Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[NRG MBL59]

The C7.R is a GT3? Didn't realise Ford had one either....

I'd be interested to see the Electric GT Tesla race cars show up, would be a neat thing to drive if only for a few laps.

 

[Jakedog23]

The C7.R is a GT3? Didn't realise Ford had one either....

I'd be interested to see the Electric GT Tesla race cars show up, would be a neat thing to drive if only for a few laps.

They are the GTE/GTLM
There is a C7 GT3 Car but it made by Callaway
Ford had the Mustang in the past but IIRC they dont have a GT3 car now

 

[AudiMan2011]

The C7.R is a GT3? Didn't realise Ford had one either....

I'd be interested to see the Electric GT Tesla race cars show up, would be a neat thing to drive if only for a few laps.

No.

The actual C7.R is a GTE, or GTLM in IMSA sportscars.

This C7 is the Callaway GT3-R.

The Gr.3 C7 is more of a mix of the 2.

 

[SlimCharles]

Wait, you are talking about which one being slower than the P1 in almost every track, and also weighs 300kg less? The FXX-K or the LaFerrari? Got me confused here.
About the lap times, were they recorded with which tires? The Trofeo R are known to make the car faster by 2 or 3 seconds, depending on the track. Apart from the tires, it's really easy to explain, the P1 races with a non street legal race mode, which gives it advantage over pretty much anything road legal. The impressive part about the P1, is its ability to "transform", other than that, without the brakes with energy recovery system, like the other two, the P1 will be out of full power in a few laps. While the other two will see somewhat consistent lap times over and over.

All of them are impressive, and the fact that numerically perform almost the same is mind blowing. The rest is just fanboism speaking, and not being a real pertolhead.

And why has this topic turned into a stats comparison between LaF and P1?

Spoiler

Fanboism? Do you see the 458 in my avatar? Is it possible to criticize one of the 3 without someone calling you fanboy?

I dont care about the high downforce mode. That is its special weapon. Like the active aerodinamics from the LaF or the torque vectoring from the 918. Who cares if it isnt legal? You can turn it on in the track with just one button.

In portimao for example with Harris and with the same tyres the order was: P1>918>Laf. By the way my favourite of the three is the 918, then the LaF and then the P1. Think twice before calling someone fanboy.

 

[NRG MBL59]

They are the GTE/GTLM

No.

I'm well aware, might've been too subtle in my sarcasm

There were rumors Ford was looking at a GT3 version of the FGT but that's been rather quiet for a while now....imo I see nothing wrong with PoDi doing Gr.3 versions of cars that already exist, can't get licensing for everything.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

So any news on the inclusion of the P1 in GTS

Spoiler

Probably Not

 

[05XR8]

The C7.R is a GT3? Didn't realise Ford had one either....

I'd be interested to see the Electric GT Tesla race cars show up, would be a neat thing to drive if only for a few laps.

Matech Ford GT3

Tesla Model S race car

 

[NRG MBL59]

Well atleast GT5/6 had that black FGT you could shoehorn to GT3 ish pace.....

(I'm well aware those cars exist, GT racing has been an obsession since I watched the F1 GTR win LM24 in 1995)

 

[05XR8]

Well atleast GT5/6 had that black FGT you could shoehorn to GT3 ish pace.....

(I'm well aware those cars exist, GT racing has been an obsession since I watched the F1 GTR win LM24 in 1995)

No doubt about the #4 Ford GT. How many was the grand total in GT6? 7 GTs? Not one was a racer to battle the GT3 class. Only the LM models. The PP slider was its saving grace.

 

[Samus]

Gr.1 is still the weakest section by far IMO. I really hope the remaining ~50 cars is going to boost that because right now it's just a random mixture of fantasy VGT and old (in modern racing terms), mixed year LMPs.

Alpine Vision Gran Turismo Gr. 1
Bugatti Vision Gran Turismo Gr. 1
Dodge SRT Tomahawk Vision Gran Turismo Gr.1
Mazda LM55 Vision Gran Turismo Gr.1

Audi R18 TDI (Audi Sport Team Joest) 2011
Peugeot 908 HDi FAP - Team Peugeot Total 2010
Toyota TS030 Hybrid 2012

For the 'top' category that is really weak so far.

 

[SlimCharles]

Gr.1 is still the weakest section by far IMO. I really hope the remaining ~50 cars is going to boost that because right now it's just a random mixture of fantasy VGT and old (in modern racing terms), mixed year LMPs.

Alpine Vision Gran Turismo Gr. 1
Bugatti Vision Gran Turismo Gr. 1
Dodge SRT Tomahawk Vision Gran Turismo Gr.1
Mazda LM55 Vision Gran Turismo Gr.1

Audi R18 TDI (Audi Sport Team Joest) 2011
Peugeot 908 HDi FAP - Team Peugeot Total 2010
Toyota TS030 Hybrid 2012

For the 'top' category that is really weak so far.

Also those LMP1, 2 are very similar and competed between them. But the other one, is from the Hybrid era. Yes the Ultra raced against the TS030. But the 908 didnt.

 

[Matej]

A Tesla would be nice, indeed. Some attractive alternative fuel vehicles have been revealed over the past few years, it would be a shame to miss them.

 

[05XR8]

Diesels as well. There are a couple Mazda2 diesels racing. One in the Chinese TCC and one in Japan rally. Mazda6 diesel in Grand Am some years back.

Probably too much of a reach with GT Sport.

 

[dacc10]

Spoiler

Fanboism? Do you see the 458 in my avatar? Is it possible to criticize one of the 3 without someone calling you fanboy?

I dont care about the high downforce mode. That is its special weapon. Like the active aerodinamics from the LaF or the torque vectoring from the 918. Who cares if it isnt legal? You can turn it on in the track with just one button.

In portimao for example with Harris and with the same tyres the order was: P1>918>Laf. By the way my favourite of the three is the 918, then the LaF and then the P1. Think twice before calling someone fanboy.

The sentence where I used "fanboism" was not intended as a reply for you or anyone specific. It's a cancerous problem that we see everywhere in the internet, where you can't have a civilised discussion, without someone pulling some convenient argument to make their car better than the other, sometimes even offending car journalist for having different opinions.

Well, the police cares if it's legal. Both Ferrari and Porsche have street legal race modes, while the P1 doesn't. Not being street legal, gives it advantage, since it can reach a setup that can't be used on the road, not respecting any restrictions. A car without restrictions will be faster on track than cars with them.

And in the Grand Tour the times were different too, in the exact same track, or will you ignore that?

Spoiler: Grand Tour lap times

Porsche: 1:54.2
Ferrari: 1:54.4
McLaren:1:55.5

Which just confirms my point, all this cars are too similar to declare a clear winner. Their close lap times just confirm this. Three very different aproaches that achieve very similar results.

@Samus , sure we don't have many things to talk about for now, but this discussion came out of nowhere, and there's probably some other thread dedicated to the Holy Trinity battle.

 

[SlimCharles]

The sentence where I used "fanboism" was not intended as a reply for you or anyone specific. It's a cancerous problem that we see everywhere in the internet, where you can't have a civilised discussion, without someone pulling some convenient argument to make their car better than the other, sometimes even offending car journalist for having different opinions.

Well, the police cares if it's legal. Both Ferrari and Porsche have street legal race modes, while the P1 doesn't. Not being street legal, gives it advantage, since it can reach a setup that can't be used on the road, not respecting any restrictions. A car without restrictions will be faster on track than cars with them.

And in the Grand Tour the times were different too, in the exact same track, or will you ignore that?

Spoiler: Grand Tour lap times

Porsche: 1:54.2
Ferrari: 1:54.4
McLaren:1:55.5

Which just confirms my point, all this cars are too similar to declare a clear winner. Their close lap times just confirm this. Three very different aproaches that achieve very similar results.

Spoiler: Offtopic

So you intended to not refer to myself when you say "fanboism" and you writte that in the comment where you are quoting me? How do you suppose anyone should take that?

The police will also cares if you go faster than 120 km/h on the road too So it is pointless that the P1 cant turn on that mode on the road.

Same track? Different layout and starting from 0.

Not agree. The 918 has proved in almost every test that is the fastest. Nordschleife, Laguna Seca (vs P1), Salomondrin, The Grand Tour...

 

[dacc10]

Spoiler: Offtopic

So you intended to not refer to myself when you say "fanboism" and you writte that in the comment where you are quoting me? How do you suppose anyone should take that?

The police will also cares if you go faster than 120 km/h on the road too So it is pointless that the P1 cant turn on that mode on the road.

Same track? Different layout and starting from 0.

Not agree. The 918 has proved in almost every test that is the fastest. Nordschleife, Laguna Seca (vs P1), Salomondrin, The Grand Tour...

That's why I left a blank line between my answer to your quote, and what I said next.

No, it's not pointless. It's something that gives it advantage over cars that are restricted to street rules/laws.
Doesn't matter how you paint it, it's another class of car, when it's not road legal.

Yet, the lap times were ordered differently than the ones in Chris Harris's video.

The 918 is the easiest to approach and drive fast, kinda like the Nissan GT-R. While with the other two, you need more time to reach their full potential.
Most of the times it's redundant those lap times. For one, you usually have different wheather, different driver, different number of laps and an unknown state of the car (no one knows if the car gets tweaked here and there, when it's their brands setting lap times, specially on Nurburgring) and there's also the number of tries into account. How many times did Nissan try, to set their lap times around the 'ring?

It's not surprising that the Porsche is usually the fastest, since it's the easiest to squeeze a quick lap, while with the others you need to be a lot more careful.

 

[ScottPuss20]

That's why I left a blank line between my answer to your quote, and what I said next.

No, it's not pointless. It's something that gives it advantage over cars that are restricted to street rules/laws.
Doesn't matter how you paint it, it's another class of car, when it's not road legal.

Yet, the lap times were ordered differently than the ones in Chris Harris's video.

The 918 is the easiest to approach and drive fast, kinda like the Nissan GT-R. While with the other two, you need more time to reach their full potential.
Most of the times it's redundant those lap times. For one, you usually have different wheather, different driver, different number of laps and an unknown state of the car (no one knows if the car gets tweaked here and there, when it's their brands setting lap times, specially on Nurburgring) and there's also the number of tries into account. How many times did Nissan try, to set their lap times around the 'ring?

It's not surprising that the Porsche is usually the fastest, since it's the easiest to squeeze a quick lap, while with the others you need to be a lot more careful.

Look, can we just stop this useless debate? Come on, they're all good cars...

 

[Robbks]

Diesels as well. There are a couple Mazda2 diesels racing. One in the Chinese TCC and one in Japan rally. Mazda6 diesel in Grand Am some years back.

Probably too much of a reach with GT Sport.

"Cough"
R10 TDi

 

[NRG MBL59]

R18 TDI isn't a diesel? oh....

 

[bdj57]

Take a look at this :

For some that didn't notice, looks like Mazda taken some design cue from the LM55 for their 2017 RT24-P prototype that's going to race in next year IMSA Weathertech Sportcars Championship. I mean look at the front, they look similiar, just a small adjustment with the air scoops and headlight position. Then comes the side profile :

More pics :

Did it make it to GT Sport? There's a chance, due to game launch next year. But for now, only time will tell...

 

[NRG MBL59]

Only similarity I see is the Mazda grill up front and they're both race cars. RT24P wouldn't fit Gr.1 anyway as it isn't a LMP1, it's a DPi based on a P2 and thus would go in a lower category (Gr.2?).

 

[bdj57]

Only similarity I see is the Mazda grill up front and they're both race cars. RT24P wouldn't fit Gr.1 anyway as it isn't a LMP1, it's a DPi based on a P2 and thus would go in a lower category (Gr.2?).

Yes, it won't fit to Gr.1 and there's Gr. 2 which is vague until now, so.... things a little bit confusing

Well, this might come in future GT, I guess....
💡

 

[NRG MBL59]

By vague you mean 'nonexistent'? Mind you not all information has been released so we won't truly know if Gr.2 exists and in what form until they start pressing discs.

 

[trustjab]

They can 'bop' the Mazda to fit in the gr.1 class. According to dunlop, the latest version of the lmp2's are near 2012 lmp1 speed. That's just from the first couple of tests. This is gran turismo, they make Bugatti vgt's comparable to LMP1! Anything can happen, but this is kinda leaning towards wishlist talk.

 

[05XR8]

"Cough"
R10 TDi

I mentioned diesels. Not the lone diesel. I'm referring to GT cars as per my examples. Again, it's probably too much of a stretch for PD.

 

[bdj57]

By vague you mean 'nonexistent'? Mind you not all information has been released so we won't truly know if Gr.2 exists and in what form until they start pressing discs.

It is not about Gr.2 existence. It was like what type of car classes that is going to be placed in Gr.2 category is still uncertain, hence why Gr. 2 is still "vague"

 

[silverman_GT]

It is not about Gr.2 existence. It was like what type of car classes that is going to be placed in Gr.2 category is still uncertain, hence why Gr. 2 is still "vague"

Has there been any official word about Gr.2 from PD? From what i've heard so far is that GTS would have LMP1, GT3, GT4 and Production cars. No announcements about Gr.2 whatsoever.

By vague you mean 'nonexistent'? Mind you not all information has been released so we won't truly know if Gr.2 exists and in what form until they start pressing discs.

This.

 

[bdj57]

Has there been any official word about Gr.2 from PD? From what i've heard so far is that GTS would have LMP1, GT3, GT4 and Production cars. No announcements about Gr.2 whatsoever.

There is no official statement from them about it at all and I aware of that. I'm just try to pointing out what people in this community doing right now, guessing and predict how Gr. 2 will be if it being implemented in the game such as discussions about car class and fitting category, which in my perspective is kind of vague and obscure because it is just a random opinion and not a valid statement and thus keep my expectation low for a moment. I have just wait for PD announced another official words regarding updated progress for GTS prior to launch.

Anyway, it is okay have some random opinions and thoughts (that's why we are here, right? ) I'm not going to offend everyone here. I'm sorry if I make some confusion to other members here in this forum.

 

[queleuleu]

Gr.1 is still the weakest section by far IMO. I really hope the remaining ~50 cars is going to boost that because right now it's just a random mixture of fantasy VGT and old (in modern racing terms), mixed year LMPs.

Alpine Vision Gran Turismo Gr. 1
Bugatti Vision Gran Turismo Gr. 1
Dodge SRT Tomahawk Vision Gran Turismo Gr.1
Mazda LM55 Vision Gran Turismo Gr.1

Audi R18 TDI (Audi Sport Team Joest) 2011
Peugeot 908 HDi FAP - Team Peugeot Total 2010
Toyota TS030 Hybrid 2012

For the 'top' category that is really weak so far.

Forza 6 has more motorsport categories than GTsport so far : WTCC, BTCC, V8 Supercars, Formula E, GTE, Group C...
And with more recent LMP1s and enough GT3 cars. For a game focus on racing, I expect better from GT knowing there will be no classic/tuner cars.

 

[Inferno251]

"Cough"
R10 TDi

R18 TDI isn't a diesel? oh....

What about the R15 TDI? Ignored by PD...

I mentioned diesels. Not the lone diesel. I'm referring to GT cars as per my examples. Again, it's probably too much of a stretch for PD.

Not just diesels but hybrids and battery-powered cars period...