Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[CSLACR]

In over 2 years, you mean?

From your link "It's important to know GT6 is the first major title release to not have any official delays".
Meaning:
1. Almost all have been officially delayed
2. Official delays aren't the same as all delays, which means that isn't counting any of the times they gave general timeframes and were totally wrong.

Another part of it is the 1,001 features that have been "coming to GT" that never did, and the features claimed to come with games, that didn't for months and even years of constant updates.

Believing anything from Sony or PD about a GT game before it's released is arguably foolhardy. Doesn't matter if it's a timeframe, features, or exact release date.

 

[sparkytooth]

Well they are the only ones able to give us actual information about the game, so this whole delay stuff that's been roughing up a few people is useless until someone officially says something.

 

[CSLACR]

Well they are the only ones able to give us actual information about the game, so this whole delay stuff that's been roughing up a few people is useless until someone officially says something.

That's my point. Based on their track record, they can't.

You'll know when the beta is coming out when it's out, and you'll know what features it actually has, when it's out.
And you'll know when GTS is coming, etc etc.

All this "it has to come from PD" is silly.
Not to mention the fact (as has been mentioned already) that obscure sources have broken actual news about this type of thing before.

 

[sparkytooth]

Well it kinda has to come from PD for it to be true.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

Man this thread is confusing

 

[dipsetab]

Man this thread is confusing

yup :3

 

[Yui-san]

According to Cyril Drevet (the French journalist in this tweet ,something was supposed to happen in March but finally no.
In fact Poly is very late on its schedule and having the beta for this year would be already something good.

http://static.gameblog.fr/podcasts/...le_jeux_de_courses_volants_etat_des_lieux.mp3
(At 1:08:15)

EDIT : my bad, he doesn't say having the beta for this year would be already something good. BUT he thinks that gt sport won't be released in 2016.

From what I heard in the conversation, they said:

Guy 1: How will it go for GT Sport?
Cyril: Well listen...it will be complicated. That's all I can say.
G: Why complicated? Is it due to the demand?
C: Well, something will happen in March
G: But you've said the Beta is coming at the start of the year
C: This won't happen in March (not sure if he's referring to his earlier statement or if he's answering the guy's question). From what I see, they have lots of "affairs" (not sure if he means concerns or work). Whether the game will come out at the end of the year as Sony hopes, I don't know personally.​

*Now I must admit that I'm not a native French speaker (I did take French for many years though), so those who are (e.g. @doblocruiser ), feel free to re-listen and correct me if I'm wrong)

To me, it all seems like his own speculation, so I don't think it changes anything.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

racing eSport will become a very huge advertising market in the future. Not in the next years but in the next decades. On the one side there will be robocars on real tracks and on the other side there will be the eRacers in their playseats. At iRacing and at teams like team redline we could see right now the direction. And i think this market will not stick only to the playstation. This is the reason why i think it could be the better strategy for PD and Sony to use the current drive with FIA to become a first leader in this new market and not only on PS. The next point i am interested in is what happen about the cooperation with Nissan inside GT sport? Will GT sport also in the future create the real drivers exclusive for Nissan? I don't think so.

That's due to all eSports becoming a big market in general. If they could get manufactures to sponsor these guys that's be cool, but there would have to be some real world application to it, or it'd just be the same people that sponsor eSports now sponsoring the racing eSports.

 

[MXH]

kinda called it me and a few of my friends have been placing bets and predicting when GTS beta and full game will drop

You and your friends are better off playing the lottery.

 

[trustjab]

Respectable journalist or not, he has no clue if gtsport will come early or late this year. I think that says it all. Even as someone who went to PD's workplace, he didn't get an answer on the date. Neither did he go into any new specifics regarding the game. The same information we have, he just reiterated in a vague sort of unspecific way using different wording. The facebook responses from GT have basically said the same thing he has aside the 'don't think it'll make it this year'.

The willingness to jump on anything negative here amazes me. I get being objective, but the majority isn't constructive at all. Can we also focus on news in a positive? I'll start-

Hey, a journalist got to see PD's offices and such! Wonder if he got any sneak peaks?

 

[ScottPuss20]

Oh, delays, shock horror. Look, I don't care if the game actually is delayed. If it means a better package then it isn't a problem. However, if the game isn't great I'll be spewing.

 

[chzsln485]

So something will happen this month, but not the beta. That's pretty much what the journalist said, and that's something I think we knew anyway. He thinks GT Sport won't happen this year at all (which is merely his opinion, it seems, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's an opinion shared by the more pessimistic amongst us). So yes, unless he can tell us something concrete re: a delay, the vague language suggests it is simply speculation.

 

[Soundtrack]

this escalated quickly… even receiving front page news status!

It would be interesting to know if Cyril Drevet used "a priori" in the deductive or presumptive meaning though. Also he rather explicitly confirms he may not have been given the full picture. Better throw this in the low reliability bin...

 

[Imari]

Oh, delays, shock horror. Look, I don't care if the game actually is delayed. If it means a better package then it isn't a problem. However, if the game isn't great I'll be spewing.

This.

If it needs to be delayed, then they should delay it. It'd sure be nice if they'd break from tradition and just say that in public, but whatever.

Better throw this in the low reliability bin...

Yep. It's circumstantial evidence at best. It sort of reinforces the conclusions a lot of people were coming to, but it's just one guy's opinion. Albeit a guy who probably has seen more that we have.

But really, they have a beta due out in the next six weeks and we've had one trailer. It's hardly beyond the realms of belief that things aren't going to plan. As I posted earlier in this thread, in one of his pre-GT6 interviews Kaz said that the next PS4 game would be out a year or two after GT6. Obviously then things already haven't gone to plan, so a few more hiccups to push the beta to mid/late 2016 and the full release to 2017 would be no surprise.

We all recall the famous prediction that they could release GT5 any time they wanted, or that the course maker would be in GT6 at or near release. Maybe this is just one more case of Polyphony pulling a date from their corporate buttocks without any consideration of how feasible it actually was.

 

[MarchingSaint]

March is usually the time where the GTAcademy challenges pop out, maybe we'll get the GTAcademy standalone for PS4 like it happened before with GT6 if i remember correctly. Together with the GT6 GTAcademy of course.

 

[Ryan81]

Yeah usual BS with PD. I bet GT Sport is GT7 with a different name. Can't see a separate GT game coming out a year or two after this is released. But of course PD know that people will be fuming if they told them that GTS is the next GT7 and is devoted to eSports and FIA.

 

[MarchingSaint]

On the other hand, the french journalist notet that "something that should have happened in spring will probably not happen" maybe noting how Darren Cox leaving Nissan impacted the GTAcademy program.

 

[TS050]

I bet GT Sport is GT7 with a different name.

GTSport is not GT7. I thought we already established this?

 

[chzsln485]

On the other hand, the french journalist notet that "something that should have happened in spring will probably not happen" maybe noting how Darren Cox leaving Nissan impacted the GTAcademy program.

That's what I thought. The general consensus that GT Academy was either ending, or at least becoming less of a focus, as suggested by the depature of Cox from Nissan, as well as the abandonment of Nissan's LMP1 programme, among other things. I think GT Sport's FIA Championships are perhaps meant to take over from GT Academy in some fashion.

 

[jm79]

We probably shouldn't be giving PD quite so much stick here - after all, for this thing to work properly, they need FIA involvement and approval. And that just cannot be an easy or quick process.

The FIA probably also have the option to pull out entirely.

A studio known for delays, combined, for the first time, with an outside organisation unrelated to videogames?

Remember, this, from the FIA's website: "As a second key element of the partnership, FIA & PDI plan to launch an official FIA Online Championship in 2015 with the intention of offering the large number of Gran Turismo players and motor sport fans the opportunity to engage with real motor sport."

 

[Imari]

March is usually the time where the GTAcademy challenges pop out, maybe we'll get the GTAcademy standalone for PS4 like it happened before with GT6 if i remember correctly. Together with the GT6 GTAcademy of course.

It's probably a fairly safe bet at this point that GTA is dead. It's main proponent inside Nissan is gone and they've been ditching graduates from their motorsports programs left and right. I doubt what they want now is the proverbial more mouths to feed.

GTSport is not GT7. I thought we already established this?

It's hard to tell. On one hand they say it isn't, but on the other GTS could very well simply be a rebranding of the Gran Turismo franchise.

It's very difficult to say at this point whether GTS is a side project like say, Forza Horizon, or just messing around with names like Xbox 360 and Xbox 1 (it's Xbox 2 and 3, we all know this).

We probably shouldn't be giving PD quite so much stick here - after all, for this thing to work properly, they need FIA involvement and approval. And that just cannot be an easy or quick process.

Probably not easy or quick at all. But if I were to pick which part of that partnership were to be dragging it's heels, I'd have to say it's probably Polyphony.

The FIA can just rubberstamp stuff, unless it really wants to get involved in game development. On the other hand, Polyphony have a long history of dragging stuff out.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but I think it's fair that Polyphony take responsibility here. It's their game, it's their project, it's their job to make it happen. Someone has to wear the pants, and it should be Polyphony.

I feel the same about the Vision GT project. Regardless of where the delays and problems came from, it's Polyphony's job to make it happen or tell the manufacturers to get bent. Politely, obviously. But if other companies are causing them problems then they need to address the ways that affects their own product.

A baker can't be beholden to the whims of the flour mill. They have contracts for supply with penalty clauses, alternative suppliers, stockpiles of raw materials, and so on. Not all of these things are directly applicable to software development, but that's the sort of mindset Polyphony should be using to approach other companies that have the potential to leave them high and dry. Protect themselves and their customers so that they're not left in awkward situations.

 

[PorscheHD]

The problem is and always was the most stupid ass communication of Sony and Pholy.

Just give us some screens and gameplay and tell what the piep is going on. Iam a big GT dan from GT1 but this is just stupid...... Getting tired of this company thats ******** on his fans like this.

Just tell us how it is show us what you are doing and then i/we can wait for the big day. Know we are waiting and dont know ****.....

Brrrrr

 

[Soundtrack]

@Imari

Don’t really care about that guy’s opinion, just questioning his journalism ethics.

And yes, history may well repeat itself but at this point there is no way to exclude that it won’t. Holiday season sounds more like a target than a promise, and as long as spring isn’t over the beta will be on Sony’s expected schedule.

 

[jm79]

Regardless of where the delays and problems came from, it's Polyphony's job to make it happen or tell the manufacturers to get bent.

Without wishing to start a massive back and forth here, I politely disagree

We're not talking about some small auto-parts maker here, this is the FIA, the governing body of all motorsports. PD are not going to be bossing these guys around.

Also, not sure they just 'rubberstamp'. Sure, they can check tracks for certification and whatnot, but setting up an officially certified international motorsports event in a completely new 'area' (digital) they know nothing about? I bet most members of the FIA have never played a videogame, full stop.

PD have gone out on a limb here, and it will be an incredible thing if it works, but it is a massive risk, and this Beta delay (if it really is that) will most likely be the first of many. Steel yourselves!

 

[Samus]

Whatever the reality is hopefully if this gets enough press it'll force PD to get off their behinds and actually tell us the truth.

We probably shouldn't be giving PD quite so much stick here - after all, for this thing to work properly, they need FIA involvement and approval. And that just cannot be an easy or quick process.

The FIA probably also have the option to pull out entirely.

A studio known for delays, combined, for the first time, with an outside organisation unrelated to videogames?

Remember, this, from the FIA's website: "As a second key element of the partnership, FIA & PDI plan to launch an official FIA Online Championship in 2015 with the intention of offering the large number of Gran Turismo players and motor sport fans the opportunity to engage with real motor sport."

The FIA could have an impact on delays, absolutely. PD could still communicate with us about what is going on. I mean what you highlighted there, obviously it never happened but did PD tell us why? No, they just said nothing and hoped people forgot they ever said it'd come in 2015. Not the first time they've done that, either. They announce things, don't deliver, and say nothing why.

That or they delivery a long time after they said they would but still say nothing as to why. The latest example being the course maker. Why did it take so long? Why was it tablet only officially? Lot's of questions, rarely an answer from PD.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Well Folks GDC is on Tuesday, I suggest we stop speculating till then, if GTS is a no show there then a delay is probably on the cards.

Also something to point out that all of this is the guy's opinion, if PD suggested to him there will be a delay then there would be some sort of NDA, still hope yet .

 

[Imari]

Don’t really care about that guy’s opinion, just questioning his journalism ethics.

I don't understand French, but I thought it was pretty clear in the various translations that we've had that he thinks that something that was going to happen in March may not happen, that he thinks there's a lot of work to be done, and that he isn't sure that it will be out by the end of the year.

What journalistic ethics are those violating? He's a journalist, unless he signed an NDA he's supposed to be talking about the stuff he's seen.

We're not talking about some small auto-parts maker here, this is the FIA, the governing body of all motorsports. PD are not going to be bossing these guys around.

Why not?

As you say, the FIA have no knowledge of video games and Polyphony really, really does. Why should the FIA be steering the ship? They don't know what they're doing. The FIA is the governing body of motorsports, and Polyphony have the biggest racing game franchise in the world.

The first conversation that Polyphony should have had with the FIA before this even started was "what things would a video game need to have in order for you to sanction it?" If the things they ask for are not possible, thanks very much, have a nice day. If the things they ask for are possible, then it's in Polyphony's hands to do something with that.

If Polyphony didn't sort this stuff out up front and started advertising a FIA sanctioned game without knowing exactly what that entailed, then that's totally on Polyphony. If they put the FIA in a position where they can seriously cockblock the whole development project, then that's just awful planning.

Ready, fire, aim is not a particularly good way to develop products as it opens you up to all sorts of potential problems.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

From your link "It's important to know GT6 is the first major title release to not have any official delays".
Meaning:
1. Almost all have been officially delayed
2. Official delays aren't the same as all delays, which means that isn't counting any of the times they gave general timeframes and were totally wrong.

I totally agree with that - you should have said that in the first place rather than making someting up

Although I think there is something to be said for the fact their most recent game was announced and released smoothly - it could mean they are on a more sensible path. Unlikely, but at least we know they are capable of it

 

[jm79]

then that's just awful planning.

Haha, PD in a nutshell

 

[Soundtrack]

I don't understand French, but I thought it was pretty clear in the various translations that we've had that he thinks that something that was going to happen in March may not happen, that he thinks there's a lot of work to be done, and that he isn't sure that it will be out by the end of the year.

What journalistic ethics are those violating? He's a journalist, unless he signed an NDA he's supposed to be talking about the stuff he's seen.

Considering march is far from over he must have been given a clear corrective of the initial information I guess. Unless of course he is just speculating… Again, I don't really care about what he thinks.