Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[queleuleu]

I know, don't pay attention to the youtube comments section but almost every comments are critical. It's sad seeing so many people not hyped for this game even if I can understand them after GT5 and GT6. It's like a trend: let's bash GT.

 

[Grandea GTR]

I know, don't pay attention to the youtube comments section but almost every comments are critical. It's sad seeing so many people not hyped for this game even if I can understand them after GT5 and GT6. It's like a trend: let's bash GT.

The trend being "let's bash the game franchise that rivals our favourite." It's everywhere.

 

[bremics]

I know, don't pay attention to the youtube comments section but almost every comments are critical. It's sad seeing so many people not hyped for this game even if I can understand them after GT5 and GT6. It's like a trend: let's bash GT.

I was genuinely insulted after GT6.

I bought GT5 XL Edition for $20 new in the bargain bin at Shopper's Drug Mart after a 8 year hiatus from GT.

Beautiful intro video, bright colors, energetic and fun music, course maker, B-SPEC (I loved creating my own racers and watching them grow, felt like 80-90% of a team management simulator), so many cars which were practically thrown at me (I loved my free cars when I leveled), a ridiculous amount of tracks and the moment when I went away for a drink and came back to the amazing screensavers...

Obviously GT6 was going to be great (I wasn't around for the GT5 launch **** show), I looked around the Internet for more information about it, specifically for whether B-Spec was going to be in it, I don't remember the specific forum but the user had GTP in either his name or signature, said it was definitely in and not to doubt Kazu.

Dropped down $60... No intro movie. Grey and black menu with bare smidgens of color looking like some app shortcuts for some $0.50 app. Lifeless music. No B-Spec, course maker or leveling (mah free cars ). Damage? Removed.

It felt like I payed $60 for a couple dozen new cars (including duplicates) and in the process removed like 75% of the game. Then the two years of waiting for promised features that were supposed to be "coming soon after release". Or things that just didn't happen (new track a month, cars and a few features).

I was expecting a lot more after the same wait as in between GT5 and GT6 with over 300 "future proof" cars already.

I was genuinely hoping to be tempted to buy a PS4 just for GTS...

Now I suppose I wait for a bunch of people to yell at me for being negative. :/

 

[Grandea GTR]

I was genuinely insulted after GT6.

I bought GT5 XL Edition for $20 new in the bargain bin at Shopper's Drug Mart after a 8 year hiatus from GT.

Beautiful intro video, bright colors, energetic and fun music, course maker, B-SPEC (I loved creating my own racers and watching them grow, felt like 80-90% of a team management simulator), so many cars which were practically thrown at me (I loved my free cars when I leveled), a ridiculous amount of tracks and the moment when I went away for a drink and came back to the amazing screensavers...

Obviously GT6 was going to be great (I wasn't around for the GT5 launch **** show), I looked around the Internet for more information about it, specifically for whether B-Spec was going to be in it, I don't remember the specific forum but the user had GTP in either his name or signature, said it was definitely in and not to doubt Kazu.

Dropped down $60... No intro movie. Grey and black menu with bare smidgens of color looking like some app shortcuts for some $0.50 app. Lifeless music. No B-Spec, course maker or leveling (mah free cars ). Damage? Removed.

It felt like I payed $60 for a couple dozen new cars (including duplicates) and in the process removed like 75% of the game. Then the two years of waiting for promised features that were supposed to be "coming soon after release". Or things that just didn't happen (new track a month, cars and a few features).

I was expecting a lot more after the same wait as in between GT5 and GT6 with over 300 "future proof" cars already.

I was genuinely hoping to be tempted to buy a PS4 just for GTS...

Now I suppose I wait for a bunch of people to yell at me for being negative. :/

Or moreso say GT6 wasn't that bad, which I will say right now.

GT6 wasn't that bad.
To me at least.

 

[bremics]

Or moreso say GT6 wasn't that bad, which I will say right now.

GT6 wasn't that bad.
To me at least.

There has never been a bad Gran Turismo.

It just wasn't as good as the previous entry in a multitude of ways IMHO.

Basically to me it was at launch a stripped down version of GT5. Near identical car and track list, just tons of missing features and the UI looked so boring and cheap compared to all of the previous GTs.

It felt like paying $60 for less of the same.

The fact that they so quickly removed online didn't help. I can still play online in FM2.

 

[Grandea GTR]

The fact that they so quickly removed online didn't help.

You're referring to GT5, correct?

 

[bremics]

You're referring to GT5, correct?

Yep, my apologies if I wasn't clear.

 

[silverman_GT]

https://www.facebook.com/kazunori.yamauchi.58

Won't be long until Kaz shows up then. Unless if he actually had all the time in the world to document an FIA-sanctioned confrence on Snapchat alone.

Called it.

 

[eran0004]

I was genuinely insulted after GT6.

I bought GT5 XL Edition for $20 new in the bargain bin at Shopper's Drug Mart after a 8 year hiatus from GT.

Beautiful intro video, bright colors, energetic and fun music, course maker, B-SPEC (I loved creating my own racers and watching them grow, felt like 80-90% of a team management simulator), so many cars which were practically thrown at me (I loved my free cars when I leveled), a ridiculous amount of tracks and the moment when I went away for a drink and came back to the amazing screensavers...

Obviously GT6 was going to be great (I wasn't around for the GT5 launch **** show), I looked around the Internet for more information about it, specifically for whether B-Spec was going to be in it, I don't remember the specific forum but the user had GTP in either his name or signature, said it was definitely in and not to doubt Kazu.

Dropped down $60... No intro movie. Grey and black menu with bare smidgens of color looking like some app shortcuts for some $0.50 app. Lifeless music. No B-Spec, course maker or leveling (mah free cars ). Damage? Removed.

It felt like I payed $60 for a couple dozen new cars (including duplicates) and in the process removed like 75% of the game. Then the two years of waiting for promised features that were supposed to be "coming soon after release". Or things that just didn't happen (new track a month, cars and a few features).

I was expecting a lot more after the same wait as in between GT5 and GT6 with over 300 "future proof" cars already.

I was genuinely hoping to be tempted to buy a PS4 just for GTS...

Now I suppose I wait for a bunch of people to yell at me for being negative. :/

GT6 definitely has an intro movie. The main menu is not black and gray, but blue. It's also easier to navigate than the menu in GT5, which wasn't always predictable due to it's layout. Press left to go up, etc.

There is damage (improved, even) although only online. But wasn't it the same with GT5? Or are you talking about cosmetic damage? Because then it's available in every mode. It's just different from GT5. Instead of melting they get bumps and scratches.

B-spec is in there, although it's very different from GT5, and the course maker got a pretty fantastic upgrade. Yes it took a long time, but have you tried it?

The "couple of dozen" new cars are actually about 170, and then there's also a handful of standard cars that got new premium or semi-premium models.

Sure, you can moan about future proof cars, or you can accept the fact that the evolution of computers is exponential and what was cutting edge quality eight years ago isn't that anymore.

And at the end of the day, if you still have your PS3 you can always go back to play GT5. I still play some games from the early 2000's, you don't always have to get the latest and shiniest games.

 

[bremics]

GT6 definitely has an intro movie. The main menu is not black and gray, but blue. It's also easier to navigate than the menu in GT5, which wasn't always predictable due to it's layout. Press left to go up, etc.

There is damage (improved, even) although only online. But wasn't it the same with GT5? Or are you talking about cosmetic damage? Because then it's available in every mode. It's just different from GT5. Instead of melting they get bumps and scratches.

B-spec is in there, although it's very different from GT5, and the course maker got a pretty fantastic upgrade. Yes it took a long time, but have you tried it?

The "couple of dozen" new cars are actually about 170, and then there's also a handful of standard cars that got new premium or semi-premium models.

Sure, you can moan about future proof cars, or you can accept the fact that the evolution of computers is exponential and what was cutting edge quality eight years ago isn't that anymore.

And at the end of the day, if you still have your PS3 you can always go back to play GT5. I still play some games from the early 2000's, you don't always have to get the latest and shiniest games.

Where can I find the intro movie? Whenever I start it it goes from disclaimer to main menu.

I'll have to check the color, but I don't recall it being that much work to navigate, GT4 with its fun world screen was more confusing. In the end I don't mind wasting an extra 5 seconds for a much more interesting menu.

That would explain why I haven't seen any damage, I tried going online once because I was bored... It froze my PS3 and searching around on GTP I learned that it happens occasionally... And sometimes ****s your PS3 so bad you need a full reboot wiping all of your data.

Yes, B-SPEC was there... A year later and completely useless as I already finished career mode months earlier. Good for grinding like a wind and nothing else.

Course maker returned 2 years later... As an app. Tried it recently out of boredom but couldn't remember the my PS account password since I haven't used it since course maker came out and before that when I first bought my PS3. Couldn't bother since I honestly don't like the track layouts. The only location that felt like a track and not some random road in the middle of nowhere was Tokyo Bay.

I will admit that I might be wrong about the new cars, but I genuinely don't recall over a hundred new premiums.

So what you're saying is PD underestimated what needed to be done to future proof their car models?

I would keep GT5... If I didn't only have enough HD space for only one GT game at a time and don't feel like waiting over 6 hrs for it to download.

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The background is a really dark blue with weird floating balls. How did I forget that?

 

[Grandea GTR]

Where can I find the intro movie? Whenever I start it it goes from disclaimer to main menu.

Was the "Show Intro" option ticked off?

 

[bremics]

Was the "Show Intro" option ticked off?

Yep and I hate that delayed double save thing.

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And I know why I turned it off. The first minute/minute and a half is as boring as hell, weird silent documentary about Senna sorta and the VGT program with some of the least interesting orchestra music I've ever heard.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

And at the end of the day, if you still have your PS3 you can always go back to play GT5. I still play some games from the early 2000's, you don't always have to get the latest and shiniest games.

The problem is that GT5 is significantly crippled without online. The single player falls apart without seasonal events and an online car delearship to help players. Anyone who plays GT5 today will have to grind like a mad person to get what they want. This is thanks to how the UCD works and the credit pay off of events not being in proportion with the prices of cars in the game.

I remember playing GT5 before seasonals and the OCD existed. It was not fun. The best ways to make money back then was through unconventional methods. It was not uncommon for people to strap a pair of rubber bands to their DS3s and take the X2010 around Like the Wind Indy to let the car drive itself. Or to drift under the start/finish line at SSR7 in 200 lap online races thanks to a glitch. Abuse of the gift car system was popular before PD found out what people were using it for and limited its use. Online capability was the only thing saving GT5.

Gran Turismo 1-4 don't have these issues and I doubt GT6 will either once its servers gets shut down, since it doesn't have the same campaign design problems that GT5 did. Even with seasonal events gone, you can still grind Special Stage Route X in Like the Wind B-Spec to make quick money and all cars are available at all times.

 

[Samus]

At launch GT6 had about 90 new cars when you discount dupes like race cars, base models and two Huayras.

 

[TayeezSA]

PD pls



Gunma Cycle Center would be great. That or another Driving Park.

 

[silverman_GT]

PD pls



Gunma Cycle Center would be great. That or another Driving Park.

GT4 had the Gunsai Touge deep within its files. Only god knows why it isn't playable.

 

[outofspace]

I think he means GT Sport footage from Goodwood. A number of pods have been set up for the event.

Really; I haven't see any, that's great news!

 

[zzz_pt]

The trend being "let's bash the game franchise that rivals our favourite." It's everywhere.

True. And that's a shame. I can only praise the people who work on Forza, Assetto Corsa or PC.

It's like bashing 3 of your friends because you have one best-friend. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Tenacious D]

Considering how quick you were to falsely attribute a quote to @Samus – while quoting the post itself – I think it really is a problem.

• Another example, where you suggested a double standard is enforced at GTPlanet (despite zero evidence to back up the claim), because people had a different opinion to your own.
• Another example, where you determined an arbitrary sales figure was a genre-wide, champagne-popping goal, and did not understand the issue with that.
• Another example, where you got "your opinion should be silenced" by others posting their own. Where you took my suggestion that the Honda Element won't be missed by many as me not being aware of the Standards roster.
• Another example, where you misunderstood someone pointing out the "affordable" cars you love of the 90's were anything but, and somehow took it as them suggesting they could afford Italian exotics. As a funny aside, the tail end of this post, and what you want from the next GT game, is a particularly accurate bit of foreshadowing.
• Another example, more recent than the others. When told responding to others' differing opinions with insults is rude, you resort to... yep, you guessed it, an insult.

Here, I'll do it for you:



We could argue over what the meaning of the made-up word is, I suppose.

My original post on the subject (which wasn't even a response to you, it should be noted):



Right there, I've essentially said the same thing as you: that, sure, if people want a modern-911-shaped Group 3 competitor, a made-up RUF one would work, and hardly seem out of the norm for GT Sport, considering a rather large chunk of the known car lineup is made-up race cars.

You then took issue with the first sentence of that post – seemingly ignoring the rest of it – where I quite clearly stated I don't see Ruf as a replacement for all of Porsche. The rest of the post should drive that home.



Twist the meaning? Like suggesting Ruf is unworthy of consideration in Porsche's legacy? "Cheap substitutes"?

And your original post wasn't about how having Ruf in a racing game is better than nothing. It was about how, and I quote here, it 'works marvelously as a Porsche stunt double'.



Using words as they're meant to be used is not trolling. Consistently misrepresenting peoples' quotes, or resorting to insults when they don't share your opinion, is. You'd think a recent warning from the staff would be enough to clue you in.

So, for the final time: I like Ruf. I like Porsche. I fully believe the former is in no way a stand-in for the latter, and if anything, I find it unfortunate that so many look at it as simply a Porsche alternative when the license isn't available, instead of its own, unique, fascinating marque. I hope recent events regarding Porsche in the sim world means they're finally going to be available to all games, but I think GT Sport's focus on new cars only (so far) would lessen the impact of the marque if it were to be included in the game.

Slip, you truly baffle me. I have gone through your post links and assertions, and I'm failing to see a lot of connections to your assertions.

First of all, I fail to see how you dragging up old posts has any relevance to the subject, except to belittle me.

Second, only you would have a problem with me trying to correct a misunderstanding between myself and Samus. Only you. I would also mention that the poster Samus had addressed on the subject of Standards had the same understanding I did, which was why I made my original post. But I tried to set matters straight. I even LIKED his subsequent posts to indicate my submission to his wishes. I'm not sure what would make you happy.

Cheap substitutes?? WHAT cheap substitutes?? I would think that bringing up other racers who went through similar solutions when unable to provide Porsches for their customers would be apropos. Is that the wrong thing to do, mention similar situations with similar developers? I'm totally confused here.

But I tell you what. From now on when I want to discuss controversial subjects like RUF and Porsche here, I'll PM you for what the proper thinking is on the subject, because I don't want to go through these kind of conniptions again.

 

[TayeezSA]

Thanks to everyone for the Goodwood stream now. A lot of tasty motors out there!

@Tom man you have to teach me how to talk and drive, in game of course

I'm also happy to hear of the improvements on GTS. Really makes me wonder how much more the game will evolve until launch.

 

[Tom]

Thanks to everyone for the Goodwood stream now. A lot of tasty motors out there!

@Tom man you have to teach me how to talk and drive, in game of course

I'm also happy to hear of the improvements on GTS. Really makes me wonder how much more the game will evolve until launch.

You're more than welcome - thank you for watching it!

I really do hope that you all enjoyed the stream as much as we enjoyed creating it; it's a sincere pleasure every time and the feedback that you guys offer is fantastic. Needless to say, GT Sport definitely feels improved compared to the Copper Box and I'm hopeful that the further improvements in the coming months will most certainly be noticeable.

Anyway, thank you all once again - I just hope I wasn't speaking too quickly this time!

 

[gtracedriver1]

I was genuinely insulted after GT6.

I bought GT5 XL Edition for $20 new in the bargain bin at Shopper's Drug Mart after a 8 year hiatus from GT.

Beautiful intro video, bright colors, energetic and fun music, course maker, B-SPEC (I loved creating my own racers and watching them grow, felt like 80-90% of a team management simulator), so many cars which were practically thrown at me (I loved my free cars when I leveled), a ridiculous amount of tracks and the moment when I went away for a drink and came back to the amazing screensavers...

Obviously GT6 was going to be great (I wasn't around for the GT5 launch **** show), I looked around the Internet for more information about it, specifically for whether B-Spec was going to be in it, I don't remember the specific forum but the user had GTP in either his name or signature, said it was definitely in and not to doubt Kazu.

Dropped down $60... No intro movie. Grey and black menu with bare smidgens of color looking like some app shortcuts for some $0.50 app. Lifeless music. No B-Spec, course maker or leveling (mah free cars ). Damage? Removed.

It felt like I payed $60 for a couple dozen new cars (including duplicates) and in the process removed like 75% of the game. Then the two years of waiting for promised features that were supposed to be "coming soon after release". Or things that just didn't happen (new track a month, cars and a few features).

I was expecting a lot more after the same wait as in between GT5 and GT6 with over 300 "future proof" cars already.

I was genuinely hoping to be tempted to buy a PS4 just for GTS...

Now I suppose I wait for a bunch of people to yell at me for being negative. :/

I bought GT6 day1 and found it much better than GT5. I think I probably spend 300hrs in GT5 as well. Reached level40 in both A and Bspec and collected 1000cars for the rare silver trophy as well I could immediately tell the difference in car handling and uninstalled some 12gig of GT5. I did not go back to it although still have that game. I am limited on HDD on PS3. GT6 was shorter and not much grinding like GT5. Endurance events too were just 24mins I agree.

GTS looks more like GT6 type in SP mode. But I am sure I can get 300 odd hrs of gameplay still. GT5 had lot of grinding to do. I doubt how many people even reached level 25. I did not complete all the endurance events either. As long as game is good you can always get more time from a racing game than any other genre.

 

[Johnnypenso]

GTS looks more like GT6 type in SP mode. But I am sure I can get 300 odd hrs of gameplay still. GT5 had lot of grinding to do. I doubt how many people even reached level 25. I did not complete all the endurance events either. As long as game is good you can always get more time from a racing game than any other genre.

GTS looks more like GT6 in single player There is no traditional offline career in single player GTSport.

 

[thenardo55]

GTS looks more like GT6 type in SP mode. But I am sure I can get 300 odd hrs of gameplay still...

I thought Campaign Mode (a.k.a GT Mode replacement) in GTS will be just a huge tutorial / license test.

 

[Zlork]

Gamescom will take place between 17th and 21st August. We'll probably have news infos within 1 months

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Notice in last pic the buttons are on the exact same position on the steering wheel. Makes you wonder what they did during all these years if they merely cleaned some premiums... PD the real patience simulator.

Not quite, the AC toggle is in a different position than the original GT6 one

The road cars may all be pre-modded to various N specifications.

I don't see how they could be grouped like that if they were all still stock. Obviously those three cars there won't be in the same group but I imagine the Vette will be N500, the Focus N300 and the Mito N200, if the numbers are power related. The other road cars will have to be matched otherwise yeah, totally unbalanced racing in that class.

Also for an FIA officiated game...I'm so disappointed with the GR.1 class when I see the SRT space ships in screen shots with the Audi.

 

[UnkaD]

Also for an FIA officiated game...I'm so disappointed with the GR.1 class when I see the SRT space ships in screen shots with the Audi.

That's the Mazda. But yeah, you're right. Those Vision GT machines are massively out of place alongside racecars.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That's the Mazda. But yeah, you're right. Those Vision GT machines are massively out of place alongside racecars.

I'm not talking about that car, that's why I said screen shots meaning various ones that have been given. If you need a refresher, here is one.

In the end you got the point though, a dedicated P1 cars made in the spirit of a set of rules, compared to a car that was made in the mindset of nothing in the world can hold them back...

The Mazda is a bit more sensible but the Chaparral and SRT are a different entirely.

 

[Nato_777]

While the VGT's may look out of place, at least in GT Sport they are different to their GT6 counterparts in that they do adhere performance wise to the Group 1 set of rules.

 

[sparkytooth]

I'm fine with them as long as they're balanced.