Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[jm79]

Randon bit of PR ? Random? Their whole promotion was centered around it, that was their attention grabber. It's literally the only reason i bought GT6 after the disappointment that was GT5. Yea real over entitled gamers expecting to recieve what they bought.

Let's try another analogy then, you buy a HI- FI all in one package - CD player, Radio, Amp, speakers. You take it home, turn it on and no sound is coming from it, you then phone the store and ask What's up, they say: oh yea about that, theres no amp in there yet, but the concept is in our hands ready. Two years later they deliver it, you express your displeasure at it. Over entitled consumer?
Yes, it's totally necessary when it involved an on topic discussion and then a PD defended decided to label a poster an over entitled gamer.

I'm not a PD defender, I'm a game devs in general defender, lol.

Also, that is another woeful analogy.

Totally stand by the entitled gamer thing, sorry. Everything you're saying just reinforces that view.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yeah, I stand by it. Gamers can be very entitled. You guys care more than me about features and whatnot, that's cool, I just like driving games, however they come. I'll buy some (most lol), and not others. Unless you pre-order, there's no stress.

They're complicated to make, and corners get cut sometimes, and some random bit of PR is not a 'promise' of any kind, it's just an intention to do something. The restaurant analogy is a bit wonky too. I'll just check out the restaurant and see if they get my money or not.

Getting annoyed about how PD compare to other devs, or their own PR is a bit too stressy in my humble opinion. You're entitled to be annoyed, of course. All good.

I'll just enjoy the games I decide to buy.

"You're entitled to be annoyed, of course. All good" No presumption there at all. Again, imputing your own emotions onto others IMO. The only one I see here that is annoyed is you. Stop assuming some of the rest of us are too just because our opinions differ.

 

[Imari]

I'm not a PD defender, I'm a game devs in general defender, lol.

Pull the other one. That'd be why you called it entitled when I pointed out that other devs also had free DLC?

Yeah, I stand by it. Gamers can be very entitled.

Gamers can be. I notice that you couldn't point out the bit where I was, though. Want another go, or were you just full of it?

 

[lancia delta hf]

I'm not a PD defender, I'm a game devs in general defender, lol.

Also, that is another woeful analogy.

Totally stand by the entitled gamer thing, sorry. Everything you're saying just reinforces that view.

No it really doesn't. It's just that you are quite clearly going to refute any view that proves you were talking nonsense. It reinforces your skewed view maybe, not that view.

So without me giving an analogy (also please explain why it was woeful as it's prett much the same situation ), perhaps you could explain why you are adamant that a consumer who bought \buys a product based on a massive promotional event ( not PR talk like "the real driving simulator) that outlines what is in GT6 and then isn't in that product for nearly 2 years after release, is an over entitled gamer? Please explain that one without basically amounting to " because i said so".

 

[Imari]

I've been reading the same posts for the past 3,5 years - is this really still necessary?

Maybe take it to gt6 thread - but oh, its already there.. Like a thousand times..

Apparently you haven't been reading, because it started with a factually incorrect statement you made about GT6 DLC in comparison to AC/Forza. Perhaps pay attention.

Or if you dislike it, perhaps don't bring up GT6 in the first place?

 

[Haitauer]

.. Moving from free dlc in gt6 to pay for dlc like ac/forza. A valid comparison. Whats the problem?

Then started the same song how its always too little too late and everything is do bad..

Well long story (3.5 years long) short. You bought the game based on promises - so the joke is on you. Suck it up.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Yeah, I stand by it. Gamers can be very entitled. You guys care more than me about features and whatnot, that's cool, I just like driving games, however they come. I'll buy some (most lol), and not others. Unless you pre-order, there's no stress.

They're complicated to make, and corners get cut sometimes, and some random bit of PR is not a 'promise' of any kind, it's just an intention to do something. The restaurant analogy is a bit wonky too. I'll just check out the restaurant and see if they get my money or not.

Getting annoyed about how PD compare to other devs, or their own PR is a bit too stressy in my humble opinion. You're entitled to be annoyed, of course. All good.

I'll just enjoy the games I decide to buy.

"You don't think like me, so you're entitled". What a sound argument.

For the restaurant analogy to be even more accurate, you'd be paying for the meal when you order it.

I've been reading the same posts for the past 3,5 years - is this really still necessary?

Maybe take it to gt6 thread - but oh, its already there.. Like a thousand times..

You've heard it for that long because it's a genuine concern for some folks: a game shipping without a lot of the features that were hyped pre-release. It's a classic case of over-promising and under-delivering, which is something that's dogged PD since the beginning of the PS3 era. There have been some signs that's no longer the case, which is encouraging... but there's also been more of the same.

We're about a year behind the original schedule that was announced back in autumn 2015: it was supposed to be a beta early 2016 (closed beta early 2017). When the beta was cancelled a year ago, we got a release date of November 2016 — it's now half a year past that with no clear date in sight, which suggests a release no earlier than autumn this year. The FIA championship was originally announced almost three years ago, with nothing to show — it was earmarked for 2015.

It's cool if some folks are fine with this, just as it's cool for some folks to not be. Despite claims to the contrary, this isn't massively common in the genre: Kunos Simulazioni is seemingly pulling a PD by constantly pushing back release dates, and PCARS1 was dogged with delays, but Turn 10, Playground Games, and Codemasters release like clockwork. When asked about VR/DLC for DiRT 4, Codies' response wasn't along the lines of "we're working on it", it was closer to "it's not a priority, we're focused on the launch package first, and will re-evaluate later".

And before the inevitable "stop complaining and play other games" comments crop up, it should be pointed out that people can be critical of the whole GT Sport situation and still be playing other games. These are not mutually exclusive actions. While I'm sure it's technically possible, it's really quite unlikely somebody is literally putting their life on hold over any video game. At least, I sure hope so.

What I also hope for is that GT Sport, whenever it does eventually release, comes feature-complete. No "it might be added shortly after release" like the 22-month wait for the track editor in GT6. There seems to be a solid base in place judging by the beta, and with the game set to be a more focused experience than the sprawl of GT6 (not to mention the time it's been in development) I think it's a reasonable expectation.

 

[Cocomoto]

The egos in this thread can be a problem sometimes...

 

[Haitauer]

It's a classic case of over-promising and under-delivering,

Yes - its called "marketing" and the world is full of it.

 

[suprajef]

Yes - its called "marketing" and the world is full of it.

Did someone say call of duty?

 

[PzR Slim]

I think we would all agree that the moaning we hear on forums for all sorts of products, even when it's well deserved, can get a little tiresome.

However, that pales into complete insignificance when compared to the outright delusion that some people bring to the discussion to defend against that criticism.

 

[daan]

Just had 3 good, fast, clean races at the Nordschleife in the N300s. Every single one of us gained SR.

Is that you @Amaru? Good racing with you.

 

[Haitauer]

I think we would all agree that the moaning we hear on forums for all sorts of products, even when it's well deserved, can get a little tiresome.

However, that pales into complete insignificance when compared to the outright delusion that some people bring to the discussion to defend against that criticism.

As you might notice, im not defending PDI - they are quilty. Im Just tired of hearing about it like its relevant almost 4 years later.. I have used my 50e for a lot worst - i do that quite often actually.

Ps. Has the maintenance ended?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Just had 3 good, fast, clean races at the Nordschleife in the N300s. Every single one of us gained SR.

Is that you @Amaru ?

Ugh, I wish. Played for the first time a few days ago and went to Willow in Gr. 3. Without qualifying, I started in the back, but ended up in the upper half by the end thanks to horrible race craft on display. But, I still got tagged enough that my SR stayed level.

On the plus side, I like the track a lot more in that class than with N300. Though that's probably because I don't have an Evo — I really like the Focus but it's utterly uncompetitive.

Yes - its called "marketing" and the world is full of it.

I work in marketing. What you're describing is bad marketing, not all.

 

[Haitauer]

I work in marketing. What you're describing is bad marketing, not all.

I know, work there too, but sadly there is a lot of it - false marketing. More or less in purpose.

 

[jm79]

Pull the other one. That'd be why you called it entitled when I pointed out that other devs also had free DLC?



Gamers can be. I notice that you couldn't point out the bit where I was, though. Want another go, or were you just full of it?

No, I think you are behaving like a sensitive, entitled consumer with your long comments on this issue, and general negative tone. Don't flip out, it's just my opinion, I'm not saying you're wrong to be. Really, I don't think I'm the one who can't cope with other people's opinions, lol.

I'm quite positive about GTS, it looks good, I will probably buy it. I don't care about their previous marketing exploits, years ago. That is also my opinion, nothing more. Jesus H, this forum sometimes.

"You don't think like me, so you're entitled". What a sound argument.

You're a mod/writer, so respect, genuinely, but it genuinely depresses me no end to think you consider that to be an accurate summary of my point. See above.

For the restaurant analogy to be even more accurate, you'd be paying for the meal when you order it.

So a takeaway analogy, then? lol

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Change of channel for a bit : So, anyone here from GTP staff knows if there will be GTP livery cars in GT Sport ? Will there also be regularly scheduled GTP Championship in GTS ? Any plans from WRS guys for GTS SR/DR being used in races or TT ? Maybe we can have GTP member driver list with regularly updated SR/DR sorted by region ? Each region with separate thread so they can easily organize online event ? @Famine , @Jordan , @Gravitron

 

[Jordan]

Change of channel for a bit : So, anyone here from GTP staff knows if there will be GTP livery cars in GT Sport ? Will there also be regularly scheduled GTP Championship in GTS ? Any plans from WRS guys for GTS SR/DR being used in races or TT ? Maybe we can have GTP member driver list with regularly updated SR/DR sorted by region ? Each region with separate thread so they can easily organize online event ? @Famine , @Jordan , @Gravitron

Yes, of course. We'll take full advantage of whatever online competition/organization tools GTS provides.

 

[Imari]

No, I think you are behaving like a sensitive, entitled consumer with your long comments on this issue, and general negative tone. Don't flip out, it's just my opinion, I'm not saying you're wrong to be. Really, I don't think I'm the one who can't cope with other people's opinions, lol.

Are you :censored:ing kidding? You're not able to actually point out any part of anything that I said where I was entitled, but you'll happily throw abuse at me for making long posts and being negative. As if these are not completely valid uses of a discussion forum.

So I was right, you're just looking for opportunities to abuse me personally because you don't like what I've written in the past. Real mature. How about you try playing the ball next time?

 

[MomiCat]

I played GTS for a bit.

I like ^^

Plays very well, everything smooth, I like!

But GT-Rs, too many! Needs a nerf!

 

[3antar]

Anyone else getting really frustrated about the release date? At this point are we even sure that it will be out this year? I honestly would'nt be surprised if we see a 2018 release. I'm all for PD taking their time to 'perfect' the game but it really has been way too long since the last GT and i feel like im going through withdrawals haha I'm not complaining but i just want to vent out my frustrations to my fellow GT companions

 

[TheAnimeDude]

The video I've seen from DF of GTSport that was recently released and I have to say that the game looks okay, but it still needs quite a bit of work. That online lag between the cars is really bad..

 

[Robbks]

Ugh, I wish. Played for the first time a few days ago and went to Willow in Gr. 3. Without qualifying, I started in the back, but ended up in the upper half by the end thanks to horrible race craft on display.

I've always found that those who really can't drive, always tend to go for the faster classes.

It's the same in the GT6 QM's
Any time a GT3 or GT500 race is on, out come the window-lickers.
But at the same time there's usually a slower class (like one make MX5 Touring cars, or stock GT86, even the Touring Cars) those are the ones who end up with the majority of clean and exciting races.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I've always found that those who really can't drive, always tend to go for the faster classes.

It's the same in the GT6 QM's
Any time a GT3 or GT500 race is on, out come the window-lickers.
But at the same time there's usually a slower class (like one make MX5 Touring cars, or stock GT86, even the Touring Cars) those are the ones who end up with the majority of clean and exciting races.

Very true in my experience. Open a lobby for any street car in GT5/6 with Comfort Softs on, especially anything above 450pp and most of the time you'd sit there and listen to crickets while you drive around alone. Once in a while someone pops in and 30 seconds later it's, "These tires suck, switch to RS noob!!".

 

[bdj57]

Alright guys I just want remind you all that we have 10 pages left and we are going to make a history

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Alright guys I just want remind you all that we have 10 pages left and we are going to make a history

Not being locked thus far is already amazing feat

Yes, of course. We'll take full advantage of whatever online competition/organization tools GTS provides.

Does this related as well to the upcoming new GTP redesign/changes ?

 

[bokimoto]

...

... (using) the grass in many of the corners.... (not just) the apex but on entry and exit as well. Makes it look like an arcade game.

Lol, he's two wheels in the grass flat out over Flugplatz. Stable as a table...

It's absurd.
It is why I've set it aside for the moment.
I have acquired all the cars, so the only things left in the beta are online racing, and time trialing/tuning.

Version 1.05 has made the online lobbies casual, controller player heaven ... combined with the new SR system, this has taken the fun out of the 'serious' online racing side for me. (not to mention the BoP)
There's no point in competing against someone on a pad, who is somehow holding speed right with you, ...
... while they are flicking right and left, holding no racing line, and often driving happily on the grass or the gravel.
There's just no point. The 'hidden' SRF artificial driving aids are excessive, and behaviour of the cars off the tarmac is ridiculous. One may as well be playing Forza.

The time trialing and tuning would be a good bit of fun .... but because I am driving other games that have predictable
and generally accepted, 'physics' and 'tuning', ... it doesn't make sense, for at least two reasons.
Firstly, spending much time tuning GTS in it's current iteration is a bit of a waste of time for me, because we're hoping they correct things in the next version or at least in the release, and anything we've learned or adjusted in v1.05 is then out the window.
And secondly, spending time driving it is counterproductive, giving me bad habits, and I have to remember how to drive properly again, to get back in the groove for driving other games. I was not having this particular problem with v1.04

Beta Days, beta days, ... I'm hanging in there.

With neutral driving aids, private lobbies & leagues, and some decent support after release,
I honestly believe this is going to be a fantastic game.

 

[ItsAllAboutWins]

I guess it doesn't take any skill to be fast on a ds4 then?

 

[jagenigma]

I've always found that those who really can't drive, always tend to go for the faster classes.

It's the same in the GT6 QM's
Any time a GT3 or GT500 race is on, out come the window-lickers.
But at the same time there's usually a slower class (like one make MX5 Touring cars, or stock GT86, even the Touring Cars) those are the ones who end up with the majority of clean and exciting races.

I've experienced rammers online already. I get ahead and someone rams me when I'm braking for a turn, and it sucks cuz it puts me all the way behind. I do for the most part find myb way back to the middle, but I have to get better. In the 'ring, I'm about 45 seconds behind the leader.

 

[Grandea GTR]

I guess it doesn't take any skill to be fast on a ds4 then?

If that was the case, pretty sure we wouldn't have people colliding into cars or the wall every 10 seconds or so at all.