Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[pasigiri]

Totally agree again Samus.

This isn't teens trolling, it's long time fans understandably disappointed with a PR strategy antiquated in the extreme.

This isn't 1997.

Give us some info.

I feel your pain. While it is PD and Sony's prerogative to not say anything, it's also the consumers prerogative to say forget it and go to something else that's available. Forza is coming to PC (Oculus Rift support???), PCars, and Assetta Corsa are ALL serious options. With PCars and AC having VR support on PC and possibly PS4, that pretty much kills the GT VR party trick. Like I said in an earlier post, GTS will have to UNDOUBTEDLY be phenomenal. Running at 60 frames per second in 4K won't be enough.

 

[GTPorsche]

As I've said brfore, they have no actual obligation to give any details until they are ready to do so. Comparing them to other developers is just a waste of all of our time. Everyone works differently on their games.

I'll take silence over them doing what they did with GT5. Or SMS with Project CARS and its delays. Or Naughty Dog and Uncharted 4's delays.

The entitlement comment was for those who think asking a facebook page is going to get them the answers that they feel they need to know right now.

And to those that don't like waiting.. either learn to deal with it or move on to something else.

 

[Scaff]

As I've said brfore, they have no actual obligation to give any details until they are ready to do so. Comparing them to other developers is just a waste of all of our time. Everyone works differently on their games.

They do, however in the absence of communication rumour and speculation will take its place.

I'll take silence over them doing what they did with GT5. Or SMS with Project CARS and its delays. Or Naughty Dog and Uncharted 4's delays.

And I would rather take communication, even with the issues it brings.

And to those that don't like waiting.. either learn to deal with it or move on to something else.

Or they can carry on discussing and speculating as they have been, please don't infer that members should stop discussing a topic.

 

[doblocruiser]

@GTPorsche I agree with you when you say they don't have an obligation to give any details and comparing them to others is a waste of time. It's not about that but it's the complete lack of communication with their fanbase. The waiting isn't a problem either but their silence on their product is. It's Sony's biggest racing franchise, they spend millions into development and not a single one of them thinks: hey maybe it would be a good idea to invest a few dollars / yen in communication or marketing? Their lack of communication is simply beyond all I've ever came across. I believe PD is a very talented studio but Kaz is a dreamer. That's fine and it can deliver staggering products but it also can seriously harm your franchise if you are unable to see beyond the bubble you live in and your employer (Sony) let's you inside this bubble.

 

[GTPorsche]

please don't infer that members should stop discussing a topic.

Please don't infer that I'm telling anyone to stop discussing things.

@GTPorsche I agree with you when you say they don't have an obligation to give any details and comparing them to others is a waste of time. It's not about that but it's the complete lack of communication with their fanbase. The waiting isn't a problem either but their silence on their product is. It's Sony's biggest racing franchise, they spend millions into development and not a single one of them thinks: hey maybe it would be a good idea to invest a few dollars / yen in communication or marketing? Their lack of communication is simply beyond all I've ever came across. I believe PD is a very talented studio but Kaz is a dreamer. That's fine and it can deliver staggering products but it also can seriously harm your franchise if you are unable to see beyond the bubble you live in and your employer (Sony) let's you inside this bubble.

What bubble? I'm not concerning my time with what PD are or aren't doing. I have other things in life to deal with that are more important than what PD are doing.

 

[doblocruiser]

You are completely missing the point or you simply refuse to see, that's fine as well

..moving on

 

[Scaff]

Ok, I've never tried AC but I did try pCARS on a controller and it was utter s:censored:t, it was a while ago and I remember playing the first race with clios... that FWD car spun out on the STRAIGHT!!! Then I tried M3 e30 and even if you get a hint of oversteer it is impossible to correct it, messed with the settings and controller presets for an hour, nothing helped, sold it for 2/3 of the price.(NOTE: pCARS is probbably x100 times better with a wheel but I don't have it).Got back to GT6 and it was just amazing, first I drove an NA mx5 and it was very easy to drive, well balanced, oversteery but fun, then I tried NC miata and it was a lot more planted and serious than the NA, then I drove an EK civic and it had "pronounced" exit understeer, then I drove an NSX and that thing was like a dart, then I drove a 787b and that thing was very twichy and unstable but menagable... Anyways my point is that it's incredible how good GT6 play's with the controller.(I guess you could say that's groundbreaking by itself, lol but let's not go there)

One more thing, GTS doesn't need to be groundbreaking just because it's bigger name than the rest, it just needs to be better than pCARS and AC. People won't care that GTS isn't groundbreaking as long as it's the best console sim out there.

And will it be the best? We'll just have to wait and see

Finally! Someone who agrees with me!

I am mainly discussing wheel use, and acknowledge that GT has always been well optimized for a pad, however a claim that PCARS is utter 🤬 with a pad I would have to disagree with. It is a pain to get set-up well, but once its done its both good and solid with a pad and notably as fast with a pad as a wheel (as shown by pad users regularly being among the fastest in the community events).

Its more than possible to catch slides and drive smoothly with a pad in PCARs.




As far as GTS being the best console sim when released, given that no GT title has arguably held that position then yes it would be groundbreaking for a GT title

Please don't infer that I'm telling anyone to stop discussing things.

It doesn't work like that I'm afraid.

One of the ways in which "And to those that don't like waiting.. either learn to deal with it or move on to something else." can be read is as an instruction to simply sit back and wait without discussion, and from a moderation point of view that is not your call to make. Please note that this is not an invitation to discuss this subject, its an instruction to not attempt to moderate the discussion.

 

[Soundtrack]

@GTPorsche I agree with you when you say they don't have an obligation to give any details and comparing them to others is a waste of time. It's not about that but it's the complete lack of communication with their fanbase. The waiting isn't a problem either but their silence on their product is. It's Sony's biggest racing franchise, they spend millions into development and not a single one of them thinks: hey maybe it would be a good idea to invest a few dollars / yen in communication or marketing? Their lack of communication is simply beyond all I've ever came across. I believe PD is a very talented studio but Kaz is a dreamer. That's fine and it can deliver staggering products but it also can seriously harm your franchise if you are unable to see beyond the bubble you live in and your employer (Sony) let's you inside this bubble.

Ironically, people have to dismiss Sony’s Marketing and GT’s european brand manager info to come to the conclusion of an unbearable waiting/delay, go figure. So it’s not exactly about give us at least something, but more likely give us a little something we want to hear. Also are you certain Sony are giving away PD so much roam? Isn’t it possible they (Sony) have their own objectives and agenda concerning one of their biggest franchise? I’ve already ask in this thread: what is the added value for Sony to spill the beans and spoil one of their (most awaited?) exclusive when they have one of their major primetime almost just around the corner?

 

[jm79]

Please don't infer that I'm telling anyone to stop discussing things.


What bubble? I'm not concerning my time with what PD are or aren't doing. I have other things in life to deal with that are more important than what PD are doing.

I understand your general stance and all that, but yeah, we're gona have to agree to disagree.

Literally the only reason I come on here is to do what you infer, as Scaff put it, i shouldn't.

 

[doblocruiser]

Ironically, people have to dismiss Sony’s Marketing and GT’s european brand manager info to come to the conclusion of an unbearable waiting/delay, go figure. So it’s not exactly about give us at least something, but more likely give us a little something we want to hear. Also are you certain Sony are giving away PD so much roam? Isn’t it possible they (Sony) have their own objectives and agenda concerning one of their biggest franchise? I’ve already ask in this thread: what is the added value for Sony to spill the beans and spoil one of their (most awaited?) exclusive when they have one of their major primetime almost just around the corner?

I don't know if Sony is giving them to much room to manouver but the signs are there. Of course it's a bit of speculation as well because we haven't got a clue because there no news being released.

As said before I don't mind if Sony communicates the are have struggle with development and need more time to finish the product. I am not waiting for them to tell me what I want to hear but I am waiting for them to share news on their product.

Communication grows support for a product and it can bind people much more to the product as well. The lack of communication devides people and it will move them away from your product.

 

[jm79]

I am not waiting for them to tell me what I want to hear but I am waiting for them to share news on their product.

^this^

 

[Soundtrack]

Communication grows support for a product and it can bind people much more to the product as well. The lack of communication devides people and it will move them away from your product.

PD has never been a voluble company. That didn't affect their results it seems. And we will have to wait PS4 sales figures to determine whether GT6 was the start of a decline or only an anomaly.

 

[Laffinassasin]

@Soundtrack

I don't think you can say Uncharted 4 will have any bearing on what Sony do with GT. History shows it too.

TLOU was released after a short delay (original date May 7th) on June 13th 2013 and GT6 was revealed on May 15th.

 

[Soundtrack]

@Laffinassasin It's Sony's E3 press conference not Uncharted4 👍 that could possibly dictate the tempo.

 

[doblocruiser]

PD has never been a voluble company. That didn't affect their results it seems. And we will have to wait PS4 sales figures to determine whether GT6 was the start of a decline or only an anomaly.

True once again but the landscape in which they operate has drastically changed since 1997.

 

[jm79]

@Laffinassasin It's Sony's E3 press conference not Uncharted4 👍 that could possibly dictate the tempo.

If we get to E3 without a word on GT, then they will have ignored their own announcement.
Again, that would be deeply weird.

 

[Soundtrack]

True once again but the landscape in which they operate has drastically changed since 1997.

I never denied they could benefit from an up to date PR representative. It just doesn't appeared to be in their core DNA.

If we get to E3 without a word on GT, then they will have ignored their own announcement.
Again, that would be deeply weird.

Spoiling GT Sport with the beta in the weeks to come would be even weirder IMHO. We could get some bits of info in the interval of course. GT academy could also come into play, but I have my doubts the event would/could be run on an unvalidated new engine.

 

[jm79]

Spoiling GT Sport with the beta in the weeks to come would be even weirder IMHO. We could get some bits of info in the interval of course.

If this is the case, and I see where you're coming from, would they announce that they had cancelled the beta?

Because I don't care what they do, as long as they just tell us something!

 

[Soundtrack]

Why would they cancel it? Doesn't their evasive communication give their enough room to adapt their strategy? It may just be that they had various options available with internal pivotal dates set between the companies.

 

[queleuleu]

http://www.turbo.fr/videos-voiture/...-motorsport-emission-turbo-du-03-04-2016.html
What is the car at 7:42?
There is also a picture at 6:48, no idea of what is this.

 

[jm79]

Why would they cancel it? Doesn't their evasive communication give their enough room to adapt their strategy? It may just be that they had various options available with internal pivotal dates set between the companies.

I thought cancelling was what you suggested?

Also, yes, that 'early 2016' statement means they have room still, but not much at all. There surely has to be some kind of announcement before E3 - my money is on a simple 'sorry, delay, see you at E3' kind of thing.

 

[fortbo]

 

[jm79]

View attachment 533976

...?

 

[fortbo]

...?

Nah, the winglets are attached to the body.

 

[Dustinho25]

That seems to be the Lamborghini Veneno.

 

[jm79]

That seems to be the Lamborghini Veneno.

That's a much better guess!

 

[fortbo]

That seems to be the Lamborghini Veneno.

I think you're right.

 

[Samus]

What bubble? I'm not concerning my time with what PD are or aren't doing. I have other things in life to deal with that are more important than what PD are doing.

Surprisingly when going about my day to day life I'm also not worrying about what PD are doing or what is going on with Gran Turismo either. However, this is a dedicated internet discussion forum for Gran Turismo, in the absence of news and updates I'm not entirely sure what you expect to be happening here. The only real alternative is total silence but for a discussion forum that doesn't really work. People are going to talk, and it's invariably going to be about the lack of news until it does arrive.

 

[drummermaniac]

That seems to be the Lamborghini Veneno.

This car was included in Driveclub, i dont understand why they can't share some assets between internal studios (RIP EVO), another 6 months wasted working on this car.

 

[ImaRobot]

I am mainly discussing wheel use, and acknowledge that GT has always been well optimized for a pad, however a claim that PCARS is utter 🤬 with a pad I would have to disagree with. It is a pain to get set-up well, but once its done its both good and solid with a pad and notably as fast with a pad as a wheel (as shown by pad users regularly being among the fastest in the community events).

Its more than possible to catch slides and drive smoothly with a pad in PCARs.

The problem is that most people don't want to take the time to set-up or find a setting that worked, and rightfully so, especially with how ridiculous it is to test your own settings. The settings should be available from the in-game pause menu, but as it sits, trial and error took so long that made it a bit intimidating, and underwhelming. At launch, the game was badly optimized on the pad(at least on Xbox One) and have released some updates since but, for my self at least, it was something that pushed me away from the game. There is no pull for me to even get it going since then, coupled with the problems with frame issues.