Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[MXH]

In France, spring will end June 21st.

In South Africa, Spring ends mid-October.

 

[88GTA]

Recruitment Stage has taken the form of Live Events in the past it seems. They're not exclusive to Egypt but nothing confirms them as the only solution for this year...

Yes I was aware of that but it seems we have missed the point of the article. It specifically states that the GT Academy format we are used to, which "has been available to players at home, either as a free, downloadable standalone, or from within a current Gran Turismo title" is at jeopardy this year. I read the article assuming this was the case for the entire competition and not just Egypt.

The Nismo rep saying that the Academy will be on PS3 this year could be referring to the GT6 pods which will be at the live events.

 

[Samus]

GT PR is going really well as long as we, bunch of dudes, talk about it and speculating and waiting for some news or actual game. They make silence about em, but when it comes out, GTplanet will explode.

This is a GT dedicated forum though, I imagine there would still be discussion here without a game for 6 years, never mind 6 months. The rest of the internet/world however are not talking about the game, it's not on many most wanted lists or near the top of the discussion list in general gaming sites.

Mind you even this forum has slowed down a lot over the last couple of months, it's really on this thread and a couple others being posted in.

 

[ron86]

Actually I pick the one that google sends me to when I search for it from the UK; so rather than cry foul, remember that I'm not the one putting these claims in the public domain!

But do explain the logic of why, I as a consumer, should be expected to gather information from three separate Sony/PD websites (for the same game) and then compare and contrast them to a Japanese to English translation to find out which one is accurate?

As I find it rather odd that people get accused of bias for using Sony and PD as a source for information about a first party Sony title developed by PD, who else is supposed to be supplying accurate information on GT?

That Sony and PD can't align a common marketing position for a Sony product doesn't lie at any door other than Sony and PDs, no matter how much you seem to want to use it as a tool to cry foul.

You, as a GT Planet member more than a regular customer, do know the different marketing phrases as you get them presented here GT Planet.

But you play the nothing knowing customer that all he has read about GT is at the official UK GT site, ignoring what kaz himself said at the presentation or what the other language GT sites say. And of course stick to it, because thats the only thing you ever heard of the new GT.

Huh?

I asked GT over FB if they can tell me something about the number of tracks to expect.

They answered: "Hi Ronald, can't tell about the number of tracks, it's part of the next announcement."

 

[jm79]

You, as a GT Planet member more than a regular customer, do know the different marketing phrases as you get them presented here GT Planet.

But you play the nothing knowing customer that all he has read about GT is at the official UK GT site, ignoring what kaz himself said at the presentation or what the other language GT sites say. And of course stick to it, because thats the only thing you ever heard of the new GT.



I asked GT over FB if they can tell me something about the number of tracks to expect.

They answered: "Hi Ronald, can't tell about the number of tracks, it's part of the next announcement."

I aint a mod, but you seem very close to trolling, my Austrian friend.

 

[Scaff]

You, as a GT Planet member more than a regular customer, do know the different marketing phrases as you get them presented here GT Planet.

Actual no I didn't. Mainly because being a GT Planet member doesn't automatically mean that I must hunt down every word that is uttered by Sony and PD in regard to GT

But you play the nothing knowing customer that all he has read about GT is at the official UK GT site, ignoring what kaz himself said at the presentation or what the other language GT sites say. And of course stick to it, because thats the only thing you ever heard of the new GT.

OK, so its OK for Sony and PD to mislead the vast majority of potential GT customers and to expect those that do follow the series to engage in a weird treasure hunt to discover what information they put out is accurate and what isn't.

I'm sorry but your 'argument' (and I use that term loosely) on this makes no sense at all, regardless of if someone is a hard-core follower of the series or a newcomer to it (or anything in between) the information presented by Sony and PD on the official websites for the title should be both consistent across all markets and accurate.

 

[ron86]

I aint a mod, but you seem very close to trolling, my Austrian friend.

Hey my spanish friend, i dont think my posts count as trolling, but if mods would say so i would of course accept it.

Actual no I didn't. Mainly because being a GT Planet member doesn't automatically mean that I must hunt down every word that is uttered by Sony and PD in regard to GT



OK, so its OK for Sony and PD to mislead the vast majority of potential GT customers and to expect those that do follow the series to engage in a weird treasure hunt to discover what information they put out is accurate and what isn't.

I'm sorry but your 'argument' (and I use that term loosely) on this makes no sense at all, regardless of if someone is a hard-core follower of the series or a newcomer to it (or anything in between) the information presented by Sony and PD on the official websites for the title should be both consistent across all markets and accurate.

Ok, dont let us begin yet another useless discussion. It was my fault to begin with this, so, everything's fine.

Well, at least we're friends!

 

[jm79]

Hey my spanish friend, i dont think my posts count as trolling, but if mods would say so i would of course accept it.

Well, at least we're friends!

 

[Soundtrack]

Yes I was aware of that but it seems we have missed the point of the article. It specifically states that the GT Academy format we are used to, which "has been available to players at home, either as a free, downloadable standalone, or from within a current Gran Turismo title" is at jeopardy this year. I read the article assuming this was the case for the entire competition and not just Egypt.

The Nismo rep saying that the Academy will be on PS3 this year could be referring to the GT6 pods which will be at the live events.

There is nothing in the article that reads as a definitive statement. They could effectively use existing pods for preliminary selections (as they have in the past) but other possibilities do not appear like being completely excluded. At least that is how I understand it.

OK, so its OK for Sony and PD to mislead the vast majority of potential GT customers and to expect those that do follow the series to engage in a weird treasure hunt to discover what information they put out is accurate and what isn't.

The bits and pieces are lacking formal accuracy indeed, but PSVR, a substantial console revision, the pending future of GT Academy,... supposedly all part of the equation could have implied different scenarios where still discussed/on the table back in october. As far as superlatives are concerned, they should be taken with a pinch of salt anyway.

 

[Scaff]

Ok, dont let us begin yet another useless discussion. It was my fault to begin with this, so, everything's fine.

I've not assigned any blame to you so I'm not sure why the passive aggressive reply is really needed.

The fault lies at Sony and PD's door, they are the ones that are unable to put a cohesive and consistently accurate marketing campaign in place, not you, me or any other potential consumer.

The bits and pieces are lacking formal accuracy indeed, but PSVR, a substantial console revision, the pending future of GT Academy,... supposedly all part of the equation could have implied different scenarios where still discussed/on the table back in october.

And none of which we have any detail on at all in regard to GT from either Sony or PD.

As far as superlatives are concerned, they should be taken with a pinch of salt anyway.

I have (hence my point about marketing fluff), however the GB site is quite clear in what it presents and to be honest I don't take such claims as being even remotely likely myself. However the average consumer may well do so, and regardless of how others may see it, I don't think that deception is a good marketing policy (regardless of how it originated).

 

[ron86]

I've not assigned any blame to you so I'm not sure why the passive aggressive reply is really needed.

The fault lies at Sony and PD's door, they are the ones that are unable to put a cohesive and consistently accurate marketing campaign in place, not you, me or any other potential consumer.

It wasnt meant to sound passive aggressive as i just didnt want to start another big discussion without an end. And it was my fault by posting "people pick the phrase they want to rant afterwards" and starting another discussion with that.

So, let everything be fine.

 

[Imari]

In this particular case the publisher is seemingly giving the developer some room…extra polishing time maybe?

So the publisher doesn't trust the developer's dates, and are extending them because they believe that the developer will need the extra time. And they're not even discussing this with the developer and coming to an agreement that both of them will use the same date, they're going behind each other's backs.

That's confidence inspiring. Not that it isn't necessarily true, just that it doesn't really help anyone feel better if the publishers themselves don't trust Polyphony's dates.

Still, if that is true it looks like they nailed it.

By the way I don't remember any date being pulled for the release date, only a few terms open to interpretation...

My fault for being unclear, when I said release I'm talking about beta release dates, the only thing for which we have a reasonably solid timeframe.

The full game is supposedly 2016, but it's presumably end of 2016 and at this sort of distance that could easily push into 2017. If they make the call to push the full release into next year after the beta closes then that will be totally reasonable, they should at that point have a fair idea of the amount of work required and the time needed. Any date for the full release should be considered tentative for now. I think there will be plenty of time to discuss the full release once we get done with the beta.

On the other hand, the developer's idea of the beta release window ends in four days. Once we're out of that, there's then somewhere between a month and a month and a half until the end of spring and E3. If there's nothing after E3, I'd say we're all :censored:ed.

 

[Soundtrack]

I have (hence my point about marketing fluff), however the GB site is quite clear in what it presents and to be honest I don't take such claims as being even remotely likely myself. However the average consumer may well do so, and regardless of how others may see it, I don't think that deception is a good marketing policy (regardless of how it originated).

The prospective of a PS4 landscape dichotomy is, IMHO, a lot more worrying than the lack of GT news at this point. Of course, considering one is a flagship software historically upholding the success of the other, both could be intimately tied.

A very interesting question was raised in the Philippe Cardon interview; roughly : Does Playstation VR require a more powerful console? PS4 was developed for being VR compatible. But in a console lifecycle, R&D teams always work on improvements. The actual PS4 is a few years old now. It is normal to think about it's update. However I don't have further information to share.

Seemingly there is an elephant in the room here, better discuss the possible meaning and misguiding of early…

 

[TJC_69]

I'm predicting between pages 350-400 here as to when we'll have gameplay footage from GTS or some new information on in game features.

Then between pages 650-750 for Beta launch day, assuming that's still going ahead.

Anyone else thinking along those lines?

 

[Soundtrack]

So the publisher doesn't trust the developer's dates, and are extending them because they believe that the developer will need the extra time.

You where suggesting the publisher could force a release of an unfinished game, just underlined it didn't match with the fact Sony's timeframe was giving PD more room. The polishing was just a suggestion. There is no evidence leading to believe Sony doesn't trust PD capabilities unless the company went under an undisclosed deep reorganisation. As pointed earlier, given the cluttered pipeline it is entirely possible multiple scenarios where considered. A vague early2016/ first season/ spring could have therefore been their best option. No reason to see them as conflicting.

 

[Losco]

Is the total absence of news that is not fair. Early 2016 is over. I'm afraid Driving games are not much considered.
Gran Turismo is one of the bigger (or the biggest) driving franchise, and we don't know anything yet.
Uncharted, Cod and other types of games wouldn't never ever received such a bad treatment.

Sad but true.

 

[Samus]

I know this is all rather pointless :censored:chatting while we've got nothing better to do but remember that 'Spring' was written on the PS Blog within hours of the announcement. There is no exclusive information in the blog, it's all paraphrased from what was said on stage, complete with the "most realistic ever" statement minus the Gran Turismo qualifier. So, it got that wrong for a start.

They've never to my knowledge repeated that 'Spring' date ANYWHERE since October 27th 2015. The game simply does not exist on the US Playstation site beyond that blog post and on the EU site the page for the game can only be found via a manual search. I don't know about other regions.

What is my point? Clearly that blog was written in haste and in an almost chinese whisper type format.

Sony, as a company, have not directly stated the date for the beta and as I say, have nothing on their websites. The only company with a present, updated web page stating a date are PD, and as we know, that remains as 'Early 2016', exactly what was said on stage.

In short, the 'Spring' date really doesn't hold much weight for me at all. PD make the game and on stage Kaz (via translator) said "Early next year". Their web site says the same.




They're very close to missing that deadline.

 

[super_gt]

The atmosphere became very tense, let's take a break for a little humor

 

[queleuleu]

5 months with no news and not even an article on mainstream media. I think it's another proof that GT is not considered anymore as a big game like Uncharted or Fifa.

Edit : 6 months!! Half a year and I don't find articles like "where is gran turismo?". People just don't care

 

[jm79]

5 months with no news and not even an article on mainstream media. I think it's another proof that GT is not considered anymore as a big game like Uncharted or Fifa.

Edit : 6 months!! Half a year and I don't find articles like "where is gran turismo?". People just don't care

Yeah I always check Eurogamer for something GT-related, but nada.

If there was a PD-style announce/silence for any other big/medium/small franchise, there would be some reporting on it, but nothing. Very strange.

 

[JKgo]

The atmosphere became very tense, let's take a break for a little humor

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...If I become half as good looking as George Clooney by waiting, then hell, I wouldn't mind waiting for another six, seven months!!!

 

[Soundtrack]

Sony, as a company, have not directly stated the date for the beta and as I say, have nothing on their websites.

The Playstation Blog is part of the Playstation Network and is available via the Playstation app developed by Playstation Mobile Inc. All owned by Sony. Thinking that a SIEE executive responsible of Gran Turismo's biggest market is posting on their blog from a last minute briefing sounds curious to say the least. Specifically as the game was unveiled in Europe to start with. Neither Sony's blog post nor PD's GTS webpage have been updated since October IIRC.

 

[Imari]

You where suggesting the publisher could force a release of an unfinished game...

They can. We've seen it happen.

Arguably it happened twice, because the deadline for GT6 was probably imposed by Sony as well given that it was the final holiday season for decent PS3 sales. In all likelihood they told Polyphony "You ship before December come hell or high water. We don't care how much of a game you have, get it done."

I don't think any developer with any sense of self-respect willingly ships a game in the state that GT5 1.0 or GT6 1.0 were in. They may suck at doing it in a lot of ways ("our sounds are too perfect") but I do believe that Polyphony make an effort to produce the best quality game that they can.

...just underlined it didn't match with the fact Sony's timeframe was giving PD more room.

Remember GT5? "We can release any time we want?" My hairy knackers they could.

There is no evidence leading to believe Sony doesn't trust PD capabilities unless the company went under an undisclosed deep reorganisation.

No, there isn't, but it's not exactly a rosier picture than Polyphony straight up being slow.

Basically any reasonable explanation I can think of for the current state of affairs is bad for the eventual release of GTS. There is nothing particularly positive to be read into six months of radio silence after the first trailer and missing the developer's release window for an open beta.

A vague early2016/ first season/ spring could have therefore been their best option. No reason to see them as conflicting.

It could have been, but they are conflicting because they do not entirely overlap. To view them as not conflicting would be to have the beta release targeted in the period in which they overlap, ie. March or April. That's almost certainly not going to happen, and so they conflict.

At this point, the only way they don't conflict is by ignoring Polyphony's release date entirely.

 

[Soundtrack]

You make it quite clear that bad is the only state of affair you can reasonably consider Gran Turismo, no problem.

The amount of overlap is up to a subjective interpretation I believe. I don't see "First season" and "Spring" as particularly conflicting…

 

[queleuleu]

Yeah I always check Eurogamer for something GT-related, but nada.

If there was a PD-style announce/silence for any other big/medium/small franchise, there would be some reporting on it, but nothing. Very strange.

Nowadays kids play COD, Fifa and GTA online, the racing genre is dying and Poly is stuck in the 90's. Could explain why there is no hype for gtsport.

 

[Greatbee]

Nowadays kids play COD, Fifa and GTA online, the racing genre is dying and Poly is stuck in the 90's. Could explain why there is no hype for gtsport.

Gran Turismo is not a kids game first of all, if You describe it. Second, the game is not for all, its made for those who loves cars, loves every details about it, enjoying real life simulation. This game is loved and will be loved. Real GT funs always will be hyped for this franchise series...

 

[Titzon Toast]

Nowadays kids play COD, Fifa and GTA online, the racing genre is dying and Poly is stuck in the 90's. Could explain why there is no hype for gtsport.

The racing genre is dying?!
Project Cars.
Assetto Corsa.
Dirt Rally.
Forza 6.
And there's more besides.
Sales of racing peripherals have gone through the roof recently too.

 

[jm79]

Nowadays kids play COD, Fifa and GTA online, the racing genre is dying and Poly is stuck in the 90's. Could explain why there is no hype for gtsport.

I disagree - there are a lot of good racing game articles on Eurogamer. Just no GT.
Though you get the impression that the standard procedure for game sites is:

• Receive press release
• copy/paste press release

...so that could explain the lack of GT news. No reporters, just regurgitators.

And this 'all kids play COD/FIFA' thing is an exaggeration. I remember back in the day, football 'sims' always selling well. And people have also always loved killing things in videogames.

For me, the biggest threat to driving games, as a genre, is the proliferation of open-world games with sizeable and impressive driving components. GTA 3 is mainly to blame for this, but you could also argue Driver too, perhaps.
I remember feeling a little restricted in the latest Need for Speed, for example, in not being able to get out of the car and do 'other stuff', because it felt just like GTA but without all the other gameplay. And thus, a bit crap and empty.

Driving games, and this is where I think (hope) GTS will excel, is that it will (hopefully, again!) cater exclusively to the motorsport competition aspect. And this obvious marketing difference will perhaps make it stand out clearly in the minds of the gaming public at large, not just GTP dwellers, and will boost sales as a result.

All in my humble, hopeful, ignorant opinion, of course.

 

[Losco]

The racing genre is dying?!
Project Cars.
Assetto Corsa.
Dirt Rally.
Forza 6.
And there's more besides.
Sales of racing peripherals have gone through the roof recently too.

Yes is dying. No one of the titles you mentioned is an Arcade Racing or a hybrid sim. There's a lot of people who doesnt like hyper realistic sims.
Forza Horizon 2 on Xone and DriveClub on PS4, that's all. It's a very poor offer comparised with older gen consoles (Ps1/2/3).

 

[queleuleu]

Gran Turismo is not a kids game first of all, if You describe it. Second, the game is not for all, its made for those who loves cars, loves every details about it, enjoying real life simulation. This game is loved and will be loved. Real GT funs always will be hyped for this franchise series...

Nope, sorry. GT1 was fast, fun and for a kid it had a mysterious aura (Dealership music, the Nsx in the backgroubd with purple atmosphere). Gt6 for instance is slow, weird and not even challenging. It has a different charm but I don't think a kid like it.