limit numbers?
I can understand region changes.
But to stress test one region first, ie. US, why close it?
Edit.
Oh by the way, seeing as I haven't commented yet, great news on the public beta.
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Cheers.
I assumed it might run somewhat along those lines, but I've always sat back and let others get involved.
I don't have the time to put into beta testing, so it seems a waste for me together involved, particularly when spaces are limited.
Logic tells me to "fill the pool to max." and see if it holds.
But I see the sense in what you are saying. 👍
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From the General Discussion thread:
You have to keep in mind the fact that it went from a public beta (where anyone who has a PS4 can join probably) to a closed beta (where only a limited number of players can join). Combine that with the lack of news/new content over the past few months, and I can see why some folks aren't too happy.
You have to keep in mind the fact that it went from a public beta (where anyone who has a PS4 can join probably) to a closed beta (where only a limited number of players can join). Combine that with the lack of news/new content over the past few months, and I can see why some folks aren't too happy.
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I understand that the closed beta is a step to the public beta.
http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/news/00_5876374.html
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There's negativity, which I can accept, and then there's above and beyond.
People get called out all the time for putting a toe over the line posting positively.
There have been ridiculous posts being negative about this news.
And yet no-one calls it out.
I'm not interested in quoting because I have little time for debating clearly over the top negative posts.
But I'm happy to put forward a general comment to try to keep things in balance.
Hence my post. 👍
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That makes sense, but it's disappointing that they went from public to closed. It's been nearly a year since they announced the old beta and they're still not ready for a full-fledged open beta.
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Yes they do, you just did.
Nor does the site have a requirement for people to be positive or a limit to how much positive or negative is allowed.
Happy to complain, but not happy to discuss!
Don't be surprised in that case if many ignore your complaints, as what you see as an 'over the top negative' may be perfectly reasonable to the person making it.
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People over-simplify (or broad-stroke generalize) a situation so that they can complain about those that may share a different opinion than them.
Go figure.
In 2015, an open beta was promised "early 2016". In the second half of May 2016, the beta was quietly cancelled. The reason given is that it would only delay the title from launching on its scheduled release date. Two and a half months before that scheduled release date, the game was delayed indefinitely to simply "2017". Seven months after the delay announcement, and a full four after the game was set to launch, a closed beta is announced.
Some folks are quite happy about the beta news. Some folks aren't. Neither one is right or wrong — they're all entitled to their own opinions on the situation. If we strove for some sort of artificial "balance" that we deemed appropriate between positive and negative, it wouldn't be a very organic discussion, would it? 👍
Strictly speaking, an open beta isn't outright mentioned, but I too hope that's where the program is eventually heading. 👍
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Complaining that people didn't challenge posts you see as 'over the top'.
Keep in mind that you were quite happy in you own post to label members as complaining "PD revise the situation, due to who knows what circumstances, and revive the beta. People complain."
You don't get to have it both ways. If you're just putting forward an observation then so are they, however if they are complaining then so are you. You don't get to pick the frame of reference of a discussion based on your personal bias and what you feel the direction of travel of a thread (and it would seem the site) should be.
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Actually, no.
I responded directly to someone who quoted me and I addressed the point they raised.
Different situation to the original post I made, in which I didn't complain, simply put forward an observation.
Why do I suddenly have 2 moderators on my back?
What site rule have I broken to warrant such attention?
I posted a general comment, not quoting anyone, about my thoughts.
I also responded directly to someone who quoted me.
What's the issue?
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Thanks for expressing in much better words what I wanted to say @Ameer67 @SlipZtrEm @Scaff
If I may add,
It is not that PD is releasing a beta or not but it is once again their way of doing things. If for example this announcement of the beta would have been supported by an enhanced blogpost to explain the reasoning behind it, it would probably have been more acceptable. However they decide to pet themselves on the back by sorting out a beta completely out of nowhere and still leaving fans in the dark of where we are in terms of development process, new content and features. I simply don't understand their logic and what they are trying to gain.
The whole negativity around PD is everytime created by themselves because never there are clear answers, clear communication or engagement with fans. While other developers make really some effort to keep the community connected. Take Rushy from Codemaster / Ex Evolution Studios for example, he is active on Twitter and rather easy to reach. He still comments and retweets driveclub related stuff and also talks about other games with the dc community. It keeps a link alive and it shows that this works into 2 directions. Just look where driveclub ended up 👍 Another example is ReadyAtDawn or Milestone (really improved).
We have seen several public offline demos the last few months, why not release a tamed down demo for everyone to enjoy? The trailer (opening sequence of the beta) only showed the same stuff that we have seen for months and months already. There is no indication at all there is going to be new content in the beta. It could very well be the public demo with added network code and nothing more.
I remember the copper event which was a great idea and I liked the enthusiasm it brought to the community and KAz even danced. Why not keeping that link and enthusiasm alive despite critisism and development issues? Instead they killed off everything around them and locked themselves up in their ivory tower. Such a shame! There could have been a lot more understanding and acceptance if PD hadn't let go of that link they created.
PD still seems unbeatable in the graphics department but on all other fronts they have been overtaken by the competition. Maybe it worries them? Maybe they are ashamed of the state the product is in? I don't know. What I do know is that PD is making it more and more difficult for themselves and if they don't watch out it could seriously have an impact on them.
Where is Kevin Butler when they need him the most
If I may add,
It is not that PD is releasing a beta or not but it is once again their way of doing things. If for example this announcement of the beta would have been supported by an enhanced blogpost to explain the reasoning behind it, it would probably have been more acceptable. However they decide to pet themselves on the back by sorting out a beta completely out of nowhere and still leaving fans in the dark of where we are in terms of development process, new content and features. I simply don't understand their logic and what they are trying to gain.
The whole negativity around PD is everytime created by themselves because never there are clear answers, clear communication or engagement with fans. While other developers make really some effort to keep the community connected. Take Rushy from Codemaster / Ex Evolution Studios for example, he is active on Twitter and rather easy to reach. He still comments and retweets driveclub related stuff and also talks about other games with the dc community. It keeps a link alive and it shows that this works into 2 directions. Just look where driveclub ended up 👍 Another example is ReadyAtDawn or Milestone (really improved).
We have seen several public offline demos the last few months, why not release a tamed down demo for everyone to enjoy? The trailer (opening sequence of the beta) only showed the same stuff that we have seen for months and months already. There is no indication at all there is going to be new content in the beta. It could very well be the public demo with added network code and nothing more.
I remember the copper event which was a great idea and I liked the enthusiasm it brought to the community and KAz even danced. Why not keeping that link and enthusiasm alive despite critisism and development issues? Instead they killed off everything around them and locked themselves up in their ivory tower. Such a shame! There could have been a lot more understanding and acceptance if PD hadn't let go of that link they created.
PD still seems unbeatable in the graphics department but on all other fronts they have been overtaken by the competition. Maybe it worries them? Maybe they are ashamed of the state the product is in? I don't know. What I do know is that PD is making it more and more difficult for themselves and if they don't watch out it could seriously have an impact on them.
Where is Kevin Butler when they need him the most
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The issue is that you come across as attempting to direct the tone of conversation and set what is and is not appropriate.
That's a mandate you don't have and yes you are coming across as hypocritical on this, you take issue with people complaining, yet frame your own complaint as 'observations'.
As such don't be surprised when that is pointed out to you.
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You haven't broken any site rules — we're members of the community as well as members of staff. That means we take part in the same discussions as the rest of the folks here. 👍
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@doblocruiser I miss Kevin Butler, from what I know he got caught doing a Wii ad so he got canned
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@doblocruiser I miss Kevin Butler, from what I know he got caught doing a Wii ad so he got canned
Time to bring him back and start reducing the damage. I am sure he and the campaign team could turn this whole thing around
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If I may to give you some advice.
In this forum we can see a lot of people having different feelings and opinion about GTS. It could be opinion based on their being positive thinking GTS would be ok or simply said things from their true emotions and ended up, for the sake of the game, criticizing and complaining the lacking or how slow the development progress of this game. This is discussion forum anyway, everything can happen.
The conclusion is that you can't forced people to do what you think is right, such as everyone should being positive which seems not fair. From what we have seen from PD effort and attempt in the recent time there are up and down, hit and miss that created such reaction and respond to all GT fans. They have their own opinions and they are allowed to share some good and bad perspective or give judgement of certain topic especially in this forum, as long as they stick to the rules and not breaking the limit of societal norm, that is fine.
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GT6 online will still be supported for a while, so I'd guess they'll have dedicated servers for the beta.
Also, GT6 quick match servers can barely handle the meager traffic they see today. When there are new events and people are interested, connecting becomes a crap-shoot. You wait forever, there are errors, you get kicked out. Considering requirement for PS Plus subscription to play online now.. I'm expecting a huge improvement in connectivity and reliability with GT Sport. Even the beta.
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I actually think there is quite a nice balance between the positives and negatives at the moment. It certainly isn't the negative echo chamber what has been attempted (and will be attempted again) by a very few, yet strangely dedicated set of individuals, in every 'downtime' between news this sub forum has seen since, forever.
As for the bold part, that is not true. When I stop by, and things are swinging to one extreme, I always call people out on their hypocrisy, bias, stupidity, and their general ignorance. Funny thing is, if I came here and read countless posts by similar individuals trying to create an echo chamber by wrongly touting the games superiority over all other games in the genre, I would be exactly the same with those people.
The point being, I feel GT has many faults, I feel GT does many things well. Do I think GT:Sport will be the best game ever? Nope. Do I think GTS will be the best game this year? Nope. But I do still think I will enjoy it, if I didn't feel GT was going to offer me something different I certainly would not be here now, reading and writing about it.
Lastly, I don't think people with negative opinions are a problem. They have had negative experiences with the game or PD and feel the need to express it. Alright it is sometimes dragged on way to far and I don't know what they expect to achieve by stating it here every day, as this site is no way an official outlet for Sony or PD. But it is their opinion none the less.
The real problem here for me (and I am going to take a guess it probably is for you too) is people with double standards and/or have an agenda towards PD/GT/Sony/Fans on the opposite end of the spectrum to themselves and try to mask these feelings behind a thin veil.
The good news is it's easy to spot! I'm paraphrasing now but here are some telltale signs everybody in the middle ground needs to watch out for. (and yes, I have seen very similar posts, by the same people, of every one of these examples below)
"C'mon PD, would it kill you to give us more information?"
*PD releases new information
"Pft, I don't believe a word Kaz says!"
"Those screenshots are truly awful"
*PD releases updated screenshots
"...... Bullshots!"
"Why can't we have feature X? It's in game Y"
*PD announces feature X
"OMG, that's nothing new! It's been in game Y forever!"
"If PD don't have a beta, I anticipate an online **** show at launch"
*PD announces beta
"Wow, their net code must be in an awful state!"
And my personal favourite....
"This is unacceptable! I am done with this game!"
*User continues to post almost every day for the next few months
"This is unacceptable! I am done with this game!"
Spot any of this and you quickly realise that their comments are not worth the space upon your screen. Also remember, there is the other (double standards/agenda towards other games/dev/fans) side to this coin.
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I actually think there is quite a nice balance between the positives and negatives at the moment. It certainly isn't the negative echo chamber what has been attempted (and will be attempted again) by a very few, yet strangely dedicated set of individuals, in every 'downtime' between news this sub forum has seen since, forever.
As for the bold part, that is not true. When I stop by, and things are swinging to one extreme, I always call people out on their hypocrisy, bias, stupidity, and their general ignorance. Funny thing is, if I came here and read countless posts by similar individuals trying to create an echo chamber by wrongly touting the games superiority over all other games in the genre, I would be exactly the same with those people.
The point being, I feel GT has many faults, I feel GT does many things well. Do I think GT:Sport will be the best game ever? Nope. Do I think GTS will be the best game this year? Nope. But I do still think I will enjoy it, if I didn't feel GT was going to offer me something different I certainly would not be here now, reading and writing about it.
Lastly, I don't think people with negative opinions are a problem. They have had negative experiences with the game or PD and feel the need to express it. Alright it is sometimes dragged on way to far and I don't know what they expect to achieve by stating it here every day, as this site is no way an official outlet for Sony or PD. But it is their opinion none the less.
The real problem here for me (and I am going to take a guess it probably is for you too) is people with double standards and/or have an agenda towards PD/GT/Sony/Fans on the opposite end of the spectrum to themselves and try to mask these feelings behind a thin veil.
The good news is it's easy to spot! I'm paraphrasing now but here are some telltale signs everybody in the middle ground needs to watch out for. (and yes, I have seen very similar posts, by the same people, of every one of these examples below)
"C'mon PD, would it kill you to give us more information?"
*PD releases new information
"Pft, I don't believe a word Kaz says!"
"Those screenshots are truly awful"
*PD releases updated screenshots
"...... Bullshots!"
"Why can't we have feature X? It's in game Y"
*PD announces feature X
"OMG, that's nothing new! It's been in game Y forever!"
"If PD don't have a beta, I anticipate an online **** show at launch"
*PD announces beta
"Wow, their net code must be in an awful state!"
And my personal favourite....
"This is unacceptable! I am done with this game!"
*User continues to post almost every day for the next few months
"This is unacceptable! I am done with this game!"
Spot any of this and you quickly realise that their comments are not worth the space upon your screen. Also remember, there is the other (double standards/agenda towards other games/dev/fans) side to this coin.
My personal favourite being the "Do You Still Have Respect for Kazunori Yamauchi?" Thread. Some people have some growing up to do.
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