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Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion
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This is the definition of cherry picking. Pick the absolute best possible scenario then compare everything else to that. You see where that fails right? Or not?
The point you are missing is, even with good online racing there are still many reasons why people might prefer offline racing. 50% of the potential player base cannot play online as of now. AI may not be as smart, but they are more predictable and some people prefer predictability in their experience vs. the random responses of anonymous human beings. Racing offline is more convenient in many ways. No connection or lag issues to worry about, races start much faster, can be restarted at any time and are fully cusomizable. You can race the cars you want, on the track you want, under the conditions you want. In Sport mode it'll be fixed vehicles in fixed races of fixed lengths at fixed tracks. Even if you like online racing, if the combinations don't appeal to you or they don't change often enough, if attendance is weak, if quitting is prevelant or for many, many other reasons, online can become boring and predictable. Custom lobbies are a random crapshoot in terms of attendance and ability.
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Oh, I assumed you were using a reasonable definition of clean online. You know, like "people who play to their best ability as if they were playing in front of a crowd at a premier event for a prize".
OK, sure. Let's assume a perfect world that doesn't exist, where you've got 100% clean and respectful players who never make mistakes, get greedy or just screw around to have fun. Let's assume that you've fixed matchmaking so that it always gives you perfect matches, and that your local player base is big enough to always give you your perfect match at any time of day and your netcode is so incredible that there is no negative effects from playing online.
Even given all that, there are still reasons to want to play with AI.
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I never said that there arent reasons to play offline or that offline racing cant be fun. I like to play offline too.
That perfect world you described doesnt exist, but there are things like Iracing, Minorating, and multiple apps and sites to race with clean people in PC with consistency. They have issues but they offer something offline cant match: race cleanly with people.
Also, i never talked about competition. Im not very interested in it. Im talking always about fun. Saying online is only competition has the same sense that saying offline is only competition and not fun.
Time will tell if GT Sport is the solution for the online issue racing games have always had. I think it deserve the effort.
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To be fair to SlimCharles, he did say...
As you say, for online it's racing clean with people, but it's also about that apology when someone nerfs you (or vice versa), the friendly banter that makes you laugh so hard you spit beer all over your TV, the interactions with people from all over the world and also like you said fun.
My view is, there is no right or wrong when it comes to online vs offline, or AI vs human, these are simply preferences and hopefully there is enough variety of all of them in GT Sport for everyone.
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Once again, I just don't understand why PD will not do the same thing GT Academy does. Look at the cars and events they are doing. That's real life. It's fun. Players that may never qualify for the real GTA could experience what the participants go through. As well as the Dubai 24H, Bathurst 12H, Blancpain races, Super GT races, WEC. It's all right there.
Since GTA, PD has never promoted it in game.
Since GTA, PD has never promoted it in game.
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Do any of us?
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You're still moving the goalposts, and you're still assuming all people share the same tastes.
You originally said "But if you like racing, real people races is the thing that you most desire." Now it's "always about fun".
Do you know the definition of the word "hopefully"?
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What, so I'm not allowed to ''hope'' without being questioned?.
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He didn't specifically mention anything about expanding the offline offerings:
Personally, that doesn't read as anything relating to offline modes, either.
Of course, the point is moot: with a vague 2017 release window, it's entirely possible PD is rethinking the offline portion of the game, coming to that conclusion either on their own or based off comments from the fanbase. Simply put, we won't know until they start showing it off again (and even then, perhaps not for a while).
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Well, duh. The mode where you race with other players instead of the computer lets you race with other players? You don't say.
How far you've come. That doesn't sound like someone who would say this:
If a person is always going to be the best AI, why would you play against anything else? Hmm, maybe online isn't always the best.
Point me to where I even used the word competition in that post you replied to. You're just making up strawmen to fight now.
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You must be reading other comments, cant understand why you are answer
1- When, in that comment in particular im assuming all people share the same tastes?
2-So racing with people is not fun? Only competition?
Exactly. And that, racing with people thing that offline cant match, offers you races like this
Umm... one thing doesnt negate the other.
Is the best if you want racing, but offline can offer other things like a career mode.
Do you think im interested in fight? You said that days before!
Forget it, we are talking in circles and we are never gonna get to any conclusion. You think offline is better and i think otherwise.
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I think Poly it's time to show new tracks 
A year of Brands Hatch and the Nurb is enough I think. If they bring the same tracks/cars at the Paris Game Week, what is the point for general media to talk about GT? They are not like us to point all the difference between builds, they need new material for their articles.
A year of Brands Hatch and the Nurb is enough I think. If they bring the same tracks/cars at the Paris Game Week, what is the point for general media to talk about GT? They are not like us to point all the difference between builds, they need new material for their articles.
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And you accuse me of not reading your posts...
I think both online and offline have a valuable place in gaming, and depending on the type of game and the type of player either or both can be important.
I do not think saying things like "Online nowadays is the most important part of videogames" will ever be true, and it certainly isn't now. You've so far offered nothing that would change my mind. Your strongest argument has been "but you can play against other people", which is only true since pretty much every game has ditched local multiplayer and LAN support.
And playing against other people in and of itself isn't actually that engaging a prospect for some, considering we're on the internet with all that entails. To which your defence has been some handwaving and deflection into ELO systems as if they actually solve the problems instead of simply reducing them.
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I think Poly it's time to show new tracks
Some Spa would be nice, or since it's in France, la Sarthe would make sense... A few more cars too.
Just any update would be good at this stage, we've literally not heard a word from them since they announced the delay and before that updates weren't exactly constant.
http://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/news/?t=gtsport
Those are all of the articles for GT Sport from PD. Slim pickings.
http://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/news/?t=gtsport
Those are all of the articles for GT Sport from PD. Slim pickings.
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I'm thinking PSX, they'll announce a new date, wouldn't be surprised if a rebrand to GT7 is on the cards.
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You know, there *is* tradition to follow with regards to changing the name of the first game set for a new system. Gran Turismo 2000, Gran Turismo Vision, Gran Turismo Mobile...
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You know, there *is* tradition to follow with regards to changing the name of the first game set for a new system. Gran Turismo 2000, Gran Turismo Vision, Gran Turismo Mobile...
a wink after a Kyle post, do I take this as Kyle spreading his wisdom or genuine inside information. hmmmmm
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Thats your opinion. And of course you aren convinced by my arguments and you never gonna be, you have made it clear from the first comment. That is not my problem, i just showed in the last page why i think that online is the bigger part of videogames; supported by a huge ammount of data.
Yes, they dont solve all the problems, but they, like you say, reduce the problems. A lot of them ideed. And something that could offer clean public online in racing, something that has done ever before in consoles, deserve some consideration. Despite the point they could have done a normal gt with the new sport mode.
I did my best to defend my position. If you think you have won the conversation because i give up trying to convice you, good for you. I was just trying to be polite.
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Do not think lol. It's Poly, there is nothing logical with how they do things.
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Uhh... it seemed like it took half a dozen posts just for you to acknowledge how many people even have the possibility of playing online.
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