Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

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Sadly PD is reminding me of a Steam Locomotive manufacturer when diesel first hit the scene. They didn't go out of business over night, it was a slow, sad fade out. Many railroads stuck with steam power for a few years, but the handwriting was on the wall.

I have the Flu right now so I may not be thinking completely straight as a disclaimer here.
 
It's a fact. If we look the "leaks", games coming out from end of 2016, are forced to have a Neo mode.

Doesn't mean they will "better exploit" it. They could just do the absolute bear minimum, as they were already planning to since the leaks said post October when when it would be forced, ie before the original release.
 
Sadly PD is reminding me of a Steam Locomotive manufacturer when diesel first hit the scene. They didn't go out of business over night, it was a slow, sad fade out. Many railroads stuck with steam power for a few years, but the handwriting was on the wall.

I have the Flu right now so I may not be thinking completely straight as a disclaimer here.
You've got a heck of a memory if you can remember the steam to diesel transition:lol:
It's a fact. If we look the "leaks", games coming out from end of 2016, are forced to have a Neo mode.
"Leaks" are not facts. And it still doesn't explain why the game needs to be delayed into next year to optimize for Neo when that optimization could be done while the game is in full swing on the PS4.
 
GT has competition. Yes it has beaten that competition for pretty much it's entire lifetime so far in terms of single titles but that doesn't mean it can't change, nothing is infallible. There are countless companies who in the past could've trotted out "We're fine, the competition are miles behind us, we're in a league of our own etc etc" and eventually they've disappeared/been overtaken.

Do I think most of GTs userbase will now go out and buy pCARS, AC or an Xbox and not buy GTS when it comes out eventually? No I don't, but they are all potential competition and lost sales that can start adding up eventually. Like I said no product is infallible to being passed by competitors, GT is no different. The fact it lost 6 million sales with the last iteration should at least ring some alarm bells.
I think after you have tried a gt and after you go and buy an xbox for forza i think it is very hard not to go back to gt,personal experience.
 
It's a fact. If we look the "leaks", games coming out from end of 2016, are forced to have a Neo mode.

Leaks =/= facts.

You will be surprised: I agree with you.

I am! :P

I think after you have tried a gt and after you go and buy an xbox for forza i think it is very hard not to go back to gt,personal experience.

The personal experience from someone that's already said they haven't even once played FM6? Okay.

As someone that's played every full iteration of GT, and every Forza title; nope, not very hard at all. Then again, I don't operate under the childish idea that I need to pledge allegiance to any franchise: I just play as many as I can.
 
Doesn't mean they will "better exploit" it. They could just do the absolute bear minimum, as they were already planning to since the leaks said post October when when it would be forced, ie before the original release.

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Sorry @Samus - couldn't resist :)
 
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Sorry @Samus - couldn't resist :)

:lol: I always do that.

I think after you have tried a gt and after you go and buy an xbox for forza i think it is very hard not to go back to gt,personal experience.

I rather think most people continue to play both, money withstanding. Also it's a little difficult to go back to GT at the moment, there is nothing to go back to on current platforms.
 
It's taken them over three years of development time and they still haven't released a single title on the PS4; what makes us think they'll be able to maximize the capabilities of a system they've had in their hands for (presumably) less time?

IMO, the game should release the moment its ready for PS4 players, not intentionally held back to time with a Neo release, regardless of how much it will be optimized for that. This delay has done the brand enough damage.

A couple items you posted that I am going to address;

  • I can imagine that PDI as a company is rather embarrassed over this. With Kaz personally, I would expect some self-torment happening with his self admitted struggles at release time.
  • May I ask to whom specifically you are referring to? It hasn't damaged the brand to me, and I seriously doubt that outside of the hardcore elite sim racers, it hasn't either.
 
Leaks =/= facts.






The personal experience from someone that's already said they haven't even once played FM6? Okay.

As someone that's played every full iteration of GT, and every Forza title; nope, not very hard at all. Then again, I don't operate under the childish idea that I need to pledge allegiance to any franchise: I just play as many as I can.
Forza 6 not but forza 3 and 4 yes,very terrible experience :yuck:
 
I think after you have tried a gt and after you go and buy an xbox for forza i think it is very hard not to go back to gt,personal experience.
Or you can play as many as you can and want to, personally on the last gen Gran Turismo left me cold and as such I didn't come back from Forza.

This gen I've had no choice but to look to the competition, as my signature shows.

Does that mean I will not get GTS? No, I've played it and quite liked it, does that mean I will abandon those titles in my signature?

Not a chance.
 
Who says I haven't? NFS was a massive franchise ten years ago. MW sold 16 million but the latest NFS games are very disappointing. It debuted at 390k on all platforms during the holiday season in the US. EA doesn't even provide sales figures anymore or shipment figures.

Well, then you'll know that NFS is one of the most successful franchises ever, with over 150 million sales to date.

So when you say stuff like this that's obviously false:

No other racing franchise comes close to its fanbase numbers or sales...

...it's easy to assume that you haven't heard of the largest racing franchise, or you simply would be saying such a foolish thing.

Neither NFS, or Gran Turismo, or Forza or any other racing franchise are doing record numbers at the moment. It's debatable as to the reasons why, but I'd say that NFS is still a pretty solid franchise.

Why are you so outraged like i kill someone because i don't like forza, if i make this speech about gt i bet you are all happy and you would give me a like :lol:

Outraged like you killed someone? Have you tried reading the responses to you? Or do you just imagine what you expect them to say?
 
Why are you so outraged like i kill someone because i don't like forza, if i make this speech about gt i bet you are all happy and you would give me a like :lol:
Because you demonstrate a clear bias that's not based on fact or evidence.


.....and no.....

Well, then you'll know that NFS is one of the most successful franchises ever, with over 150 million sales to date.
And is also in better 'health' than GT in terms of current gen sales.
 
A couple items you posted that I am going to address;

  • I can imagine that PDI as a company is rather embarrassed over this. With Kaz personally, I would expect some self-torment happening with his self admitted struggles at release time.
  • May I ask to whom specifically you are referring to? It hasn't damaged the brand to me, and I seriously doubt that outside of the hardcore elite sim racers, it hasn't either.

On the first point: I can too. It doesn't really change anything, though. It's also not unique: I'm sure other devs are similarly embarassed/shook up when they have to delay their games.

On the second: actually, I think the hardcore folks will be the ones least affected by the news. As evident right here on the forums, some people aren't bothered by any amount of delays: they will buy GT Sport on day 1, no questions asked.

I'm mostly talking about the general media. PD was a low-hanging-fruit joke during the PS3 era and the long gestation time of GT5. A quick scan of the news:
PD announced GT6 and hit its release date. It looked, from the outside, to be a righting of the ship. They waited until two years into the current generation to announce their next title, which lead a lot of us to think it was a similar situation: waiting until they were sure.

The beta got unceremoniously dumped. That was the first red flag, especially with the reason given. That they've spent the last 3 months showing off more or less the same stuff since the May event was another.

I went to an Xbox event last week (mostly to play FH3, but was blown away by Cuphead). After the media portion of the day was done, the public filed in. I got to talk to a fair amount of people about racing games, and while not many of them are exactly potential buyers (since some are one-console-only folks), I heard a lot of confusion about just what GT Sport is, and when it'd be releasing. Comments about how the games take so long to release, that it doesn't get to occupy any valuable real estate in their brains.

Admittedly, it's hardly a thorough overview of the gaming landscape — just like GTPlanet — but it was interesting to hear from a different subset of people.

I'm still wondering about the potential success of GT Sport, and that was before this delay until who-knows-when. I don't know how much Joe Casual will be interested in picking up a game that offers so much less than what the traditional GT games did. While some of us took issue with the kitchen-sink approach of previous GT's, since so many features were left feeling half-baked, it can't be denied that it meant it provided more potential selling points for people.

Why are you so outraged like i kill someone because i don't like forza, if i make this speech about gt i bet you are all happy and you would give me a like :lol:

Try actually reading the responses. Nobody is "outraged". We're simply pointing out your utter lack of experience. If someone were to proclaim that they weren't going to touch GT Sport, calling it a bad game because they didn't like GT4 or 5, they'd be met with a similar response.

Or, to put it more succinctly: you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You've been asked to not try to turn every thread into a Forza complaints section (we have a sub-forum where you can do that). You've also been asked to use proper grammar and punctuation. Continuing to ignore the staff is unwise.
 
Well, then you'll know that NFS is one of the most successful franchises ever, with over 150 million sales to date.

So when you say stuff like this that's obviously false:

...it's easy to assume that you haven't heard of the largest racing franchise, or you simply would be saying such a foolish thing.

Neither NFS, or Gran Turismo, or Forza or any other racing franchise are doing record numbers at the moment. It's debatable as to the reasons why, but I'd say that NFS is still a pretty solid franchise.

Perhaps I should of reiterated how I am looking at current times. Like I said NFs back in the day was a massive franchise (peak at 16 million) but now it does sub 400k in its debut month during the holidays.

My point still stands. No other racing franchise apart from MK comes close to GT sales (GT6 at 5 million+)
 
I'm still not totally comfortable with English. But I progress (I think my feedback on demo at Gamescom was clear for everyone :)) and I expect you to correct me in the future.

Leaks =/= facts.



I am! :P

It's not official but it's obvious, let's be honest.

Sony will force studios to use power of PS4 Neo, especially first party. And this is normal, they have to convince players, buyers.

After how studios will exploit it, that's another debate.

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:)

When I played, I was really impressed by visual.

I'm not part of people who think the PS4 Neo will completely change experience. This will not mind at all, if VR and Neo mode arrive via patch, as they did with 3D for GT6....

We're talking about Neo but anyway, if PoDi has delayed GTS, it's for the game itself, first.

And Again, I was optimistic for release date because the demo convinced me.

Now, it's for 2017, that's the life. But I don't regret being optimistic. By cons, for next, I will make no assumption. GTS will be released when it's ready.
 
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One things for sure, it gets harder and harder for PD apologists to come up with excuses for their incompetence.
Optimizing for PS4 Neo and Sony is behind it? Yeah right :lol:
 
The AI looks challenging on the ovale but the lack of collision engine breaks the immersion. The scenery is still dull, maybe it's the lighting or the absence of flags. If they can use these few months to make their tracks alive, why not (and a collision engine!!!!!)
 
Perhaps I should of reiterated how I am looking at current times. Like I said NFs back in the day was a massive franchise (peak at 16 million) but now it does sub 400k in its debut month during the holidays.

My point still stands. No other racing franchise apart from MK comes close to GT sales (GT6 at 5 million+)

What do you mean by current times? Since GT6? Since GT5? Remember that these games came out quite a long time ago.

Let's also remember that NFS 2015 was an awful, awful game. One should hope that the sales reflect that. But how much did NFS: Rivals sell? How much did MW 2012 sell?

And how much did GT6 sell in it's first month? Or are you just assuming that it's more?

GT5 sold about 6.5 million in it's first six weeks which is beyond amazing, but GT5 was incredibly highly anticipated. It was a phenomenon that few games bar GTA V have reproduced.
 
What do you mean by current times? Since GT6? Since GT5? Remember that these games came out quite a long time ago.

Let's also remember that NFS 2015 was an awful, awful game. One should hope that the sales reflect that. But how much did NFS: Rivals sell? How much did MW 2012 sell?

And how much did GT6 sell in it's first month? Or are you just assuming that it's more?

GT5 sold about 6.5 million in it's first six weeks which is beyond amazing, but GT5 was incredibly highly anticipated. It was a phenomenon that few games bar GTA V have reproduced.

A cool mil a week? Didn't know that.
What a stat...
 
If it is true that PD have delayed it so that it is optimised for Neo then I will be extremely disappointed.

40 million PS4s have now been sold worldwide and this strategy, if true, will alienate millions of people. Gran Turismo does not have a monopoly on racing sims any more, there are plenty of others. Therefore this could be a risky business strategy.
 
There could be any number of reasons for the delay; Neo, VR, features not up to snuff etc; We simply have no clue as to what the real reason is. Simply "perfecting the game" is no longer a valid excuse any more (see pCARS, No Man's Sky etc).

People wouldn't be so mad if PD would simply just be honest about why GTS is delayed. That's all.
 
On the second: actually, I think the hardcore folks will be the ones least affected by the news. As evident right here on the forums, some people aren't bothered by any amount of delays: they will buy GT Sport on day 1, no questions asked.

I'm mostly talking about the general media. PD was a low-hanging-fruit joke during the PS3 era and the long gestation time of GT5. A quick scan of the news:
PD announced GT6 and hit its release date. It looked, from the outside, to be a righting of the ship. They waited until two years into the current generation to announce their next title, which lead a lot of us to think it was a similar situation: waiting until they were sure.

I went to an Xbox event last week (mostly to play FH3, but was blown away by Cuphead). After the media portion of the day was done, the public filed in. I got to talk to a fair amount of people about racing games, and while not many of them are exactly potential buyers (since some are one-console-only folks), I heard a lot of confusion about just what GT Sport is, and when it'd be releasing. Comments about how the games take so long to release, that it doesn't get to occupy any valuable real estate in their brains.

I'm still wondering about the potential success of GT Sport, and that was before this delay until who-knows-when. I don't know how much Joe Casual will be interested in picking up a game that offers so much less than what the traditional GT games did. While some of us took issue with the kitchen-sink approach of previous GT's, since so many features were left feeling half-baked, it can't be denied that it meant it provided more potential selling points for people.

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I completely disagree with that statement. Why? The hardcore fans are the ones posting about their disappointments and frustrations with PDI and the GT franchise. The casual GT fans don't come to websites such as this. I also believe casual fans don't spend their days reading internet websites centered around games. Sure, they may browse an article or two here and there but what is the percentage of GT and Forza fans that visit here (for example)?

The media? Again how many of the millions of PS4 and XB1 users are actually reading that article? How many of them actually care if a video game is delayed, especially during the competitive holiday season?

(3)
Of course PDI wasn't sure of the timing and here is what I see as why. I have said this before in these forums but I believe that the video game racing genre as a whole could be in trouble in a few years. Not only are the racing games becoming similar, they have yet to offer anything else that could constitute as game changing.

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Xbox event is Xbox event. Yes, I understand you admitted to that, but I just don't put stock in it because of all the "this racer is better because.." fans out there.

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With good reason too. For reasons above, I seriously wonder about the success of any of the racing games now. Assetto Corsa? Console version may not sell much at all. What about Forza? No where near GT6's 5 million. All of the major video game racing developers have seen their products lose sales recently. Is the answer to pump out games every year? No, I don't think so. How many times can we see an accurately rendered 'Ring without it getting stale?
 
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