Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[TayeezSA]

Even Driveclub spec cosmetic damage with mechanical damage would be welcome.

 

[syntex123]

I mean, look at BeamNG. That's the pinnacle of damage

But that's softbody physics though. The cars don't have any strength in them, you would need to stiff it up 150% to be more realistic

 

[Bealdor]

I mean, look at BeamNG. That's the pinnacle of damage

BeamNG doesn't have licenced cars. They'd never be allowed to do this with real cars.

 

[jm79]

I respectfully disagree.

I would love to see fully realistic damage though. Would be incredible and completely transform the experience.

 

[syntex123]

BeamNG doesn't have licenced cars. They'd never be allowed to do this with real cars.

I said this a few months ago. I was flamed a lot for saying manufacturers don't want their cars destroyed like in BeamNG. haha

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

GTA V level of visual damage, sounds nice already.

 

[SimTourist]

Damage is really important, that livestream looked ridiculous because the players were bumping each other, going into walls and other ridiculous things. That diminishes both the excitement for the player and the viewer because the mistakes don't matter at all. In RL motorsport is exciting because the driver has to be careful in his driving, passing, strategy, etc. That's what makes it interesting, not just fast cars going in circles. One mistake could cost you the entire race even if you've been leading for the last few hours. Take that away and racing becomes very boring.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Actually, that now raises a question for me. Why didn't Polyphony work on visual damage when creating these new "super premium" cars? It makes no sense to work on brand new models and not consider visual damage.

 

[cashville770]

Damage is really important, that livestream looked ridiculous because the players were bumping each other, going into walls and other ridiculous things. That diminishes both the excitement for the player and the viewer because the mistakes don't matter at all. In RL motorsport is exciting because the driver has to be careful in his driving, passing, strategy, etc. That's what makes it interesting, not just fast cars going in circles. One mistake could cost you the entire race even if you've been leading for the last few hours. Take that away and racing becomes very boring.

I absolutely agree that's why forza outclasses every sim its not even close.

 

[dimassa19]

I would love to see fully realistic damage though. Would be incredible and completely transform the experience.

My dream: You crash? Game over, and you must pay credits for the damages...

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Damage is really important, that livestream looked ridiculous because the players were bumping each other, going into walls and other ridiculous things. That diminishes both the excitement for the player and the viewer because the mistakes don't matter at all. In RL motorsport is exciting because the driver has to be careful in his driving, passing, strategy, etc. That's what makes it interesting, not just fast cars going in circles. One mistake could cost you the entire race even if you've been leading for the last few hours. Take that away and racing becomes very boring.

This, especially with the focus on eSports. Without damage, there's not nearly as much risk involved.

Also, from a visual perspective, it's helpful to see damage to be able to assess other cars on the track easier. Coming up on a chicane, and see a car just off-track? You'll be able to better estimate what it's going to do, be it re-join or limp around, based on what condition it appears in.

 

[Downhill Dino]

My dream: You crash? Game over, and you must pay credits for the damages...

That was a feature in the games Shox, DT Racer, and SRS. I think there are 1 or 2 more but those are what I can remember off the top of my head.

 

[jm79]

My dream: You crash? Game over, and you must pay credits for the damages...

That could easily end up in the nightmarish realm of Real Racing on iOS

 

[PzR Slim]

I'd also add that damage shouldn't be limited to contact with cars and barriers. Riding kerbs or abusing the car in other ways should result in damage and affect performance.

 

[Samus]

Crash and it's over happens in a lot of other games, the GRID games for example.

BeamNG doesn't have licenced cars. They'd never be allowed to do this with real cars.

Correct. I posted in another thread but when it comes to most manufactures they have two basic requirements/restrictions. The passenger cell must not be deformed in any way and no major fires covering the whole car or again, the passenger area.

So no, whilst this is possible in real life crashes:

And fires like this (Image ok to post, nobody injured)

Manufactures don't want to see that in games. At least two developers have corroborated this, Kunos and SMS. I think Codemasters have said similar. Everything else is generally fair game.

 

[SimTourist]

I absolutely agree that's why forza outclasses every sim its not even close.

The damage in Forza 6 is not punishing enough and you have to really crash hard to disable your car, but it's possible.

 

[Tyger]

I always thought Forza has a good balance of cosmetic and mechanical damage. OK the cars are a little more robust than is realistic but if they were like those of Beam NG I think it would take out some of the enjoyment. It is after all a game, and we are not professional racing drivers. Beam NG's gimmick is the damage, giving a new slant on hooning it around (not a good deal else to it at the moment though). One would think manufacturers would agree on a damage model if it was effectively the same for all cars, eg. a Volvo would have the same structural rigidity as a Citroen.

 

[TurismoBad]

From how he said it it's probably just mechanical. Otherwise he would said "cosmetic and mechanical".

Probably something underwhelming anyway - think similar progress like with sound and AI.

 

[sems4arsenal]

It's one of the best things about watching iRacing races, no one does what we saw during the stream with people dive bombing to overtake, for a sim game it's a bit embarrassing.

 

[doblocruiser]

Who will go to 24h Nurburgring ?

With all those refineries on strike here in France I am happy when I make it to the supermarket ..and back...

 

[Samus]

GTA V level of visual damage, sounds nice already.

Where have you got that from?

 

[cashville770]

I'm glad that gt sport is a bad game it gives forza more room to take over the sim racing. forza 6 is already at 12 million sold.

 

[PzR Slim]

I'm glad that gt sport is a bad game it gives forza more room to take over the sim racing. forza 6 is already at 12 million sold.

Why would you be glad to be missing out on another fantastic racing experience? Surely the more great racing games we have the better?

 

[dimassa19]

That was a feature in the games Shox, DT Racer, and SRS. I think there are 1 or 2 more but those are what I can remember off the top of my head.

Fantastic! I did not know that already exists.

 

[Scaff]

I'm glad that gt sport is a bad game it gives forza more room to take over the sim racing. forza 6 is already at 12 million sold.

You've played it then?

 

[Toblakai99]

I'm glad that gt sport is a bad game it gives forza more room to take over the sim racing. forza 6 is already at 12 million sold.

How do you come to that conclusion gtsport is 6 months away.

 

[SimTourist]

I'm glad that gt sport is a bad game it gives forza more room to take over the sim racing. forza 6 is already at 12 million sold.

I'm not sure there's even 12 million xbox ones sold, lol.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Where have you got that from?

Grand Theft Auto 5 visual damage, mechanical level as well, tire blowout, wheels came off, engine fire .. exploding cars

The explosion won't go well with FIA scratch that.

 

[Rotorist]

Damage is really important, that livestream looked ridiculous because the players were bumping each other, going into walls and other ridiculous things. That diminishes both the excitement for the player and the viewer because the mistakes don't matter at all. In RL motorsport is exciting because the driver has to be careful in his driving, passing, strategy, etc. That's what makes it interesting, not just fast cars going in circles. One mistake could cost you the entire race even if you've been leading for the last few hours. Take that away and racing becomes very boring.

High level mechanical damage with some cosmetic would be more than enough to make racers more careful me thinks...

 

[cashville770]

You've played it then?

everything I seen so far screams gt6 2.0