Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[Soundtrack]

He is a guest of this podcast. The visit of PD office is for a TV show. I'm sure there is a NDA and Sony doesn't allow him to show his trip. That's why in the podcast is not very enthousiastic to speak about gt sport.

A variable geometry NDA maybe? But I agree, if Cyril Drevet knew that much about Gran Turismo Sport, he would have been under such an agreement.

What we know is that he went to visit PD’s offices last january and interviewed Kazunori Yamauchi. He also tripped to see people from Turn 10 in december and is presumably working on a GT/FORZA MONTAGE. So what he has been covering may well be intended for a more generic feature.

Did he actually even saw GT Sport? I ask because what he jabbers around 01:09:14 could suggest he just may have not...

 

[Scaff]

we will have new trailer on 28 May on Nurburgring 24h race....

So a title linked to the FIA will get a trailer launched at a non-FIA event?

I have my doubts about that.

Thinking more about it, what does that actually mean for non-FIA events in GTS? I can think of two rather big races that are not FIA events, one of which features a very popular track layout. I wonder how the FIA have reacted in regard to these and if they would be happy to see them included.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So a title linked to the FIA will get a trailer launched at a non-FIA event?

I have my doubts about that.

I thought the same thing too, I mean seems easy to say just because Kaz frequently takes part in it, but beyond that the similarities end from what we know as of now (which as said isn't much). I would think the 6 Hours of Silverstone would be a better play to do any showcasing. Yet those who really -for reasons I can't fathom- need this to happen so they're not absolutely wrong, seem to keep the March frame alive. Obviously time will tell, but yeah...

 

[Samus]

I think PD are working to a 3 year production schedule because the release of GT5 Prologue was released 3 before GT5 and GT5 was released 3 years before GT6. With that logic, I expect GT Sport to be released in December of this year. Not the start of 2017.

Except that logic is flawed by the fact GT5 wasn't supposed to be released in 2010, it got delayed. There is a big difference in a 3 year production cycle and games just happening to come out three years apart because you got delayed.

 

[Zlork]

A variable geometry NDA maybe? But I agree, if Cyril Drevet knew that much about Gran Turismo Sport, he would have been under such an agreement.

What we know is that he went to visit PD’s offices last january and interviewed Kazunori Yamauchi. He also tripped to see people from Turn 10 in december and is presumably working on a GT/FORZA MONTAGE. So what he has been covering may well be intended for a more generic feature.

Did he actually even saw GT Sport? I ask because what he jabbers around 01:09:14 could suggest he just may have not...

No, he saw only a part of the studio.

Probably, same part that we seen in recent years, with 3 screens and collection of trophies.

So, he made supposition from nothing.

 

[Samus]

No, he saw only a part of the studio.

Probably, same part that we seen in recent years, with 3 screens and collection of trophies.

So, he made supposition from nothing.

The irony is astonishing.

 

[Imari]

If the car list is shrunken to something like 250 with the best physics and sounds in the series to date, they have a lot of room to play with when it comes to a career mode.

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They didn't leave events out of GT6 because they were out of room.

So, he made supposition from nothing.

 

[jm79]

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They didn't leave events out of GT6 because they were out of room.

The guy has a point though. A lean focus can work wonders in being able to get things out the door.
Who needs 1000 cars? I'd rather have 10 great ones, and amazing physics, visuals, FIA-shiz, etc, and more importantly, a bloody game out on time.

 

[Scaff]

No, he saw only a part of the studio.

And you know, without 'supposition from nothing' which parts it was.

Probably, same part that we seen in recent years, with 3 screens and collection of trophies.

Possibly, but you don't know that, as such its a 'supposition from nothing'

So, he made supposition from nothing.

No more than you did twice in your post, which is ironic to a very large degree.

You do not know what he did or did not see, discuss or experience on his trip, you were not present (and its beginning to sound a lot like sour grapes on your part); as such to assume that he has made a 'supposition from nothing' is not a claim you can substantiate in any way.

He may have had a frank and honest discussion about issues with the development of GTS and be reporting it in the only way he can right now (to not break an NDA), or he may be talking hot air. The only people who know that as the people who were present during the tour and discussions, and you were not (unless you can show otherwise) one of them. As such I would suggest you refrain from posting as if you were.

The guy has a point though. A lean focus can work wonders in being able to get things out the door.
Who needs 1000 cars? I'd rather have 10 great ones, and amazing physics, visuals, FIA-shiz, etc, and more importantly, a bloody game out on time.

I think you missed the point Imari was making, the number of events in a GT title has nothing at all to do with the car count. They didn't leave events out because of a lack of room, because cars took up the space.

GT6 could of had many, many more events with exactly the same car count. What's also needed is a serious overhaul of the events themselves; while the likes of the Goodwood ones were nice to see the moon buggy stuff was for me a complete waste of time.

GTS needs, for me to take it seriously as an FIA eSports project, practice sessions, qualifying and races that work as races actually do. So no incorrectly done rolling starts and some proper grid starts. In addition I would like to see an end to the same old events structure and races, we have been doing (for example) the Clubman events , in the same way, on the same tracks for a decade now!

 

[Imari]

The guy has a point though. A lean focus can work wonders in being able to get things out the door.
Who needs 1000 cars? I'd rather have 10 great ones, and amazing physics, visuals, FIA-shiz, etc, and more importantly, a bloody game out on time.

Oh I agree, and there's an argument to be made that it's easier to create engaging content for a small amount of assets than it is for a huge amount.

But the idea that GT6 didn't have lots of events because it had lots of cars is laughable. GT6 didn't have lots of events because Polyphony chose not to spend time making events. Nothing to do with room or cars or anything else. Either it was misplanning or it was completely intentional. Probably a bit of both.


It's funny because probably the best thing that they could do would be make a shortish 20-30 hour career mode, and then simply have an event creator. Preferably one that could share created events online. Let the player choose the cars, the level of AI, the restrictions, and all the other variables that go into making a good event.

Sure, it'd be a bit of work to make a user-friendly interface for it. But they probably have the basis for something already, considering that they regularly make seasonal events. They'd be morons not to have created some sort of tool to make that easy on themselves. Polish it up and put it in the game, and suddenly there's infinite content. Let the players make endurance races if they want them, or one makes, or head to head shootouts, or whatever.

 

[Zlork]

And you know, without 'supposition from nothing' which parts it was.


Possibly, but you don't know that, as such its a 'supposition from nothing'


No more than you did twice in your post, which is ironic to a very large degree.

You do not know what he did or did not see, discuss or experience on his trip, you were not present (and its beginning to sound a lot like sour grapes on your part); as such to assume that he has made a 'supposition from nothing' is not a claim you can substantiate in any way.

He may have had a frank and honest discussion about issues with the development of GTS and be reporting it in the only way he can right now (to not break an NDA), or he may be talking hot air. The only people who know that as the people who were present during the tour and discussions, and you were not (unless you can show otherwise) one of them. As such I would suggest you refrain from posting as if you were.

He said on twitter that he saw only part of the studio. And he confirms to see nothing on GTS on the podcast.

For this part of the studio, I make a supposition but not from nothing :





We have seen several times in the past that journalists visiting the same room. This suggests easily that PoDi doesn't let anyone in studio. Which is quite normal.

He may discuss with Kaz.

In this case, what do you think of that ?



Cyril Drevet, I know him, it's not the worst in France but for me, He's not the most credible.

I would add that in the podcast, this man doesn't believe in the VR. He said that with the headset, there is no sensation when driving. To have tested with ocolus Rift on PC, I guarantee, it's just insane.

 

[jm79]

GTS needs, for me to take it seriously as an FIA eSports project, practice sessions, qualifying and races that work as races actually do. So no incorrectly done rolling starts and some proper grid starts. In addition I would like to see an end to the same old events structure and races, we have been doing (for example) the Clubman events , in the same way, on the same tracks for a decade now!

This is spot-on - seems like we're on the same page with what GTS needs in order for it to be engaging.

 

[TS050]

Cyril Drevet, I know him, it's not the worst in France but for me, He's not the most credible.

He's been invited to PD's offices before.

How is that not credible?

 

[jm79]

It's funny because probably the best thing that they could do would be make a shortish 20-30 hour career mode, and then simply have an event creator. Preferably one that could share created events online. Let the player choose the cars, the level of AI, the restrictions, and all the other variables that go into making a good event.

Sure, it'd be a bit of work to make a user-friendly interface for it. But they probably have the basis for something already, considering that they regularly make seasonal events. They'd be morons not to have created some sort of tool to make that easy on themselves. Polish it up and put it in the game, and suddenly there's infinite content. Let the players make endurance races if they want them, or one makes, or head to head shootouts, or whatever.

Ah yes, slightly got the wrong end of the stick there, but totally agree with this.

If they just nailed, you know, the driving, events with a system like this are essentially infinite.
Add then add content stuff like cars/tracks to keep us interested in the long-term.

Easy! haha

 

[Samus]

I love the idea that journalists fly all the way to PD studios, invited by PD, and then only get to visit a small room with a gaming rig set up and not much else. Of course it couldn't be that they're not allowed to talk about or show the other areas of the studio for NDA reasons, could it? No, surely not.

 

[Scaff]

He said on twitter that he saw only part of the studio. And he confirms to see nothing on GTS on the podcast.

For this part of the studio, I make a supposition but not from nothing :





We have seen several times in the past that journalists visiting the same room. This suggests easily that PoDi doesn't let anyone in studio. Which is quite normal.

He may discuss with Kaz.

In this case, what do you think of that ?

All that shows is some of the areas of the studio he did visit, it doesn't mean he didn't see more. That is supposition on your part. I've done work for many car manufacturers, I have pictures from the lobby areas of a few, that doesn't mean the lobby was the only place I visited.

Cyril Drevet, I know him, it's not the worst in France but for me, He's not the most credible.

PD seem to think he's more credible that you! As I said this sounds a lot like sour grapes on your part.

I would add that in the podcast, this man doesn't believe in the VR. He said that with the headset, there is no sensation when driving. To have tested with ocolus Rift on PC, I guarantee, it's just insane.

Ahh so as his opinion differs from yours he's insane!

Do you refer to everyone who has a differing opinion in that manner?

Its a personal preference, just as 3D was. Many loved 3D and the immersion and sensation it gave to films and games, I personally thought it was rubbish. Just as in this case both parties are right, because its a subjective opinion.

 

[PzR Slim]

Zlork, try just to deal with the facts. This journalist has been to PD in Japan. He's said some stuff which is not very encouraging. None of us know if it's true, we can only take it at face value and discuss it until it is proved true or otherwise. But don't invent a load of nonsense that changes the facts to a version that you want to be true. You know nothing, we know nothing, this journalist knows more than us but we still don't know if it's the truth.

 

[queleuleu]

@Zlork You know he is a gaming journalist for more than 20 years? Nobody here believe it's the absolute truth but given that he went to PD office,
his opinion is interesting.

He doesn't like VR, like a lot of people I can imagine. He also adds that cars in real life have a much more grip than in the games. Cars are not so complicated to drive.

 

[Zlork]

All that shows is some of the areas of the studio he did visit, it doesn't mean he didn't see more. That is supposition on your part. I've done work for many car manufacturers, I have pictures from the lobby areas of a few, that doesn't mean the lobby was the only place I visited.

This is not a supposition since he said himself. Ask him.

PD seem to think he's more credible that you! As I said this sounds a lot like sour grapes on your part.

I'm not a journalist.

Ahh so as his opinion differs from yours he's insane!

Do you refer to everyone who has a differing opinion in that manner?

Its a personal preference, just as 3D was. Many loved 3D and the immersion and sensation it gave to films and games, I personally thought it was rubbish. Just as in this case both parties are right, because its a subjective opinion.

Yes, I don't agree with him.

I'll ask M6 to know when Turbo will diffuse on TV.

 

[doblocruiser]

I am sorry Zlork but you seem to come of jealous and you wan't to make your "collegue" look bad. I'd prefer you add something constructive on what he has said instead of trying to burn him down. You may disagree with his views or the way he works but as said by others Cyril has been invited by PD and he has given us more or less the latest status on GT Sport where you haven't so in this case it makes Cyril more credible than you.

You seem to be very fond of PD and Gran Turismo so why on your part you don't invest more efforts to get some snippets of information on GT Sport in the open. You surely must have your contacts since you work for a gaming-site.

 

[Samus]

This is not a supposition since he said himself. Ask him.

Did he specifically say he only visited that room? No, he said he didn't visit all of the studio. Those are two different statements.

 

[Scaff]

This is not a supposition since he said himself. Ask him.

Way to miss the point.

I'm not a journalist.

Doesn't change a thing. PD consider him to be credible enough, as such his thoughts and observations from a visit are more than worth discussion and should be taken on board. Yours, quite frankly, don't.

Yes, I don't agree with him.

So he's insane!

Let me assure you that does nothing at all to make you sound credible at all.

I'll ask M6 to know when Turbo will diffuse on TV.

Are you trying to say when it will be shown on TV?

 

[doblocruiser]

Well I don't know if Cyril wants to defend himself but I pointed him in to this direction. We'll see if he wants to add something to GT Sport.

 

[PzR Slim]

Doesn't change a thing. PD consider him to be credible enough, as such his thoughts and observations from a visit are more than worth discussion and should be taken on board. Yours, quite frankly, don't.

Precisely, he's got more credibility than all contributors to this current discussion combined because he's actually been to the studio, he's discussed the game, he might still be talking untruths but right now his opinion is the most credible source we have to go on. And that brings us back to the other thread of discussion here, why on earth are PD so bad at communicating with their fanbase.

 

[Zlork]

You seem to be very fond of PD and Gran Turismo so why on your part you don't invest more efforts to get some snippets of information on GT Sport in the open. You surely must have your contacts since you work for a gaming-site.

No, news will come when they will come.

And it's good idea, I will leave GTPlanet. I will focus on this gaming site. The atmosphere is much better. Thank you to respect my choice.

 

[PzR Slim]

No, news will come when they will come.

And it's good idea, I will leave GTPlanet. I will focus on this gaming site. The atmosphere is much better. Thank you to respect my choice.

Because we won't play the way you want us to play your are going to leave the site. Really? How old are you?

 

[TS050]

No, news will come when they will come.

And it's good idea, I will leave GTPlanet. I will focus on this gaming site. The atmosphere is much better. Thank you to respect my choice.

> people disagree with you
> you leave gtp



are you 5?

 

[Imari]

 

[doblocruiser]

No, news will come when they will come.

And it's good idea, I will leave GTPlanet. I will focus on this gaming site. The atmosphere is much better. Thank you to respect my choice.

You are free to do as you like but no-one here asked you to leave.

 

[ron86]

Asked over Facebook about car count (20, 50 or over hundred) and support of old logitech wheels:

PDIs answer:

Hi Ronald, thanks for your kind words and understanding. While I can't go into details (as we don't really know yet... lots is happening right now!) I can tell you that GT Sport will have more than 100 cars. The wheels are a more complicated matter as it's not entirely up to our decision, so sometimes we have to compromise (PS4 can accept old peripherals only if the original manufacturer develop new drivers).

Finger crossed we'll have many good news to share soon.