Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

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Same here. It's random-ish, but since most of the cars in the beta are GR.3 then the probability to get one is always high.
The only n300 cars ice got so far are the focus st, and the Ebola. They suck horribly compared to the evo, and the wrx. I get owned so bad in the races.
 
Haha, yeah I knew what you meant, I was just joking with you.

I've heard from quite a few people that the Lotus Evora is a serious handful to drive, and it being in the N300 class gives it somewhat unfair competition against all wheel drive vehicles.
It may as well be known as Ebola then lol, it is unfair to see the web and evos way ahead and I'm trying to stop a car from dragging it's tail around a corner like a forced drift. Or like the focus trying to turn a charging bull.
 
Seems PD is using the beta as a kind of turned down prologue. After playing the beta I simply can't see this game releasing anytime soon. Early 2018 is what I expect.

Just a thought - we dont know what they want to test with the beta. Is it physics or just bop/dr/sr/server or similar. And for that reason we don t know how closely the beta resembles the current developement version.
 
Is that Amar on Neogaf that said he just got his code? Are they rolling them out in the EU again?

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Finally got my code.
Where canI find the tunes people are using? It is ridicilous difference in times I see in quailify?
Also, I am crazy because of ratings. I managed to get clas S in my SR; but I am D for the DR. So, I am constantly last, because there is no D drivers in damn S class :/
 
The pre race loading screen with your driver sitting behind your car is brilliant. Looks like real life. Would love to see that expanded to let us have the camera show more of the garage space.
Does everyone still have the terrible grain there?

I'm willing to bet they will go to the extend of releasing an unfinished product if needed in order to not miss 2017's holiday season.
I think most of the games are released like that nowadays. Or maybe not unfinished, but big changes are often made during the 1st year. I kind of prefere that. Only time shows the final form and i rather take the active followup than sticking with the "finished" product without any major updates.

What i find interesting is to see if GTS will jump in with the selling content as expansions. We got alot of extra content for gt6 - yes a lot of which was promoted pre-launch, but we got it for free vs. Forza/AC. The price for those games with content I think should be part of the base game in somewhere beyond 80-90€/$. :scared::indiff:
 
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I think most of the games are released like that nowadays. Or maybe not unfinished, but big changes are often made during the 1st year. I kind of prefere that. Only time shows the final form and i rather take the active followup than sticking with the "finished" product without any major updates.

What i find interesting is to see if GTS will jump in with the selling content as expansions. We got alot of extra content for gt6 - yes a lot of which was promoted pre-launch, but we got it for free vs. Forza/AC. The price for those games with content I think should be part of the base game in somewhere beyond 80-90€/$. :scared::indiff:

Don’t get me wrong, I wasn’t shooting at PD in particular. As you say this behaviour has become a trend in our digitally connected world. My point is more on the fact Sony will likely not want to miss another end of the year release.

GT sport is bound to get updated both in content and features. DLC will be a free (sponsored) and monetized mix I believe.
 
Just a thought - we dont know what they want to test with the beta. Is it physics or just bop/dr/sr/server or similar. And for that reason we don t know how closely the beta resembles the current developement version.
What I understood from the sign up during the beta was PD wanted to test the serverload for online play. It seems that we have gone from netwerkcodetesting to testing a "complete" product. Graphics, physics, network etc etc. This simply makes me think their product as further from release than we might actually think. E3 will hopefully answer the many questions there are. PD's margin for error is zero this year because of the fierce competition that rises all around them. E3 must be a garanteed succes for them if they want to keep players and fans tied closely to their product.

I can only speak for myself but I downloaded the 1.05 update to test it out and I ran it 2 times I think. After I deleted GT Sport from my PS4. I am simply very dissappointed with what I got to see. I will buy GT Sport mainly as a photomode "game" but the racing I will only do what is necessary to obtain the cars I want to take pictures of. I also won't be playing this game online as it killed all my appetite for it. After the copper event I was even willing to take a PS+ for it but I don't feel that need any longer.

I think the lighting engine is superb, the menus are great and the speed in which the game loads is fantastic. If we look a bit closer towards the graphics it is rather underwelming. Their lightning engine hides some imperfections but the PS3 backgrounds, lack of details on the track, the empty feel to it, can't be hidden with their lighting engine. It looks dull and boring. PD seems uncapable of presenting that "racing" feeling.

What is the actual improvement over GT3, GT4, GT5 and GT6 besides the graphics and online focus? It is really hard to tell.
 
I ran it 2 times I think. After I deleted GT Sport from my PS4. I am simply very dissappointed with what I got to see.

Maybe give it a second chance.. :lol: For one the tuning of the cars has massive impact on how they feel vs. the stock tunes.

Reading the rest of you post, i see we are rating the game based on very different parts of it. Not that mine is the right one.. :cheers::lol: Its just that i havent felt any issues with the graphics.. I guess the little things there dont matter to me in a racing game. ;)
 
Maybe give it a second chance.. :lol: For one the tuning of the cars has massive impact on how they feel vs. the stock tunes.

Reading the rest of you post, i see we are rating the game based on very different parts of it. Not that mine is the right one.. :cheers::lol: Its just that i havent felt any issues with the graphics.. I guess the little things there dont matter to me in a racing game. ;)

That is good for you @Haitauer ! There is no right and wrong because it really depends on what a person is looking for in a game. As we both have different expectations it is completely understandable we differ in opinion 👍
 
And for that reason we don t know how closely the beta resembles the current developement version.

We don't, but it's a public version of the game. It only hurts them to have it look or perform worse than absolutely necessary for whatever testing they're doing. This isn't like Copper Box where they can bully all the journalists into taking their footage down if it goes pear shaped.

I think most of the games are released like that nowadays.

I think far less games than you'd think are released like that nowadays. Patching is a thing, but unfinished releases on the level of something like GT6 are incredibly rare. You only feel like they're not because they get so much press.

We got alot of extra content for gt6 - yes a lot of which was promoted pre-launch, but we got it for free vs. Forza/AC.

The extra stuff for GT6 was mostly stuff that should have been in there at launch and wasn't. You also forget that Forza and AC give out a fair amount of free stuff too, alongside the paid stuff.

Simply delivering on advertised content is not particularly laudable. I find it distressing every time someone attempts to use this as a positive for Polyphony, that they shipped a game without significant features but then they actually did ship (most of) them! Woo.

For most companies, delivering the product that you paid for is considered the bare minimum that is acceptable. Why give Polyphony a pat on the back for doing what they had to do in order to avoid class action law suits?
 
We don't, but it's a public version of the game. It only hurts them to have it look or perform worse than absolutely necessary for whatever testing they're doing. This isn't like Copper Box where they can bully all the journalists into taking their footage down if it goes pear shaped.



I think far less games than you'd think are released like that nowadays. Patching is a thing, but unfinished releases on the level of something like GT6 are incredibly rare. You only feel like they're not because they get so much press.



The extra stuff for GT6 was mostly stuff that should have been in there at launch and wasn't. You also forget that Forza and AC give out a fair amount of free stuff too, alongside the paid stuff.

Simply delivering on advertised content is not particularly laudable. I find it distressing every time someone attempts to use this as a positive for Polyphony, that they shipped a game without significant features but then they actually did ship (most of) them! Woo.

For most companies, delivering the product that you paid for is considered the bare minimum that is acceptable. Why give Polyphony a pat on the back for doing what they had to do in order to avoid class action law suits?

While basically correct, for the most part, all this does is make you look like an overly entitled gamer, in my humble opinion. No offence meant. :cheers:

It's a matter of what you feel you deserve. I don't feel like I deserve that much from a company, any company. I'll just see what the game has to offer, and buy it or not. There's no arrogance or conspiracy, or malicious, trickster intent.

It's just a game, buy it or not.

(braces for incoming heat)

:)
 
While basically correct, for the most part, all this does is make you look like an overly entitled gamer, in my humble opinion. No offence meant. :cheers:

It's a matter of what you feel you deserve. I don't feel like I deserve that much from a company, any company. I'll just see what the game has to offer, and buy it or not. There's no arrogance or conspiracy, or malicious, trickster intent.

It's just a game, buy it or not.

(braces for incoming heat)

:)
Comparing PD to it's competitors has nothing to do with entitlement nor does it imply arrogance, conspiracy, malice or deception. It's just a comparison, like it or not. I think you are imputing your own negative perception of why people criticize the franchise onto someone else.
 
While basically correct, for the most part, all this does is make you look like an overly entitled gamer, in my humble opinion. No offence meant. :cheers:

Yeah, no.

You don't get to tag on "no offence meant" to a statement that is entirely offensive and attempt to avoid the consequences. No cute emojis, no winky takebacks, if you're going to be abusive then at least have the balls to stand behind what you're saying. If you don't mean offence, then don't write offensive things.

You point me to what I wrote in that post that's entitled.

-I pointed out that the public beta is likely a good representation of the current best working internal build, given that it's in their interest to present the best possible product to the public. That's just an opinion based on clear reasoning, it's not entitled.
-I pointed out that actually not that many games are released incomplete or broken, it's just a highly visible few that make it feel that way. This point is totally debatable and I'd be happy to discuss it, but I don't see how it's entitled.
-I pointed out that saying that content was provided for free with GT6 but not with AC/Forza is factually incorrect, and comparing the content that was provided post release for AC/Forza as additional DLC (both free and paid) with the content that was advertised at launch as part of GT6 but only provided later was somewhat of a poor comparison. That's not entitled, that just how it is.
-I pointed out that giving a company props for delivering the product that you paid for is stupid. You can view it as overly entitled to think that paying my money for a product entitles me to that product as described. I suppose in some ways it is. But that would make every single purchaser of a product anytime, anywhere "overly entitled". I would say that removes any meaning at all from the term, and makes it completely useless as a pejorative (which is clearly how you intended it).

You point me to where I said I deserve anything.

You sure you're not overreacting to something that isn't there? Or are you just clutching for another opportunity to pin a nasty label on me because you dislike what I've said on other occasions?
 
While basically correct, for the most part, all this does is make you look like an overly entitled gamer, in my humble opinion. No offence meant. :cheers:

It's a matter of what you feel you deserve. I don't feel like I deserve that much from a company, any company. I'll just see what the game has to offer, and buy it or not. There's no arrogance or conspiracy, or malicious, trickster intent.

It's just a game, buy it or not.

(braces for incoming heat)

:)

"No offense but" is not a blank cheque to hide behind when trying to insult others.

When you go to a restaurant and order steak frites, and the potato portion is supposed to arrive with the rest of the meal, but instead arrives after everything is consumed and the bill is on the table, is that acceptable? Are you an "entitled" customer for expecting it all to arrive at once? And, should the restaurant be applauded for simply getting them out, time be damned?
 
While basically correct, for the most part, all this does is make you look like an overly entitled gamer, in my humble opinion. No offence meant. :cheers:

It's a matter of what you feel you deserve. I don't feel like I deserve that much from a company, any company. I'll just see what the game has to offer, and buy it or not. There's no arrogance or conspiracy, or malicious, trickster intent.

It's just a game, buy it or not.

(braces for incoming heat)

:)
Over entitled gamer? PDI centered their whole promotion of GT6 around Rhonda and the course maker, community feature and GPS logger. Some of these features took between one and two years to arrive after GT6 launched, som3 features shrunk and shrunk from Kaz's first ludicrous claims in regards to the size of course maker. Some features such as driving through the town of Rhonda and making your own track using GPS didn't happen at all, and some features were nothing like the way they promoted such as needing a specific device to be able to use course maker when it eventually did arrive. Over entitled gamers ey?
Like what???
Probably like the truth.
 
Yeah, I stand by it. Gamers can be very entitled. You guys care more than me about features and whatnot, that's cool, I just like driving games, however they come. I'll buy some (most lol), and not others. Unless you pre-order, there's no stress.

They're complicated to make, and corners get cut sometimes, and some random bit of PR is not a 'promise' of any kind, it's just an intention to do something. The restaurant analogy is a bit wonky too. I'll just check out the restaurant and see if they get my money or not.

Getting annoyed about how PD compare to other devs, or their own PR is a bit too stressy in my humble opinion. You're entitled to be annoyed, of course. All good.

I'll just enjoy the games I decide to buy.
 
Over entitled gamer? PDI centered their whole promotion of GT6 around Rhonda and the course maker, community feature and GPS logger. Some of these features took between one and two years to arrive after GT6 launched, som3 features shrunk and shrunk from Kaz's first ludicrous claims in regards to the size of course maker. Some features such as driving through the town of Rhonda and making your own track using GPS didn't happen at all, and some features were nothing like the way they promoted such as needing a specific device to be able to use course maker when it eventually did arrive. Over entitled gamers ey?
Probably like the truth.
I've been reading the same posts for the past 3,5 years - is this really still necessary? :rolleyes:

Maybe take it to gt6 thread - but oh, its already there.. Like a thousand times..
 
Yeah, I stand by it. Gamers can be very entitled. You guys care more than me about features and whatnot, that's cool, I just like driving games, however they come. I'll buy some (most lol), and not others. Unless you pre-order, there's no stress.

They're complicated to make, and corners get cut sometimes, and some random bit of PR is not a 'promise' of any kind, it's just an intention to do something. The restaurant analogy is a bit wonky too. I'll just check out the restaurant and see if they get my money or not.

Getting annoyed about how PD compare to other devs, or their own PR is a bit too stressy in my humble opin
Randon bit of PR ? Random? Their whole promotion was centered around it, that was their attention grabber. It's literally the only reason i bought GT6 after the disappointment that was GT5. Yea real over entitled gamers expecting to recieve what they bought.

Let's try another analogy then, you buy a HI- FI all in one package - CD player, Radio, Amp, speakers. You take it home, turn it on and no sound is coming from it, you then phone the store and ask What's up, they say: oh yea about that, theres no amp in there yet, but the concept is in our hands ready. Two years later they deliver it, you express your displeasure at it. Over entitled consumer?
I've been reading the same posts for the past 3,5 years - is this really still necessary? :rolleyes:

Maybe take it to gt6 thread - but oh, its already there.. Like a thousand times..
Yes, it's totally necessary when it involved an on topic discussion and then a PD defended decided to label a poster an over entitled gamer.
 
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