Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion
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possibly, though the real thing would be that much sweeter
but if I may say so, we need something along the lines of these:
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2016 911 GT3 R
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2017 911 RSR
Take your pick as to which you prefer
I'd bet on the first one just because I'm positive a GTE car will be far more difficult to BOP in a clearly GT3 based category.
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possibly, though the real thing would be that much sweeter
but if I may say so, we need something along the lines of these:
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2016 911 GT3 R
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2017 911 RSR
Take your pick as to which you prefer
I like them both tbh 👍
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Online is the popular thing these days. The best selling games these days all have a online component, some focusing entirely on that. SCE looks to GTS as a big seller for PS4 and even quotes it as a reason to increase PS+ subs.
Personally, I think online racing is the epitome of racing games. AI can never replicate the mindgames and consequent tactics employed by real players. however there are clear hurdles that need to be overcome to have the racing community go online. PD are making headway with the ratings, but lag is something that remains to be seen. I think those who dismiss online from previous experiences should be more open and try something like GTS as it has changed a lot. Online is also there for having fun free roaming around a track with others, or drifting etc.
Regardless of the focus, I see no reason to downgrade SP. We'll see how GTS SP is. I'm hoping there are tournaments later on or at least a tourney creator.
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And a lot of popular games that come out on these consoles also have a pretty expansive Single player as well as multiplayer. Online being popular is no excuse for them to put a whole section of a game on the back burner.
Nothing will replace playing with a human. You get all the a-holes, all the idiots, all the people that don't know how to drive, all the people that just want to grief other players. Sometimes your internet(or the servers) mess up, and it gives you something to do in the mean time. Sometimes you'll forget to pay for your subscription, so you'll be locked out of online. That's when it would have come in hand. I know that doesn't account for everyone, but I like to take a break sometimes to get away from that, and single player would have been a way to do it. Hopefully their other modes are expansive, if not, that'll be a let down.
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He sure alluded to that, but the focus on online made it seem to support the fact that it's ok to be mainly multiplayer because some games that are popular put a lot more importance on it.
We've been outlined of what it'll contain. It seems like its on the backburner for sure from the inside scoop of every mode, as well as the info we have on it. There has obviously been more importance put on the multiplayer aspect of the game from what we know, when it comes to racing.
And that's also where the rating system hasn't came in entirely yet. You'll still get those kinds of people regardless of the rating system. There is no way to completely avoid that, and that's why I said sometimes I like to just take a break from it.
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We've seen a lot more than the first stage, we've seen videos going through every section of it trailing through the first leg of the races within it. We've also had an article hear outlining the contents of each individual Career mode, and what it's likely to entail. From what we've seen so far, I think we saw one actual race, so far, within the tests of the 4 modes available.
Here, I'll quote this part for you since you missed it.
So I'll explain. It very much looks like, and sounds like, a section that is made of mostly of license type tests. In the year+ we've known, as we got information, much of that hasn't changed, especially when we got a closer look. I'm hopeful that there will be more. From what we saw from the 1/8 challenges in one of the modes, is that the last one was a race. If anything I'd be willing to bet that the last leg of each individual section is going to be a race. I'm hoping for more, but I'm not entirely convinced that this is going to be the career mode many are coming to expect.
And people still haven't been able to avoid it. It happens, it's online.
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Yes, the first leg means exactly the same thing. Whatever the case, it doesn't take away from my point that it's not sounding very promising, nor has the tidbit of visuals we got from it make me any more hopeful. They've been outlined essentially as license test. If it's anything other than that, I'd only be pleasantly surprised, but right now, I'm not convinced that it's anything but the usual license test going off all the info we have so far.
Which is nothing to do with my point of it happening, and people wanting to escape from time to time and get away from it.
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Based on? It won't be the only title with a driver rating system (in terms of speed and sportsmanship) when it launches.
There were definitely dive-bombers in the higher classes in the beta, too. If there is a system in place of any sort in a title, expect to find people that know how to exploit it.
I'm hoping all three big titles releasing this autumn succeed in the goal of better-matched online. It's not an easy task, which neatly ties this back to the point earlier: not everybody wants it. Some people just don't want to deal with the hassle of going online and trying to find solid competition.
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How do you mean "based on what"? It seemed adequatly clear as it was said "safe-EST on consoles", not "perfection beyond god's creation". It was said safe-EST... on consoles...
My Assetto's online on my console is totaly under-evolved compared to any other competitor in genre. In pCARS 2 thread I saw just today regular members being worried as couple of weeks before "Gold phase" there has not been anything presented as of yet that would show any progress on match makin development (it was even questioned will it even be ANY true match making or just random joining). Then you have Forza and you have GT...
Out of all those titles only one, GT, has held a BETA for direct purpose of further evolving and refining of true match making TOOLS. And for servers testing, you can never test those enough
Seems, to me, that use of term "Safe-EST on consoles" was used really competently.
I say, it seem to me, and i've elaborated how come, nothing else.
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Based on what? In the time I've played Pcars1 I didn't have as much a problem with griefers compared to, lets say, Forza, and neither of them have a rating system. The rating system being there doesn't automatically make it the safest, but it is a step in the right direction, even if it's not working fully as intended, yet.
The higher tier league races in Forza did a decent job at setting up the groups of good racers and bad, as well. A lot of these games have a system in place, and a lot of the time the "bad" people still end up grouped with you. It's not a full proof system, which I've stated, the reply that is sparking this conversation stated "we'll see" as if to imply that it will be full proof.
And there is a reason for that, because upon release of their recent games there have been issues, so now they're planning ahead and trying to make the best experience possible.Out of all those titles only one, GT, has held a BETA for direct purpose of further evolving and refining of true match making TOOLS. And for servers testing, you can never test those enough
The other game that launched with a lot of issues was Pcars, so I feel they definitely should have issued a beta to try to eliminate any issues before hand. I'm being cautious with that title, especially after the fact that they aren't aiming for a locked FPS within their own game. That game I'll wait for it to come out, and gets reviewed by our peers here before I consider buying it.
Forza launches have all been pretty darn smooth though, and seem to have the least bugs of the bunch. However, it wouldn't hurt to have an early access beta either
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Your strawman is not welcome here.
I really don't know how to further simplify a three-word question. So instead, I'll expand: I'm asking what makes GT Sport seem the safest bet for online racing on consoles — what evidence supports that? It's not a dismissive statement: nowhere have I said GT Sport isn't or can't be, I'm simply asking on what grounds.
The idea of skill-based matchmaking in PCARS2 has been talked about by the devs since before the game's first official trailer. If it isn't included, yeah, that's a pretty heavy blow. We'll know pretty soon...
Going by the official page's info here, so long as other players' license info is viewable in lobbies, we should be able to determine if the matchmaking claims check out.
IIRC, when players create custom online championships in PCARS2, they can set a minimum racing license requirement. I can't remember if we've had confirmation of that in either of the other games. It's unlikely in FM7 though, as it'll probably still only have private user-created lobbies instead of public.
Out of all those titles only one, GT, has held a BETA for direct purpose of further evolving and refining of true match making TOOLS. And for servers testing, you can never test those enough
It's also the only franchise that has yet to have an entry on this generation, so I welcome testing. The beta provided lots of good feedback for both PD and players. After the server issues with GT6, it was great to see solid performance in that aspect in GT Sport (outside of the bumpy first few days).
I don't have enough experience with PCARS1 online to comment one way or the other, but Forza has always had the most solid online server performance for me. A more informed matchmaking system that minimizes griefers can't come quickly enough, though...
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We should know next Thursday, as the 3rd live-stream will be looking at esports, League set-up, online, etc.
The first two (handling & physics and Cars & Tracks ran for around an hour each and were very in depth, so 7pm (UK time) should see a lot of that fpr PC2 shown in detail.
@PhaedrusSocrate You need to keep in mind that Project Cars have a huge amount of experience with eSports, having been running a massive amount of leagues, championships and esports events over the last two years.
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Ummmm, I'd say that a four month worldwide beta purely to test online performance and ground test an advanced matchmaking system was pretty decent evidence. Certainly more than 'they might announce it next week', as with PCars2.
Don't want to be too presumptuous, but you seem to be jumping down the guys throat over nothing, really. Not entirely necessary, and not something to go all out sarcasm attack on the member for, I would have thought.
Seemed like just the guy's opinion.
And that is my humble opinion.
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I’m still very dubious about the matchmaking in GTS. I had a high skill rating in the beta yet in 90% of the races still saw driving behaviour that was unacceptable. It’s a thankless task for the devs. I’m not sure any system will ever be able to deal with the problem.
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What other racing games on consoles have a separate driver and performance rating confirmed for matchmaking?
You do understand, things are popular because they appeal to a lot of people.
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I've been sim racing since the early 90's I know that. However, if I want to compete in all the comps in GTS that means public lobbys. And if the beta is anything to go by then that is still going to mean an unacceptable level of driving standards even with the matchmaking system in place. That was my point, the GTS matchmaking system & skill rating system I experienced in the beta did not do a good enough job of improving driving standards.
The whole ethos of GTS is online e-sports, even if the delusional Kaz says it's only 15%, the vast majority of that will be public lobbys, they need to get all of this stuff right, matchmaking, skill rating, BOP, for the e-sports to be a success. What I experienced in the beta was not close to being right.
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@GT6mebe I'm afraid I don't understand how you came to this conclusion:
from that investor presentation slide
All I can read is that Sony expects to maximise its profit by expanding their user base, enhancing their game line up and growing the number of PSN+ subscriber. Why you'd necessarily link one to the other is beyond me.
Actually, from the data available, it would be a rather bold move from Sony to make PSN+ mandatory for GT Sport; if you consider only (approx) one out of tree PS4 owner is a PSN+ subscriber.
from that investor presentation slide
All I can read is that Sony expects to maximise its profit by expanding their user base, enhancing their game line up and growing the number of PSN+ subscriber. Why you'd necessarily link one to the other is beyond me.
Actually, from the data available, it would be a rather bold move from Sony to make PSN+ mandatory for GT Sport; if you consider only (approx) one out of tree PS4 owner is a PSN+ subscriber.
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