Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[jm79]

About GT Academy being still on the PS3, I think it makes sense because when running a live competition it is better to use the software that is proven to work.

If PD were to right now create a GT Academy spínoff for the PS4 that would mean using the unfinished beta of GT Sport. Quite an awful choice.

Mmm unfinished betas?

*cough* GT5 *cough*

 

[avens]

Mmm unfinished betas?

*cough* GT5 *cough*

Imagine how much more incomplete the beta of GT5 might have been.

 

[Zlork]

None of those has any mention about your claim of that the "GTS Beta will serve primarily to test servers or others.", nor about that "They weren't sure for GT Academy this year."

The first quote in particular not only doesn't include information about the beta serving primarily for testing servers (I really don't know how you can interpret that phrase like that when there's no info about it), but actually expressly contradicts your claim. The meaning of "Taking feedback that will help us shaping the final version of GT Sport when it'll be released" is the opposite of just testing the servers, because taking feedback and applying it to the game takes tons of time and isn't something trivial to the core content, both unlike testing servers.

They will test servers and others things. Obviously.

Prospective issues will be fixed thanks to our feedback and other datas. It's us who will report connection problems or other bugs.

As usual, you play on words.

 

[avens]

You said "GTS Beta will serve primarily to test servers or others.". Your quote doesn't say that at all. Period.

That's not playing with words. You are.

And again, that quote actually contradicts your point because it says the beta will mainly serve for gathering data and taking feedback to shape the final game release. That's the opposite of testing servers.

 

[Zlork]

You said "GTS Beta will serve primarily to test servers or others.". Your quote doesn't say it at all. Period.

That's not playing with words. You are.

And again, that quote actually contradicts your point because it says it will mainly serve for gathering data and taking feedback. That's the opposite.

Ok.

 

[GT6champNK_69]

You said "GTS Beta will serve primarily to test servers or others.". Your quote doesn't say that at all. Period.

That's not playing with words. You are.

And again, that quote actually contradicts your point because it says the beta will mainly serve for gathering data and taking feedback to shape the final game release. That's the opposite of testing servers.

Aren't you manipulating yourself avens. That FB message says exactly what is typed in it.
If you read it, you will in end get what Zlork say.
If I'm reading a book, should I beginning to manipulating the words in the book to know what is typed down in it, and to understand what the book is about.
I'm confused what you claim being the opposite. I read like this-"we will use the beta to testing, and receive feedback from players, playing the beta, and use the feedback to make changes along the way to perfection the ending product before releasing the final GT Sport". Simple as the writing words in the message.
And they will also use the "Beta", to test the servers!...

 

[Johnnypenso]

They will test servers and others things. Obviously.

Prospective issues will be fixed thanks to our feedback and other datas. It's us who will report connection problems or other bugs.

As usual, you play on words.

No. He is actually using your literal words, literally the opposite of playing with words.. You also avoided answering my query about Nissan.

 

[Greatbee]

Speculating on highest level!

 

[dipsetab]

Speculating on highest level!

its beyond esports level

 

[88GTA]

Regarding GT Academy, the GTPlanet news article here mentions that the entire format has changed for this year. The article is says that:

The qualifiers are said to be taking place exclusively at live events. If confirmed, this represents the biggest break from tradition, as each previous GT Academy has been available to players at home, either as a free, downloadable standalone, or from within a current Gran Turismo title.

Am I wrong in assuming that this is for the entire competition and not just Egypt? If this is the case, wouldn't it make sense if PD used existing GT6 pods at these live events?

 

[TurismoBad]

... But we consider 2016 to be a growth year ... Then there's Uncharted 4 : a Thief's End, this year's big event. It's our biggest release this year with Gran Turismo and the big come back from The Last Guardian. And of course, the PSVR is on it's way.

http://www.challenges.fr/high-tech/...oi-2016-est-une-annee-cruciale-pour-sony.html

Originally at NeoGaf

 

[trustjab]

There is quite the difference between definitively stating something and saying something vague. Yes, that answer wasn't a wholly definitive "It's on PS3, end of" but said it is now, so clearly a decision has been made at some point to work on it for PS3.

Yes, for the few things the GT FB has stated definitely I believe (Albeit with a grain of salt since they're so easy to fake), I don't however put any stock in the 'we're thinking about it' and 'maybe' type answers.

That answers your question below-

Not entirely sure what you're saying here. What else would it mean?

What I meant was if people are working on assets or whatever for the PS3 game that is people not working on the PS4 game at all. So if they're stretched thin, why would they be putting people to work on PS3 stuff? Surely it would make more sense to be doing that same work on the PS4 codebase? Why wouldn't you, if it was possible? PS3 is a dead format, no big studios are developing new games for it, you surely wouldn't be working with it if you didn't have to.

Obviously they still have staff on the ps3 side of things, doing things like seasonal events. Even if that's minimal, it's still support. And Sony doesn't feel the ps3 is dead, just like the ps2 when ps3 was out for a couple years. Still had games release for it. It's not the latest format, but it's also not a completely dead format. Stretched thin- they don't have huge amounts of staff as is. If some are just going to redo GTA on ps3, that takes away from those who could be doing ps4. My guess is GTA won't come this year. If it does, it's late in the year and the finale takes place early 2017 with the full GTSport, not the beta.

Again, GT on PS4 is supposed to be playable by the public any time now, if they're on time. They should have something to base GTA off for PS4, as the did with the GT6 demo in 2013. That they're working on it for PS3 to me suggests they don't.

I keep seeing this "on time". But where is the final release date? They gave vague words on a timeline for release, "early 2016" or "spring"? It's April now, still 'early' 2016. And Spring starts March 20 (about a month ago) and ends June 19. Early? First half? What are these words from PD? For years now they're meaningless as a concrete date. Even with an exact date it's still not 100%

GTA fits far more into the new theme of motorsport and racing than it ever did in the 'old' GT formula. I don't think anyone is going to suggest a competition of that kind is out of place in a motorsports driven game. Plus it could be bundled together for ease but completely separate once you load the game.

They're going with the FIA collaboration in GTS. So maybe the GTA takes a back seat. There's been questions over it's continuation as well with the departure of Cox. No one said it was out of place. I said they may be doing it over just like GTS is supposed to be a new format to GT.

 

[ImaRobot]

I keep seeing this "on time". But where is the final release date? They gave vague words on a timeline for release, "early 2016" or "spring"? It's April now, still 'early' 2016. And Spring starts March 20 (about a month ago) and ends June 19. Early? First half? What are these words from PD? For years now they're meaningless as a concrete date. Even with an exact date it's still not 100%

Whether it was vague or not, the window for the statement is coming to a close. If something states "Coming this summer to a theater near you!" but doesn't show up until the Winter, then it is still late going off the window they gave. They never said spring, so we'll go off what they actually wrote, which was Early 2016. Samus' statement leaves the window open for them to still hit the mark that they themselves gave, he is not counting it out just yet, but the hope sure is dwindling. Either way, you are doing them no favors by trying to post a counterpoint against a concern about a timeline, only to undermine it completely by saying that it's even hard to trust them when they do give out hard dates.

 

[05XR8]

Regarding GT Academy, the GTPlanet news article here mentions that the entire format has changed for this year. The article is says that:


Am I wrong in assuming that this is for the entire competition and not just Egypt? If this is the case, wouldn't it make sense if PD used existing GT6 pods at these live events?

I forgot about that. All we need are for GTA players in Egypt or anywhere else, to confirm.

 

[Soundtrack]

Am I wrong in assuming that this is for the entire competition and not just Egypt? If this is the case, wouldn't it make sense if PD used existing GT6 pods at these live events?

Recruitment Stage has taken the form of Live Events in the past it seems. They're not exclusive to Egypt but nothing confirms them as the only solution for this year...

 

[Scaff]

Aren't you manipulating yourself avens. That FB message says exactly what is typed in it.
If you read it, you will in end get what Zlork say.
If I'm reading a book, should I beginning to manipulating the words in the book to know what is typed down in it, and to understand what the book is about.
I'm confused what you claim being the opposite. I read like this-"we will use the beta to testing, and receive feedback from players, playing the beta, and use the feedback to make changes along the way to perfection the ending product before releasing the final GT Sport". Simple as the writing words in the message.
And they will also use the "Beta", to test the servers!...

Actually those two phases normally (for Sony) are carried out separately.

The software itself it beta tested for bugs, game balance and core stability in a closed beta a good 6 months from release, this is normally a closed or internal beta and doesn't include enough people to realistically carry out any true load test on the net-code or servers. Server load betas are then normally used much closer to launch (as net-code and servers can be tweaked semi-independently of the core software) and normally start with a closed beta that then rolls into a public beta, at this stage its is extremely rare for a change to be made to the core game without it resulting in a delay (and that would always occur during the closed phase).

To date no closed beta for any PS4 GT title has been carried out in Europe, nor has one been announced.

 

[GT6champNK_69]

Actually those two phases normally (for Sony) are carried out separately.

The software itself it beta tested for bugs, game balance and core stability in a closed beta a good 6 months from release, this is normally a closed or internal beta and doesn't include enough people to realistically carry out any true load test on the net-code or servers. Server load betas are then normally used much closer to launch (as net-code and servers can be tweaked semi-independently of the core software) and normally start with a closed beta that then rolls into a public beta, at this stage its is extremely rare for a change to be made to the core game without it resulting in a delay (and that would always occur during the closed phase).

To date no closed beta for any PS4 GT title has been carried out in Europe, nor has one been announced.

I follow your point scaff, it's not that I think they will change anything of the core itself really, I think that they have a clear idea of using the "Beta", to use the players feedback to fine tune things that are good, but needs to be getting the final touches, just like Project Cars did.
It's just my personal theory, out from that FB message, and what I have received myself from asking PD about GT Sport. Still I hold to my statement above.
I think that GT Sport will knock our feet down, being the best racing game ever

 

[super_gt]

I think that GT Sport will knock our feet down, being the best racing game ever

In terms of physics it will be very hard.

 

[dimassa19]

In terms of physics it will be very hard.

Do you know anything?

 

[super_gt]

Do you know anything?

No

 

[GTEFGHA]

This tread will reach 200 pages before the beta drops... (I hope not)

 

[Halcyon925]

This tread will reach 200 pages before the beta drops... (I hope not)

 

[trustjab]

Whether it was vague or not, the window for the statement is coming to a close. If something states "Coming this summer to a theater near you!" but doesn't show up until the Winter, then it is still late going off the window they gave. They never said spring, so we'll go off what they actually wrote, which was Early 2016. Samus' statement leaves the window open for them to still hit the mark that they themselves gave, he is not counting it out just yet, but the hope sure is dwindling. Either way, you are doing them no favors by trying to post a counterpoint against a concern about a timeline, only to undermine it completely by saying that it's even hard to trust them when they do give out hard dates.

Yeah, if you got out of my comment that I'm trying to "do them favors" by "posting a counterpoint against a concern on timeline" you missed my point completely. My comment was a rebuttal to Samus's reply; originally about believing words from PD and words from facebook vs words from Nismo's streamer and if GTA for 2016(?) is on ps3, that'd stretch thin their already thinly stretched staff for GTS.

I'm not surprised, this thread seems argumentative, that's why I usually don't post here. I watched that blancpain race on Nismo tv and must have missed that comment, that's what made me comment in the first place.

 

[Cobra2245]

To be honest, I'm not quite feeling GTS any more. I had high hopes for it all the way back in October, but I feel like someone (Kaz, PD itself) has lost interest in the franchise or something. I mean, if they are falling behind schedule, it would be a bit more helpful to hear a progress report or something so we all know PD is actually working on things.

GT6 hasn't had any type of updates for a while now – months at this point. I'm not feeling at all certain that GTS will be a great game, either – especially since we've waited and waited for several months, but not much has been said about either game.

 

[ImaRobot]

Yeah, if you got out of my comment that I'm trying to "do them favors" by "posting a counterpoint against a concern on timeline" you missed my point completely. My comment was a rebuttal to Samus's reply; originally about believing words from PD and words from facebook vs words from Nismo's streamer and if GTA for 2016(?) is on ps3, that'd stretch thin their already thinly stretched staff for GTS.

I'm not surprised, this thread seems argumentative, that's why I usually don't post here. I watched that blancpain race on Nismo tv and must have missed that comment, that's what made me comment in the first place.

Yes.. I knew you weren't literally trying to do them favors, Its just a phrase.

 

[Robbks]

Checking my calendar it's almost summer.

Why do PD time and again miss all their public deadlines?

No, It's almost winter.....
SO they've got another 6 months

 

[Samus]

PD have never uttered or written the word Spring in regards to the beta. Not once.

 

[Soundtrack]

Only the publisher of the game did, and just recently one of it's top executives is seemingly confirming the game is still on track for a 2016 release...

 

[TokoTurismo]

They say that, but the main question should be when?

 

[Imari]

Only the publisher of the game did, and just recently one of it's top executives is seemingly confirming the game is still on track for a 2016 release...

Isn't it interesting how the developer and the publisher seem to have differing expectations for the game? I wonder how that will turn out?