Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[Fryto]

Oh, delays, shock horror. Look, I don't care if the game actually is delayed. If it means a better package then it isn't a problem. However, if the game isn't great I'll be spewing.

If there weren't any delays, it wouldn't be a real Gran Turismo game, no?

 

[FoRiZon]

Irony of Gran Turismo: The thing that bonds people together here, is also the same thing that dividing people altogether.

 

[Samus]

The only reason GT6 wasn't delayed is because they hadn't finished it but unlike in the past released it anyway, I would assume because Sony said it absolutely had to be on a shelf before the holiday period that year. Who knows how GT6 on PS3 would've fared with a mid-late 2014 release. Not well, I'd imagine.

 

[Imari]

I agree. GT6 wasn't delayed because it couldn't be. PS4/X1 was already out. Had they given it another 6 to 12 months in the oven like it probably needed, we would have been solidly into the next generation and it would have sold three fifths of bugger all. Had they waited until the next holiday season it would have been a laughing stock.

That 2013 holiday season was the last sensible time to release a major PS3 game, and so they had to go for it regardless of the actual quality of the game.

Had that not been a factor, I imagine based on previous games that they probably would have delayed again. I mean, GT4 was delayed a year and is arguably the best GT game. GT6 wasn't delayed and is pretty much unquestionably the worst. GT6 had potential but was released way too early to possibly manage to live up to it. It should have been delayed, but circumstances ruled that out.

There's a decent argument that GT on PS3 that late in the generation was a dumb idea anyway, but hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Samus]

I agree. GT6 wasn't delayed because it couldn't be. PS4/X1 was already out. Had they given it another 6 to 12 months in the oven like it probably needed, we would have been solidly into the next generation and it would have sold three fifths of bugger all. Had they waited until the next holiday season it would have been a laughing stock.

That 2013 holiday season was the last sensible time to release a major PS3 game, and so they had to go for it regardless of the actual quality of the game.

Had that not been a factor, I imagine based on previous games that they probably would have delayed again. I mean, GT4 was delayed a year and is arguably the best GT game. GT6 wasn't delayed and is pretty much unquestionably the worst. GT6 had potential but was released way too early to possibly manage to live up to it. It should have been delayed, but circumstances ruled that out.

There's a decent argument that GT on PS3 that late in the generation was a dumb idea anyway, but hindsight is 20/20.

Ironically it was the extensive delays of GT5 that meant they couldn't delay GT6.

 

[doblocruiser]

I really hoped the vibe around GT Sport would be positive but currently it seems to go down the same route as GT5 and GT6

If things don't go to plan, that's fine. If more work is needed to be done, that's fine. If GT Sport needs to be delayed, that's fine. Just make a serious effort to interact with your fanbase!

Simply communicate PD! It could do wonders for you but also for GTP.

Look how it worked out for EVO

 

[jm79]

If things don't go to plan, that's fine. If more work is needed to be done, that's fine. If GT Sport needs to be delayed, that's fine. Just make a serious effort to interact with your fanbase!

Simply communicate PD!

So true, couldn't agree more. It's like they still think it's 1997.

 

[PzR Slim]

So true, couldn't agree more. It's like they still think it's 1997.

For me that is true of most Japanese developers. They are stuck in the past. Old ideas, old game mechanics. The gaming landscape have moved on so much over the past 20 years but they still seem stuck in the past in Japan.

Not that I'm saying all ideas form the past are not still good or relevant, some still are, but so much has changed and they don't seem to have embraced that.

 

[Castrol96]

We waited a year for a GT5 prologue for PS3 and now we might have to wait 4 years for GT Sport. God know about when GT7'S coming out.

 

[Laffinassasin]

The bottom line is.......

GT5 was delayed yet came out exactly 4 years after PS3 in NA. PD had the additional "headaches" of releasing during that time: GT:HD, GT5P and GT PSP. Likely had a smaller team, no WWS/outside help, difficult to develop PS3......

Something isn't right at PD and it isn't PD being PD....IMO.

 

[marky5244]

lol, here we go again...

 

[xStretch-]

The only reason GT6 wasn't delayed is because they hadn't finished it but unlike in the past released it anyway, I would assume because Sony said it absolutely had to be on a shelf before the holiday period that year. Who knows how GT6 on PS3 would've fared with a mid-late 2014 release. Not well, I'd imagine.

But even though they released an unfinished game, they least they could do is patch some of the woeful issues it has. In my Super GT championship, we can't even race anymore as the servers crash or cause issues. Its such a shame.

On the note of GT Sport, they really need to adopt a safety rating concept. Just because the game is being made out to be a professional online championship it won't stop people from smashing into you and running you off the road. They need to create the correct splits to separate drivers in different catagorys and create a safety rating. It has so much potential but I've lost a lot of faith in PD over the last 6 years.

 

[AKps3]

According to Cyril Drevet (the French journalist in this tweet ,something was supposed to happen in March but finally no.
In fact Poly is very late on its schedule and having the beta for this year would be already something good.

http://static.gameblog.fr/podcasts/...le_jeux_de_courses_volants_etat_des_lieux.mp3
(At 1:08:15)

EDIT : my bad, he doesn't say having the beta for this year would be already something good. BUT he thinks that gt sport won't be released in 2016.

The same guy said GT Sport could release in October and now he think it will come 2017? Cyril Drevet
hmm




Please PD give us some official news!

 

[jm79]

The thing that disturbs me most about this whole situation is Cyril's orange waistcoat.

 

[queleuleu]

I don't know what to believe. Just a little tip for Poly : learn from the communication of Evo studio. A question, an aswer. You're not a military/defense company to be that secretive.

 

[eisento]

gt sport release date?

 

[davidt33]

In all seriousness it's now just coming up on three years since Kaz told us this.

Given that obviously he had already started work on the PS4 game before that statement, it's still going to be around 4 years before their first game arrives on this "simple" system, and said game isn't going to be as fully featured as a mainline numbered title. That could be another 2+ years.

What are they doing?

In my opinion due to the length of time it's now taking so long to release the new version for PS4 or even to add any further VGT cars to the half-empty slots PD/ GT is allowing the competition to take over the lead they've maintained for many years and that is a pity.

 

[Imari]

I really hoped the vibe around GT Sport would be positive but currently it seems to go down the same route as GT5 and GT6

You seem to forget, the community was generally very positive about GT5. It was frustrating how long it took, but most people were pretty convinced that it would be worth it in the end.

It was only after the fiasco that was GT5 that people really started hanging 🤬 on Polyphony. If you're gonna take 5 years to make a game then fine, but it needs to be GTA V level and GT5 just wasn't. Especially not on release.

For me that is true of most Japanese developers. They are stuck in the past. Old ideas, old game mechanics. The gaming landscape have moved on so much over the past 20 years but they still seem stuck in the past in Japan.

Really?

Metal Gear isn't stuck in the past. Konami is a bunch of retards, but the game itself has come a long way.
Final Fantasy has kept changing. Possibly not for the better, most of the FF13 series was dubious at best but mechanically it was a big step away from what was traditional.
Dark Souls shook things up pretty hard.
And so on.

There are as many Japanese developers making big changes to their games as there are western ones, and there's as many western developers peddling derivative crap as there are Japanese ones.

Don't write off as cultural what can be attributed solely to Polyphony's own style.

GT5 was delayed yet came out exactly 4 years after PS3 in NA. PD had the additional "headaches" of releasing during that time: GT:HD, GT5P and GT PSP. Likely had a smaller team, no WWS/outside help, difficult to develop PS3......

Something isn't right at PD and it isn't PD being PD....IMO.

Let the excuses begin. Next you'll be telling us the dog ate their homework.

Whatever is going on, it's something that all developers have to deal with. Polyphony have a leg up on most, being a first party studio with a relatively large budget and (historically at least) a fair amount of freedom. My sympathy for them is severely limited if they still can't produce something under those conditions.

 

[KinLM]

But even though they released an unfinished game, they least they could do is patch some of the woeful issues it has. In my Super GT championship, we can't even race anymore as the servers crash or cause issues. Its such a shame.

On the note of GT Sport, they really need to adopt a safety rating concept. Just because the game is being made out to be a professional online championship it won't stop people from smashing into you and running you off the road. They need to create the correct splits to separate drivers in different catagorys and create a safety rating. It has so much potential but I've lost a lot of faith in PD over the last 6 years.

As has been stated MANY times, the issues with servers in GT is not related to PD but rather to Sony reallocating/shutting down some servers (I believe? Don't quote me on exactly what) to either have them work for PS4 or just to have them shut down..

Either way this is a Sony issue and not a PD one, as a result it causes issues such as disconnection during heavy traffic hours, such as weekends or evenings.

PD is doing a lot wrong but don't blame them for the few things that aren't actually their fault.

 

[CSLACR]

I totally agree with that - you should have said that in the first place rather than making someting up

Although I think there is something to be said for the fact their most recent game was announced and released smoothly - it could mean they are on a more sensible path. Unlikely, but at least we know they are capable of it

I didn't make anything up. GT6 was delayed, just not "officially". Kaz said it would be a year or two after GT5, and it was 3 years.
So it escapes the official delay category, but it still took a lot longer than PD's initial vague estimations. We have vague estimations for GTS, so I don't have to strain my brain to figure it out. Furthermore, as has been mentioned, Kaz said GT7 could be released in a year or two, wrong. FIA said 2015, wrong.
GTS is already delayed even if the beta releases today.

Lastly, also mentioned already, GT6 was incredibly unfinished at release, so that would be the single worst example of being on time I can imagine. Not to mention all vague timeframes (which is what we have now) for GT6 were wrong if memory serves me right. Kaz's comment of a year or two wasn't even close.

 

[LfcIceman]

This is what you guys look like everytime I open GTplanet forum!

That right there is GTS, can we talk about GTS please?

 

[CSLACR]

What's better than the conversations is all the people that repeatedly pop in and post absolutely nothing, other than to say "wow", and "I'm confused", and pleading that people not talk about GTS until "we hear something".

 

[ToyGTone]

So true, couldn't agree more. It's like they still think it's 1997.

Offtopic but someone could explain me what's all about that "they stuck in the 90's" thing??

Apart from that, i agree about the lack of communication.

 

[jm79]

What's better than the conversations is all the people that repeatedly pop in and post absolutely nothing, other than to say "wow", and "I'm confused", and pleading that people not talk about GTS until "we hear something".

Yeah, the plea for us all to 'stop speculating' was pretty silly.
We're GT fans on a GT forum on GTPlanet forchrissakes! What the hell else are we gonna do?

 

[TRGTspecialist]

I didn't make anything up. GT6 was delayed, just not "officially". Kaz said it would be a year or two after GT5, and it was 3 years.

Fair enough - I was unaware of that particular Kaz-ism, and I thought you were referring to official release dates anyway.

GTS is already delayed even if the beta releases today.

? That surely depends on how you define "Early 2016" and it's probably best that discussion isn't brought up again

Lastly, also mentioned already, GT6 was incredibly unfinished at release, so that would be the single worst example of being on time I can imagine. Not to mention all vague timeframes (which is what we have now) for GT6 were wrong if memory serves me right. Kaz's comment of a year or two wasn't even close.

True - it was functional/unbroken on release but certainly not feature complete. For me that's enough to say the original date still stands (not very strongly, yes, but hey you take what you can get from PD ), but I can understand that for others the "real" release date was whenever the Course Maker was brought out last year. But that's a discussion for another day.

 

[CSLACR]

Offtopic but someone could explain me what's all about that "they stuck in the 90's" thing??

Apart from that, i agree about the lack of communication.

I think lack of communication you mention is the answer.

Fair enough - I was unaware of that particular Kaz-ism, and I thought you were referring to official release dates anyway.



? That surely depends on how you define "Early 2016" and it's probably best that discussion isn't brought up again



True - it was functional/unbroken on release but certainly not feature complete. For me that's enough to say the original date still stands (not very strongly, yes, but hey you take what you can get from PD ), but I can understand that for others the "real" release date was whenever the Course Maker was brought out last year. But that's a discussion for another day.

When I say GTS is already delayed, as I mentioned already, it's because Kaz said GT7 would be out in a year or two. That has turned into a sub game that is seemingly not a full GT7, but more like another prologue. And it's about 2.5 years already, and not even the beta for the potential prologue is out.
Even if we give the benefit of the doubt, and call GTS a renamed GT7, its still going to be 3 years, not a year or two. Now add in FIA's mention of events in 2015, they were obviously planning on it being released before this year began, even if they were planning a Dec 31st beta release for 2015 when they typed it, it's still overdue. So both PD and the FIA had plans for this game to exist already, and it doesn't.
That's what I call a delay. It's not official because they didn't post an exact date, but all original timeframes are blown.
"Early 2016" is simply the newest vague timeframe, will it be right? Who knows, but it's already waaay behind the original schedule.

 

[Zlork]

It's pretty amazing that a bad site as Gameblog shook GTPlanet and maybe elsewhere.

Personally, I wait quietly. I play other games, news will come when they will arrive. I don't need to search in all sites for something related to GTS.

It becomes serious. Take care of your health, there are much worse things in life.

 

[doblocruiser]

@Zlork I just would like to know where you get the information that they are that bad? What makes it worse than the one you are involved in?

They seem to be getting invited by quiet a few publisher so please enlighten me what's wrong with them.

edit: only found some old stuff from 2011 - 2014 and in 2014 they replaced the chief editor and I don't find bad stuff afterwards.

 

[DMacs13]

I just bought a PC after I seen this....

https://www.gtplanet.net/could-gran-turismo-sport-be-bumped-to-2017/

I'll be on iracing until the time has come.

 

[lancia delta hf]

The problem is and always was the most stupid ass communication of Sony and Pholy.

Just give us some screens and gameplay and tell what the piep is going on. Iam a big GT dan from GT1 but this is just stupid...... Getting tired of this company thats ******** on his fans like this.

Just tell us how it is show us what you are doing and then i/we can wait for the big day. Know we are waiting and dont know ****.....

Brrrrr

You will get nothing and you will damn well buy it when it comes out. Thats PD's stance. If every one completely stopped posting in the gt forums and just posted in other sections, PD would would start getting worried and realise its not their right that old fans must buy the game. The just think people will blindly buy their product, zero consideration for fans of their franchise. People need to make them win fans/customers over, like other devs do by showing vids, details, communicating. PD just take it for granted fans will buy their game and they are partially right.