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I think licensing cost would be much lesser than making the cars in game ( which requires many manhours, audio, physics, interior/exterior/damage modelling, testing etc )
Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion
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That's the thing, everyone's just guessing. However, licensing is a thing that varies. I could have sworn that the reason why T10 had a problem with Porsche was because of the cost, unless I'm mistaken. Although, that company could just be an anomaly.
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Staffing an extra 60 people to create new assets instead of flipping what you already have sure sounds like a company on the downscale.
It's hard to take some of you guys seriously sometimes. I question whether some people actually believe what they say to be true, or just hope it to be true. I personally think it's just blind ignorance. You do not take on people whilst at the same time take creative risks if the future of your company is in question. Especially when the format you have is a guaranteed seller. Nothing here points to a downscale of any kind. Nothing.
Well, six months of one mans wages plus the license of the car for a new asset versus a couple of days of wages plus the license for an old asset. It's obvious isn't it
But that won't stop the doom and gloomers.
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You're right, and I didn't disagree with you on that point.Staffing an extra 60 people to create new assets instead of flipping what you already have sure sounds like a company on the downscale.
Surely you don't need to be so confrontational all the time? I was just pointing out that licensing costs from cutting literally hundreds of Premiums as well as Standards(which double the amount of premiums. but do they license those out the same way as well? I'm unsure) could be an a considerable amount of money saved. How much and what the offset is compared to the hiring of additional staff is unknown to everyone at this point though, so any single guess is just as wrong as the next.
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I'd imagine licensing is generally cheaper these days than it was a decade or more ago – Porsche excepted, of course. It's just a guess, but surely car companies realize it's a fairly cheap form of advertising for them. If anything, they benefit more than the game developers do.
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I agree that there's no evidence of a company downsizing. That said, I do wonder if the massively different approach of GT Sport is a sign of a leaner budget compared to the massive one during GT5's development. The new game's comparatively tiny amount of content undoubtedly saves PD a lot of time and money versus the usual mega amounts. Plus, a great deal of the car list is fantasy cars, either of the VGT or LM variety: they don't have to spend the money sending teams around the globe and/or locating a suitable car to model, they can simply build it off existing models.
Could it be in response to the general downturn of sales for the genre as a whole? Or a response to GT6's (relatively) soft impact? Maybe it's not related at all, and GT Sport really just is the new direction Kaz wanted to take, unfettered by any outside influences.
But you raise the most interesting point: the team has expanded pretty significantly (over 40%). It's why, personally, I doubt this idea that there won't be a more typical GT game following GT Sport. They've brought on a huge amount of new talent: surely this game isn't all they've got to show us after over three years of work, right?
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I agree that there's no evidence of a company downsizing. That said, I do wonder if the massively different approach of GT Sport is a sign of a leaner budget compared to the massive one during GT5's development. The new game's comparatively tiny amount of content undoubtedly saves PD a lot of time and money versus the usual mega amounts. Plus, a great deal of the car list is fantasy cars, either of the VGT or LM variety: they don't have to spend the money sending teams around the globe and/or locating a suitable car to model, they can simply build it off existing models.
Could it be in response to the general downturn of sales for the genre as a whole? Or a response to GT6's (relatively) soft impact? Maybe it's not related at all, and GT Sport really just is the new direction Kaz wanted to take, unfettered by any outside influences.
But you raise the most interesting point: the team has expanded pretty significantly (over 40%). It's why, personally, I doubt this idea that there won't be a more typical GT game following GT Sport. They've brought on a huge amount of new talent: surely this game isn't all they've got to show us after over three years of work, right?
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I'm sorry but a lot of people (not squarely aimed at you btw so don't take it so personal) ignore the facts on offer here. The only facts on offer and like to wildly speculate to suit their own agendas.
All of the evidence actually points in the opposite direction. Anybody is free to speculate, I just like to use the facts as a base.
You are confusing the scope of this game with the scope of the company. Time is money, you have to pay your staff regardless of output so if you are hiring more people, that's more money. Which brings us full circle to the question of a company downscale. All the evidence says that's most definitely not the case.
I doubt it personally, another Prologue type situation to buy them time and add to the development slush fund? Maybe. A side project that the team have wanted to do for a long time? Possibly. The future of the GT series? Highly doubtful no matter what is being said right now.
Either way it is a creative risk going from a format that is a guaranteed seller (yes I said it again because that's what it is, even if the market for this genre has been on the downturn, that's not purely PD's fault and anybody would be more than happy with those numbers from an already outdated system) to going into to the unknown. You think that Sony would be willing to walk away from a format where 5 million units are sold just because the market no longer exists for 10 million sold? Come on now.
That is something you simply would not do unless...
A. You are afforded to (Sony)
B. See below
We won't know until after they stop talking up GT:Sport. But yeah, I'm of the same mindset.
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Seeing news from Forza like dlc cars or expansion pack (NASCAR) and now Assetto Corsa dlc, the competition is so strong on consoles. It makes GT like a game among others. Even worse, from a casual point of view Forza is the new Gran Turismo and I can't understand why Forza is still not the huge seller game with such polish products.
In a recent interview, Poly considers GT sport as a service game. Thanks Poly, for the first time I won't buy GT day one. A couple of months and I'll play a "complete" game.
In a recent interview, Poly considers GT sport as a service game. Thanks Poly, for the first time I won't buy GT day one. A couple of months and I'll play a "complete" game.
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I see GTS more as a necessity than choice. With current staff they could make what we will get in November - which is simply a smaller GT game.
Branding it as e-sport platform helps in distracting from noticing the lack of career mode or small car count.
Branding it as e-sport platform helps in distracting from noticing the lack of career mode or small car count.
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I think, that Sony and PD knew that GT6 may sell less than GT5 because it was launched almost together with the PS4, i only played it for two weeks(got it in day 1) because i had to sell my PS3 in order to buy a PS4, my aunt was comming from europe and i asked her to buy two for me, on for myself and another one to sell.
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Whatever way you look at it PD is rolling in cash. They haven't released anything that hasn't sold millions. Plus their team inst THAT big and also wages are quite low in Japan (and wages is the No1 expense for a studio).
GT games can miss sales targets all they like, as long as they are in profit (and how can they not be?) all will be fine. Sony are hardly going to chop off revenue streams because of targets.
But as always I fail to see what financial status of companies has to do with GTS?... This reminds of me all the talk before the PS4 was released. The PS4 according to the internet a few years back is total crap because Sony was not rolling in money. I guess I should sell mine and stop having fun in it, or is it ok now Sony are financially stable? I always forget to check the stock price of companies before deciding if I like their products...
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True I love they're music they're should just be a greater variety
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I'm with you on that, but remember...
Example, I don't expect to hear this AWESOME beat on GTS
but if you can customize your playlist again, I have no issues what so ever, I could even grab my favorite tunes from the soundtrack and combine the best of both worlds like I did with GT5-6
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All I want is some Monstercat music in GT Sport...
I'll have to dig up the songs which I personally think would fit the game. It would make the racing soo much more enjoyable for me.
Here's one
and another
That's all I've got for today...
I'll have to dig up the songs which I personally think would fit the game. It would make the racing soo much more enjoyable for me.
Here's one
and another
That's all I've got for today...
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Guys the monstercat example its not a music, its a ******** for me. What I want i GT menus is for example:
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I prefer to race only listening to the engine but, when Driveclub come out, sometimes i listened to the album "Long gone before daylight" from The Cardigans.
I know, i know, this combo is kind of awkward. But playing DC listening to The Cardigans make me feel so relaxed!! And I still fast, most of time i was battling in the time trials for the first place in the leaderboards with some italian guy on Japan tracks.
I know, i know, this combo is kind of awkward. But playing DC listening to The Cardigans make me feel so relaxed!! And I still fast, most of time i was battling in the time trials for the first place in the leaderboards with some italian guy on Japan tracks.
