Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[MisterWaffles]

Personally, I think if GT Sport must be delayed, then so be it, because if GT6 was released with all the content on-disk it would have taken at least until the second half of 2014 instead of being rushed out the door broken and incomplete. So good for them for attempting to finish a game before releasing it. I'm looking at you, Street Fighter 5!

 

[jm79]

Personally, I think if GT Sport must be delayed, then so be it, because if GT6 was released with all the content on-disk it would have taken at least until the second half of 2014 instead of being rushed out the door broken and incomplete. So good for them for attempting to finish a game before releasing it. I'm looking at you, Street Fighter 5!

I don't think anyone is really arguing that.
It's more the lack of info.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

@Zlork I just would like to know where you get the information that they are that bad? What makes it worse than the one you are involved in?

They seem to be getting invited by quiet a few publisher so please enlighten me what makes them so bad.

edit: only found some old stuff from 2011 - 2014 and in 2014 they replaced the chief editor and I don't find bad stuff afterwards.

It's a long-standing trend: If it doesn't line up with his own assumptions and guesses, it's not a valid source. This is a journalist that was invited to Polyphony's offices, driven around by Kaz himself. What I find particularly offensive is Zlork's willingness to discredit a fellow journalist because of personal bias.

The news article I've posted is very clearly not an official statement from PD. It's never presented as such. Comments from someone that actually has been to the office recently are certainly worth hearing. Drevet is better-placed than most to make these observations too. It could end up being nothing. It could be a harbinger of bad news. But either way, it is news, and folks have been clamoring for more GT Sport content on the blog for months. If we stuck to only PD press releases, we would have missed out on a massive part of breaking news over the course of the series.

Personally, I think if GT Sport must be delayed, then so be it, because if GT6 was released with all the content on-disk it would have taken at least until the second half of 2014 instead of being rushed out the door broken and incomplete. So good for them for attempting to finish a game before releasing it. I'm looking at you, Street Fighter 5!

Of course, one could make the argument – as @Imari, @Samus, and others did on the last page – that GT6 couldn't be delayed. It already came out post-PS4. Releasing an installment of their biggest franchise half a year or more after their new system would've likely been a disaster for Sony. We'll never know, though.

If a delay happens, it also doesn't guarantee the game will release complete. "Complete" being more of a PR issue than anything else these days. Under-promising and over-delivering is vastly preferable to the other way around.

 

[lazyloader]

I am interested if sony give some more info on the developer conference next week.

 

[TS050]

I am interested if sony give some more info on the developer conference next week.

Hey, anything is possible.

NOTE: to everyone who continuosly pesters the GT facebook page, this is not a free pass to start spamming every single Sony/PD/GT social media account you can find

 

[CSLACR]

Personally, I think if GT Sport must be delayed, then so be it, because if GT6 was released with all the content on-disk it would have taken at least until the second half of 2014 instead of being rushed out the door broken and incomplete. So good for them for attempting to finish a game before releasing it. I'm looking at you, Street Fighter 5!

I'm one of those people willing to wait for better games too.
What baffles me though, is why it takes them so long to do virtually nothing besides add content.
It's not like the restructured the game for any of the past delays, game modes and features remain nearly the same. GT6 was basically the same as GT5 after updates, minus some updates.
They added cars, tracks, and a few scarce modifications, a moon mission, annnnd slightly updated online play.
What takes 3 years about that? Point is, it's a repeated history now of these delays and there doesn't seem to be a reason at all.
The games aren't "better" after they take a long time, they're effectively the same, with the primary difference between any single iteration of GT is the cars and tracks.

 

[Imari]

I'm looking at you, Street Fighter 5!

SFV is/was basically the same position as GT6. They had a date that absolutely couldn't be missed, in SFV's case because they had to have it out then for the pros to start practising for their Pro Tour.

I think both games are good evidence for why these sorts of hard deadlines are a bad idea. SFV probably isn't going to be "finished" in the sense the average consumer expects for at least another six months. It's done some fairly major damage to the Street Fighter brand, just as GT6 probably did to the Gran Turismo brand.

If a developer must work under situations like this, and there are reasons why they might do so (T10 manage to do it every two years), then it means that your planning, design and marketing have to be really spot on. You can only announce features after they're actually finished and guaranteed to be in the final product. The game has to be modular enough that you get the fundamental stuff out of the way up front, and then can add in whatever additional features you need to as you have time.

GT6 arguably did this pretty well, apart from not keeping their mouths shut about all the stuff that wasn't going to be in the game at release. SFV did pretty badly, it's functional but it's missing fundamental parts of a fighting game like a basic single player mode.

 

[trustjab]

Being invited to PD's studios is great. But that doesn't turn this guys assumptions into anything other than that. He could be right! Then again, he could just as well be wrong.

Imo, I notice a trend- If it's negative news it gets serious traction because that plays into people's stance against PD due to previous games not arriving on time. I didn't see anything new that was positive from this journalist being talked about on the front page. Did the journalist find out anything new? Did he see anything that gives him hope of a great game? Or did he just take from his little time there that PD can't reach their goals?

I have a question, why are we just now hearing of this if this 'tour' take place in January? Anyone know the reason, or is this just being picked up on?

 

[Laffinassasin]

Being invited to PD's studios is great. But that doesn't turn this guys assumptions into anything other than that. He could be right! Then again, he could just as well be wrong.

Imo, I notice a trend- If it's negative news it gets serious traction because that plays into people's stance against PD due to previous games not arriving on time. I didn't see anything new that was positive from this journalist being talked about on the front page. Did the journalist find out anything new? Did he see anything that gives him hope of a great game? Or did he just take from his little time there that PD can't reach their goals?

I have a question, why are we just now hearing of this if this 'tour' take place in January? Anyone know the reason, or is this just being picked up on?

True about his opinions, but Kaz himself has been 'wrong' multiple times too..

The reason we haven't heard anything from this guy before his because he hadn't been asked and/or chose not to say anything. The presenter of the podcast asked him about GTS and he (very carefully, IMO) answered.

At least that's my take.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Being invited to PD's studios is great. But that doesn't turn this guys assumptions into anything other than that. He could be right! Then again, he could just as well be wrong.

Imo, I notice a trend- If it's negative news it gets serious traction because that plays into people's stance against PD due to previous games not arriving on time. I didn't see anything new that was positive from this journalist being talked about on the front page. Did the journalist find out anything new? Did he see anything that gives him hope of a great game? Or did he just take from his little time there that PD can't reach their goals?

I have a question, why are we just now hearing of this if this 'tour' take place in January? Anyone know the reason, or is this just being picked up on?

Yeah, you're right, it's just the negative news since the official reveal:

• Gran Turismo Sport is Not GT7, More Substantial Than Prologue Titles
• Sony Executive Jim Ryan Confident in GT Sport Release Date
• Leaked Gran Turismo Concept Art Reveals New Cars, Tracks, & Locations
• Upcoming Hot Wheels Set Could Hint at GT Sport Roster
• Mysterious GT Info Screen Accompanies Acura ILX Racer

Oh, wait. No, the other thing.

It takes a single click of the blue Gran Turismo Sport category on the news article to get an overview on all of the pieces published on the game. I suppose even that is too much time invested compared to a pre-conceived notion?

What we've posted is the portion of the podcast where they discuss GT Sport. FM6 and Dirt Rally are both briefly mentioned on either side of it. If more on the subject is contained in that podcast, we'll report on that too, as it comes out.

 

[occasionalracer]

It's a long-standing trend: If it doesn't line up with his own assumptions and guesses, it's not a valid source. This is a journalist that was invited to Polyphony's offices, driven around by Kaz himself.

Drevet is better-placed than most to make these observations too. It could end up being nothing. It could be a harbinger of bad news. But either way, it is news, and folks have been clamoring for more GT Sport content on the blog for months. If we stuck to only PD press releases, we would have missed out on a massive part of breaking news over the course of the series.

I fail to see how creating this storm on the back of Drevet's opinion is going to be helpful to his future interactions with PD. Ok, he posted what he did publically, but I can almost sense he that he doesn't feel good right now, especially with what may have been mis-wording, mis-phrasing or mis-interpritation. Now we have a ton of frustration aimed at PD.. again.. great.

 

[jm79]

I fail to see how creating this storm on the back of Drevet's opinion is going to be helpful to his future interactions with PD. Ok, he posted what he did publically, but I can almost sense he that he doesn't feel good right now, especially with what may have been mis-wording, mis-phrasing or mis-interpritation. Now we have a ton of frustration aimed at PD.. again.. great.

Meh, in many people's eyes, I guess they deserve it. They could've avoided all the vitriol, by, you know, communicating a little.

 

[Speedracer8218]

If there's any truth to this article then PD never planned on releasing any demo this spring. Kudos to Sony for the brilliant marketing ploy by announcing GTS when they did in order to sell a few more ps4s during Xmas

Just my 2 cents...

 

[Johnnypenso]

I fail to see how creating this storm on the back of Drevet's opinion is going to be helpful to his future interactions with PD. Ok, he posted what he did publically, but I can almost sense he that he doesn't feel good right now, especially with what may have been mis-wording, mis-phrasing or mis-interpritation. Now we have a ton of frustration aimed at PD.. again.. great.

I'm pretty sure Kaz is a big boy and can take a little heat...under the assumption that he is even aware of anything happening on the web or social media..which is a big assumption. I can almost sense that if Kaz pays any attention to this stuff he sees it as positive that people are talking about the game at all.

 

[synon]

I'm one of those people willing to wait for better games too.
What baffles me though, is why it takes them so long to do virtually nothing besides add content.
It's not like the restructured the game for any of the past delays, game modes and features remain nearly the same. GT6 was basically the same as GT5 after updates, minus some updates.
They added cars, tracks, and a few scarce modifications, a moon mission, annnnd slightly updated online play.
What takes 3 years about that? Point is, it's a repeated history now of these delays and there doesn't seem to be a reason at all.
The games aren't "better" after they take a long time, they're effectively the same, with the primary difference between any single iteration of GT is the cars and tracks.

Isn't it the content that takes a large proportion of the time though? Plus they also revamped the physics model.

 

[lazyloader]

If there's any truth to this article then PD never planned on releasing any demo this spring. Kudos to Sony for the brilliant marketing ploy by announcing GTS when they did in order to sell a few more ps4s during Xmas

Just my 2 cents...

i was one of them buying a ps4 at christmas - and i told my wife that i will do sport with this ps4 in near future and not gaming. so i have a problem now ;-)

 

[occasionalracer]

I'm pretty sure Kaz is a big boy and can take a little heat...under the assumption that he is even aware of anything happening on the web or social media..which is a big assumption. I can almost sense that if Kaz pays any attention to this stuff he sees it as positive that people are talking about the game at all.

Ya Johnnypenso, I'm sure he is. Which is likely why he would like to steer clear of the guarenteed and proportionately high amount of childish one-liners that will flourish from anything said/posted on 'social' media. Even before internet people used to say: "actions speak louder than words". That one couldn't be more true in today's world. Like what's the point?

 

[lazyloader]

I'm pretty sure Kaz is a big boy and can take a little heat...under the assumption that he is even aware of anything happening on the web or social media..which is a big assumption. I can almost sense that if Kaz pays any attention to this stuff he sees it as positive that people are talking about the game at all.

Ptrick Dempsey died in tv to have time to do real racing (i love to tell this all the woman around me), so what do Kaz to have more time to do real racing? slower development!

 

[Laffinassasin]

Ptrick Dempsey died in tv to have time to do real racing (i love to tell this all the woman around me), so what do Kaz to have more time to do real racing? slower development!

I don't think Kaz does much of anything 'hands on' when it comes to development these days. He's a manager and probably chief negotiator/liaison in securing things like the FIA, manufacturer and track deals/partnerships.

 

[PureAlpha1206]

I don't think Kaz does much of anything 'hands on' when it comes to development these days. He's a manager and probably chief negotiator/liaison in securing things like the FIA, manufacturer and track deals/partnerships.

I agree. I think he may help with the brainstorming and pushing ideas and negotiating, but I think that is probably the his extent. That's typically how it works in top-down management, so it wouldn't surprise me to be true.

 

[doblocruiser]

They simply can't release a 'demo' with 3 tracks 10 and cars. Put it up on PSN for €5,- and let us play?

Appoint a community manager and keep information flowing through the social networks. Schedule a few qANDa's with several employées of PD. Tease with screenshots and regularly update on the développement. Get the involvement of fans and start to build a community. Add this with some early hands-on extra's published through GTP and I think we are good to go 👍

How hard can it be

 

[PureAlpha1206]

They simply can't release a 'demo' with 3 tracks 10 and cars. Put it up on PSN for €5,- and let us play?

Appoint a community manager and keep information flowing through the social networks. Schedule a few qANDa's with several employées of PD. Tease with screenshots and regularly update on the développement. Get the involvement of fans and start to build a community. Add this with some early hands-on extra's published through GTP and I think we are good to go 👍

How hard can it be

Why can't you be in charge of this all lol

That is literally all any of us are asking for at this point.

 

[Laffinassasin]

Can I just say on a positive note that I vividly remember 2-3 times a week going to a TOY shop that had a hidden gaming section at the back nobody knew about. I would spend two hours playing the GT demo and talking to the staff about how amazing the game was.

Can't believe that was over 18 years ago.

 

[trustjab]

Yeah, you're right, it's just the negative news since the official reveal:

• Gran Turismo Sport is Not GT7, More Substantial Than Prologue Titles
• Sony Executive Jim Ryan Confident in GT Sport Release Date
• Leaked Gran Turismo Concept Art Reveals New Cars, Tracks, & Locations
• Upcoming Hot Wheels Set Could Hint at GT Sport Roster
• Mysterious GT Info Screen Accompanies Acura ILX Racer

Oh, wait. No, the other thing.

It takes a single click of the blue Gran Turismo Sport category on the news article to get an overview on all of the pieces published on the game. I suppose even that is too much time invested compared to a pre-conceived notion?

What we've posted is the portion of the podcast where they discuss GT Sport. FM6 and Dirt Rally are both briefly mentioned on either side of it. If more on the subject is contained in that podcast, we'll report on that too, as it comes out.

I wasn't talking about gtplanet's posting of bad news being it's focus. Maybe I wasn't clear... what I said is the journalist seemed to focus or put up the negative, which is "GTSport not making it's release window". Not gtplanet. That's the gist of what he tweeted, that's how he presented it and that's how the gtplanet news piece presented it. I even asked if there was more to his piece that we don't know, or if what he took from his time there was GTSport will miss it's deadline.

Imo, the journalist (or whoever is in charge of the original story) put out a negative headline (tweet, media byte whatever) to get traction. So it seems you missed what my point was; that putting up something like that instead of something positive seems to be the norm. That may be a consequence of the state of the game, or just a general tone of the media today.

 

[doblocruiser]

Why can't you be in charge of this all lol

That is literally all any of us are asking for at this point.

Maybe Kaz is reading the forums 💡

It's not my ambition and in the past I've been already "mildly" negative of PD and GT. After a while and a bit of reflection I realized I've been with Gran Turismo since the début in 1997 and the series has brought many great hours of amusement. GT5 and GT6 have not at all been what I expected and for the release on PS4 I try to put my negative view behind me. New system, new chances and now it's up to PD to prove themselves.

 

[Ryan81]

GTSport is not GT7. I thought we already established this?

Well I think it is. Why would PD suddenly come out with a Gran Turismo game called GT Sport? I honestly believe that this is the next chapter after GT6 but they don't want to disappoint people because not everyone is in to FIA. The next game after this probably won't be released until 2020 IMO.

 

[Spagetti69]

Well I think it is. Why would PD suddenly come out with a Gran Turismo game called GT Sport? I honestly believe that this is the next chapter after GT6 but they don't want to disappoint people because not everyone is in to FIA. The next game after this probably won't be released until 2020 IMO.

So they have dropped the number system? Or will the game after this be GT8? I'm confused here.

 

[GTEFGHA]

Well I think it is. Why would PD suddenly come out with a Gran Turismo game called GT Sport? I honestly believe that this is the next chapter after GT6 but they don't want to disappoint people because not everyone is in to FIA. The next game after this probably won't be released until 2020 IMO.

GTSport is a spinoff of gran turismo series which is also more focused on motorsport/esport hence it's named GTSport.
I don't care what ridiculous theory you have GTS is NOT GT7 that has been said sooo many times, also even pd said GT7 is not GTS

 

[glassjaw]

Imo, the journalist (or whoever is in charge of the original story) put out a negative headline (tweet, media byte whatever) to get traction. So it seems you missed what my point was; that putting up something like that instead of something positive seems to be the norm. That may be a consequence of the state of the game, or just a general tone of the media today.

To be fair, "Game X is coming along smoothly, expected to hit release date" isn't much of a story. It's pretty much assumed things are going well enough until news breaks that development is not moving as quickly as planned.

Call me crazy, or maybe just biased because I work in journalism and news media, but radio silence from Polyphony and Sony for a game that was supposed to have a beta dropped within (let's be generous) the first four months of the year, with zero press coverage until now, is making me think this guy isn't just spouting nonsense to get clicks.

 

[PureAlpha1206]

I agree that GTS is not GT7. Has been spoken about time and time again, and there is nothing that is going to change the fact that GTS is some form of a spin off from the normal series. "Not a prologue"... fine, but it IS a separate game from the regular series.

The only theory I have at this point is that it will continue to stand on it's own separate from the standard GT series similar to Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon. That way, in the future during the development of games, they can do the whole rotating cycle idea to keep fans a little more happy and interested while they continue to make the newest game.

EDIT: I do wonder however if they are going to change up GT7 a little bit with GTS being more focused on the sport of racing. Could we see a less serious GT7 that is more Forza-esque?