Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[JKgo]

Conspiracy confirmed, start the hype train, don't forget the E85 too.

...Now here's a coincidence if I ever ran into one: you talking about conspiracies and coupling it with a mug of Reggie and Kaz (Hirai). This week's Gamescoop on IGN had a fan theory segment, and there was this one guy who wrote in and said....

Spoiler: tin foil hat time.

PS4 NEO actually stands for PS4 NintEndO.

....You are not that guy, are you?

 

[Aiko_Mac]

...Now here's a coincidence if I ever ran into one: you talking about conspiracies and coupling it with a mug of Reggie and Kaz (Hirai). This week's Gamescoop on IGN had a fan theory segment, and there was this one guy who wrote in and said....

Spoiler: tin foil hat time.

PS4 NEO actually stands for PS4 NintEndO.

....You are not that guy, are you?

You might be on to something.

 

[gtracedriver1]

I wasn't.

I was talking about PD's track record of development on the PS3, a conversation you attempted to shut down with some inaccurate claims.

I disagree, given that PD has access to the PS3 (and PS4 for that matter) as a first party dev with a studio head on the SCE board they has access far higher than any other dev making a racing title.

PD chose to focus on the design areas they did and as such butted heads with the limitations of the platform, I personally thing that other (third party devs) took a far more pragmatic route and ended up with titles that didn't suffer as much from the technical limits as GT5 and to a lesser degree GT6 did.

I can.

Let me be blunt, PD will have had access to the PS4 long before any 3rd party dev and will potentially have had input on it as a platform, yet three years since launch (and potentially five to six since PD first knew of the PS4) down the line we still have a single, non game play, video from PD. While from SMS and Codemasters we have a released and supported game that has been out for nearly a year and a game that hits 60fps and 1080 that has been ported over from the PC in less than a year (while development on the PC version was ongoing)!

They are already doing worse than both SMS and Codemaster (and arguably Milestone and KS).


So PD dropping a feature before GTS even releases (the beta) is a good sign?

Do you not remember what state GT6 released in when PD tried that approach, or is waiting two years for all of the features that were promised for launch a measure of success in your view?

SMS and codies could only get the game to work on 30fps PS3 yet GT5 and GT6 looks on par if not better and the game runs twice as fast on PS3. So I cannot believe why some people still think that PS4 version of GTS will be any worse than Pcars and F1 2015. I had be worried if those game were still doing 30fps. But since those guys are going for 60fps. Logic says Polyphony should not have probs 💡 Also it has been discussed 100times already GT6 was released 3yrs ago so GTS releasing this year sounds about right. I am glad they wasted no time in porting GT6 to PS4 and instead went for a new game.

Anyways you have already made up your mind about Polyphony so nothing is going to change that I am sure.

 

[Johnnypenso]

SMS and codies could only get the game to work on 30fps PS3 yet GT5 and GT6 looks on par if not better and the game runs twice as fast on PS3. So I cannot believe why some people still think that PS4 version of GTS will be any worse than Pcars and F1 2015. I had be worried if those game were still doing 30fps. But since those guys are going for 60fps. Logic says Polyphony should not have probs 💡 Also it has been discussed 100times already GT6 was released 3yrs ago so GTS releasing this year sounds about right. I am glad they wasted no time in porting GT6 to PS4 and instead went for a new game.

Anyways you have already made up your mind about Polyphony so nothing is going to change that I am sure.

We don't know if GTSport to PCars is an apples to apples comparison do we? Project Cars has been very ambitious with their car count for example and to do that they sacrificed the poly count in the cars to some degree. If PD wants to go with 250K as DriveClub did or maybe even 500K you might be right back to a 16 car grid, no standing starts and cars spread out by 30 seconds in order to get nail 60 fps most of the time.

 

[gtracedriver1]

Yes we do not know that but we will get this level of gfx. Honestly speaking this looks great even today



Having better textures, shadows and may be improved reflection will have a big impact I am sure.

 

[unit-one]

Less than a month left!

 

[Soundtrack]

The way I understand it to work is that the console/game has to produce a native 60 fps and then it's further processed to generate an additional frame between each frame to get the framerate up to 120 fps. The middle frame is interpolated between 2 frames which makes it easier on the hardware than generating a raw 120 fps but still harder than producing 60fps. How much harder we don't know.

With 90Hz seemingly the sweet spot, aiming at a raw 120fps could, in theory at least, be a bit overkill. Not excluding that some of the more graphically uncluttered games could give it a try of course, even on the Base PS4 possibly.

 

[Quakebass]

I wonder if the hinting of info in May has anything to do with this:

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/04/29/road-to-greatness-returns-tours-across-the-u-s/

It would seem at this point if PD wants to make a big deal out of GT Sport they should just wait till E3, otherwise the announcement may feel watered down, but we'll see what happens.

 

[Scaff]

SMS and codies could only get the game to work on 30fps PS3 yet GT5 and GT6 looks on par if not better and the game runs twice as fast on PS3.

I doesn't matter how many times you say that it's not going to make it true.

GT 5 & 6 hit 60fps under very specific limitations, the rest of the time the frame rate was highly variable.

So I cannot believe why some people still think that PS4 version of GTS will be any worse than Pcars and F1 2015.

Because you insist on believing was isn't true and using it a central core of your argument.

I had be worried if those game were still doing 30fps. But since those guys are going for 60fps. Logic says Polyphony should not have probs 💡

The problem is that your logic is based on a faulty assumption.

Also it has been discussed 100times already GT6 was released 3yrs ago so GTS releasing this year sounds about right. I am glad they wasted no time in porting GT6 to PS4 and instead went for a new game.

And that has what to do with it? Did CM not develop and release titles on the PS3?

Anyways you have already made up your mind about Polyphony so nothing is going to change that I am sure.

You don't speak for me, so don't make assumptions about what I think, you will only end up looking foolish.

 

[Greatbee]

Welcome to May, it should be great month for GT funs, I believe..

 

[Laffinassasin]

Welcome to May, it should be great month for GT funs, I believe..

Is this just a feeling you have or do you know something?

If May is the month then all we have to go on is the GT6 reveal. A weeks? notice and 15th May.

 

[drummermaniac]

I doesn't matter how many times you say that it's not going to make it true.

GT 5 & 6 hit 60fps under very specific limitations, the rest of the time the frame rate was highly variable.

That's only true for GT6, GT5 runs most of the time at 60fps, 720p Mode with 4xMSAA, rain/snow (alpha effects ) conditions are other story...

And yes, competition on ps3 was considerably worse, sub-720p games with sub-30 fps gameplay and terrible AA.

 

[Greatbee]

Is this just a feeling you have or do you know something?

If May is the month then all we have to go on is the GT6 reveal. A weeks? notice and 15th May.

Just my feeling

 

[Samus]

That's only true for GT6, GT5 runs most of the time at 60fps, 720p Mode with 4xMSAA, rain/snow (alpha effects ) conditions are other story...

So it ran at 60fps as long as you lowered the resolution and didn't do anything too taxing? Hardly a glowing accomplishment, is it?

Not that what you said is even remotely true.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-gran-turismo-5-tech-analysis?page=3

Watch the entire video. It has framerate drops in both 720p mode driving 'normal' on all tracks, in the daytime with no weather. It spends more time below 60 than at it.

And yes, competition on ps3 was considerably worse, sub-720p games with sub-30 fps gameplay and terrible AA.

Which games would they be?

 

[Scaff]

That's only true for GT6, GT5 runs most of the time at 60fps, 720p Mode with 4xMSAA, rain/snow (alpha effects ) conditions are other story...

And yes, competition on ps3 was considerably worse, sub-720p games with sub-30 fps gameplay and terrible AA.

It was just as true for GT5 unless you want to be hideously selective.

 

[Streeto]

Well I just messaged them to find out if there will be an event in UK to reveal like GT6 but they won't say. Did get more information about time frame though: "Hi Saidur, I am afraid that is confidential information but we'll you'll hear from us soon, it's only a matter of max a couple of weeks or so now, fingers crossed."

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Hmm... seems fake, sounds more likely to be your grammar, not a Sony reps.

 

[GTEFGHA]

Hmm... seems fake, sounds more likely to be your grammar, not a Sony reps.

Well that's what they said to everyone, including me so even if he made it up it can't be far from truth.

 

[Streeto]

Well all I can say is I'd be happy to hear something this month, but I honestly (stupidly) thought we would actually be playing the beta by now...

 

[avens]

Today is the first day we've had news about GT Sport since its announcement: the beta was not released during the scheduled time.

Great.

 

[avens]

And BTW, people still wrongly stating GT5 and GT6 ran at 60 fps @ 1080p shows PD's marketing campaign actually works. We know that couldn't be farther from the truth, but people just go with what a box says.

Same with the car count (about 1/3 really count), GT Academy (more like Nissan Academy, a huge waste of resources and of PD's time, and only the first three ones were meaningful), "the real driving simulator" (when in fact GT5 and GT6 are some of the worst games of the subgenre of realistic looking racing games), and so on.

 

[azidahaka]

That's only true for GT6, GT5 runs most of the time at 60fps, 720p Mode with 4xMSAA, rain/snow (alpha effects ) conditions are other story...

And yes, competition on ps3 was considerably worse, sub-720p games with sub-30 fps gameplay and terrible AA.

I saw some analyses of in race behaviour and GT5 was sitting more around 45fps at 720p. And in cockpit cam it was way worse. Please let the argument be...

GT5 and gt6 were both a shame in fps compartment.

 

[Samus]

Daytime, no weather, rarely hits 60fps let alone maintains it.

 

[karelpipa]

Whats even worse than FPS are the bump sounds

 

[Greatbee]

Overall the game is smooth, I personally don't care by how much in some moments FPS drops down! lol
I most highly think that GT series is best series I played so far, and nothing gonna change my mind. )

 

[Samus]

Overall the game is smooth,

It's not though, a variable frame rate like that is literally the definition of not being smooth. You may not notice it or care, but it was there.

 

[PzR Slim]

Overall the game is smooth, I personally don't care by how much in some moments FPS drops down! lol
I most highly think that GT series is best series I played so far, and nothing gonna change my mind. )

That makes you a blind fanboy. And that is why you have zero credibility in this discussion. You would take anything that PDI served up and still think it was the best thing ever. That's not the response of a rational person.

 

[Greatbee]

I think its silly to talk about it at all. Always will be people who things the opposite. some likes white, some likes black. I like to play because of GT GAMEPLAY and it makes me fun, and thats all that matters to me personally.

 

[PzR Slim]

I think its silly to talk about it at all. Always will be people who things the opposite. some likes white, some likes black. I like to play because of GT GAMEPLAY and it makes me fun, and thats all that matters to me personally.

You're free to like whatever you want but to categorically state that nothing will change your mind doesn't do a lot for your credibility

 

[Greatbee]

And what You want to do with my credibility ..m? I see nothing that would bother me in GT series, that simple!

 

[TS050]

see nothing that would bother me in GT series, that simple!

What, even standard cars?

They were an embarrassment on last gen. Can you even imagine what it'll look like having 10 year old assets on a current gen game?