Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[snowgt]

While in retrospect I think the offline races in the GT series were always lacking and never were a real challenge once you figured out which car you needed, I cannot understand why this feature of the game was more and more neglected. Putting together races that will keep players busy for months is the most simple thing in putting together a racing game like GT. You can come up with literally hundreds of single races or race series in a day, and even implementing this in the game is really simple as everything you need for it is already there. You only need to pick cars, tracks, length of races - done.

Especially now that there will be pre-defined race classes from Gr.1-Gr.4 and the Nxxx's, it becomes even easier to put these together, while introducing newbies into the world of BoP'd races to prepare them for Sport-mode. So it escapes me why you wouldn't put this in the game.

I have to reiterate though that, while I would probably play through the whole offline career, my interest firmly lies in online races. I just don't get why you wouldn't use the game's potential to its fullest (and satisfy a whole lot of people with very little effort).

PS: Of course you need better AI. Maybe that's the area that they didn't want to put their focus on for this game.

 

[Donnced]

IMO Poly is getting lazy with the career mode, lazy and unimaginative. GT6 was the perfect example of misused assets: lots of tracks and cars for the most disappointing career mode in a Gran Turismo. A good online mode will never replace a bad career mode.

Agree 100%

One of the best points of the saga was the big career mode they got with constructor cups, endurance races, rookie cups,big formula GT championship with cars and money as prizes and to must buy cars and adquiere licences for other races/ championships...

I also love to play online in big racing leagues or with friends... But also love to enjoy the game a bit alone in a good and fun career mode with a progression that do you want to keep coming back.

It's really positive and possible to have online and offline in a game... Just líke pcars did or GT5....

And when PD or sony close the server... Just líke what they did with GT5... The only thing that stays is the offline content...
And sinserly 70+ bucks for a game that when they close the server you only can have some fun in custom single races in arcade mode with a bad/slow AI is quite of sad...

 

[queleuleu]

Updated article : http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-gran-turismo-sport-ps4-pro-analysis

"UPDATE 25/5/17 1:00pm: Sony has been in touch to point out additional 1080p features in Gran Turismo Sport for PS4 Pro users, specifically that along with the significantly improved in-game frame-rate and unlocked replay performance we've highlighted in the 1080p comparison further down this page, anti-aliasing is also enhanced with the inclusion of 8x multi-sampling (MSAA)."

 

[Johnnypenso]

Updated article : http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-gran-turismo-sport-ps4-pro-analysis

"UPDATE 25/5/17 1:00pm: Sony has been in touch to point out additional 1080p features in Gran Turismo Sport for PS4 Pro users, specifically that along with the significantly improved in-game frame-rate and unlocked replay performance we've highlighted in the 1080p comparison further down this page, anti-aliasing is also enhanced with the inclusion of 8x multi-sampling (MSAA)."

Hope they introduce downsampling for 1080p users with the PS4Pro. Bit of a waste of power if they pass over what is now a common feature in pc gaming.

 

[marcvic]

While in retrospect I think the offline races in the GT series were always lacking and never were a real challenge once you figured out which car you needed, I cannot understand why this feature of the game was more and more neglected. Putting together races that will keep players busy for months is the most simple thing in putting together a racing game like GT. You can come up with literally hundreds of single races or race series in a day, and even implementing this in the game is really simple as everything you need for it is already there. You only need to pick cars, tracks, length of races - done.

Especially now that there will be pre-defined race classes from Gr.1-Gr.4 and the Nxxx's, it becomes even easier to put these together, while introducing newbies into the world of BoP'd races to prepare them for Sport-mode. So it escapes me why you wouldn't put this in the game.

I have to reiterate though that, while I would probably play through the whole offline career, my interest firmly lies in online races. I just don't get why you wouldn't use the game's potential to its fullest (and satisfy a whole lot of people with very little effort).

PS: Of course you need better AI. Maybe that's the area that they didn't want to put their focus on for this game.

Agree 100% about the need to ensure a healthy offline mode. It sounds like you'd like an evolution of arcade mode, where you could choose time of day, number of laps, and AI difficulty - but also be able to have more control over which vehicles and how many opponents you'd face. That'd be ideal, but only if a) they ditch the currency system or b) they give you credits for this new arcade mode. I am in favor of option b, as I like the thrill and decision-making behind building a garage. It'd be awesome to have 8 cars on a grid that consisted of 4 WRX STIs and 4 Lancer EVOs, and still get some credits - all without having to organize an event in an online lobby.

Going on @Imari and @Haitauer discussing car count, I only had about 150 cars in GT6, and only used about 40-50 consistently. Specifically, they were all production cars that had less than 400HP (on average around 2-300HP), and I didn't spend time tuning or upgrading them, so I am hoping that we get a good showing in the N-series and Gr.4 car categories. To really enjoy those vehicles I was limited to lower level racing series, seasonal events or choosing to race for -0- credits in arcade mode. So hopefully this scaled down version of GT will allow us to fully exploit the great assets that it has shown.

Side Point ->My favorite cars to race with in GT6 were the NSX Type R and Toyota GT-86 because the other cars in that PP range had much more power, so it always made racing interesting. I also liked the PD tuned production cars that had very mild modifications that didn't deviate too far from their stock characteristics (the PD tuned 370Z on Daytona Road course was a favorite race of mine).

 

[Northstar]

What really annoys me about what we've seen thus far when it comes to offline play is the lack of a race/championship creator. For me at least an in-depth race creator along with competent AI could make the lack of an actual career mode excusable.

As far as the car list goes I'm still feeling underwhelmed. One of the things I've always loved about GT is the fact PD has always had a rather good variety of lesser known (to me) cars as well as a healthy collection of Kei cars and classic Japanese machines. There's still quite a few cars left to be unveiled, but I don't see many from the latter 2 categories fitting the tiered system GT Sport is going with.

 

[ScottPuss20]

What really annoys me about what we've seen thus far when it comes to offline play is the lack of a race/championship creator. For me at least an in-depth race creator along with competent AI could make the lack of an actual career mode excusable.

As far as the car list goes I'm still feeling underwhelmed. One of the things I've always loved about GT is the fact PD has always had a rather good variety of lesser known (to me) cars as well as a healthy collection of Kei cars and classic Japanese machines. There's still quite a few cars left to be unveiled, but I don't see many from the latter 2 categories fitting the tiered system GT Sport is going with.

Tragically, I don't see PD ever doing a Forza-Blueprint type of event creator.

 

[Imari]

What really annoys me about what we've seen thus far when it comes to offline play is the lack of a race/championship creator. For me at least an in-depth race creator along with competent AI could make the lack of an actual career mode excusable.

And the funny thing is that the "standard" GT campaign usually looks like an afterthought, thrown in with some random cars on some random tracks. It looks like the intern got tasked with banging it out in a week. I can't see how it would possibly add enough work to actually make a difference considering that they already have to have all the functionality for creating races and such, and so the only reason to not have it is to force people online.

That don't seem right. People should be racing online because it's fun, not because Polyphony intentionally didn't include the way that they really want to play.

 

[Minor]

EDIT: Wrong thread

 

[jm79]

Still lots of negativity on here, it seems! I guess that annoyed people are more motivated to speak up, so it's unrepresentative. I'm hoping so, anyway.

Online features wise, I don't mind how these things are setup. For Driveclub, for example, I just play it how they have set it up. Seems silly to constantly worry about it not being exactly how you want it or exactly how some random other game has done it. Just my opinion, as the standard disclaimer goes.

Also, maybe I've got this wrong, but isn't this a beta?

I'm hyped for E3 personally. Any GTP staffers attending? @Jordan ? @SlipZtrEm ?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

But AC has it's physics and that is what it's praised for. This is it's USP. Console games need to get your attention especially when particularl areas have little depth such as physics and now offline in GTS case. GTS doesn't seam to have anything over Pcars2 in terms of quantity or features. I'm struggling to see the truth in the claim that GTS could be better for having less. This makes no sense as we know the priority isn't bench mark physics. If you're coming from previous GT's how can GTS be better for having less particularly with 3 boring tracks ( ovals with no NASCAR or open wheelers and Tokyo) plus rally tracks which will not be to everyone's taste.

You rightly say gamers buy on the whole package not the negatives. The whole package is looking wafer thin and I don't see this as being a post for a GT game as I don't think any area will be particularly great. I imagine few will care about the FIA link and what not.

So a recap, how could it be better for having less?

GT is GT's USP. The name is the draw, and for many people, especially those not versed in the many obscure sim racers on PC, the reputation (however justified) of having realistic physics. GT has also traditionally been a visual powerhouse. That looks set to continue.

Boring for you =/= boring for all.

Also, we've got to remember that better selling doesn't make a game better than any of its competitors.

Still lots of negativity on here, it seems! I guess that annoyed people are more motivated to speak up, so it's unrepresentative. I'm hoping so, anyway.

Online features wise, I don't mind how these things are setup. For Driveclub, for example, I just play it how they have set it up. Seems silly to constantly worry about it not being exactly how you want it or exactly how some random other game has done it. Just my opinion, as the standard disclaimer goes.

A game that focuses on online play should offer a lot of options for said online play. That's not an unreasonable demand — to disregard others opinions as "silly" because they don't line up with yours does seem unreasonable, though.

I'm hyped for E3 personally. Any GTP staffers attending? @Jordan ? @SlipZtrEm ?

We're both going. And yep, pretty hyped — as we said at the beginning of the year, 2017 could be the best year for the genre yet.

 

[ImaRobot]

Still lots of negativity on here, it seems! I guess that annoyed people are more motivated to speak up, so it's unrepresentative. I'm hoping so, anyway.

Online features wise, I don't mind how these things are setup. For Driveclub, for example, I just play it how they have set it up. Seems silly to constantly worry about it not being exactly how you want it or exactly how some random other game has done it. Just my opinion, as the standard disclaimer goes.

You see negativity, I see a lot of fairly civil discussion about things that people don't really have a liking to. Stop viewing differing opinions as something negative, and you won't have such an issue.

As for having a liking towards something, and finding something that they think could be better in something else, what exactly is the issue with expressing their view on it? Everyone is going to play it exactly how it comes regardless, but that does not mean you can't say anything about it.

Also, maybe I've got this wrong, but isn't this a beta?

This is a beta, a representation of what we're going to be getting in the final game. If things are going to be changing that drastically, then wouldn't that render the beta useless? If they change so much that whats in the beta is not even in the final game, than what should happen is that they should have a beta for the new build instead. A beta usually gives you enough of the game to get an understanding of what you will be getting yourself into.

I myself don't see much changing for the underlying game, as most of that is already written in while they do tweaks here and there.

 

[Scaff]

Would like to point out that this (at least as far as this BETA is concerned) is completely false. As far as I can tell, PS+ is a Only a requirement for third-party titles (apart from some Free-to-play ones).

Nope, its a requirement for all on-line release titles apart from Free to play ones.

To be honest while its Sony's 'ball' and they could change that to allow Sony paid for titles to be played on-line without PS+, it would be an utterly mad thing to do (why lose revenue to make an exception that would see 3rd parties up in arms).

 

[trustjab]

I see a lot of questioning and second guessing on this game and talk on what it'll have or be. Currently, I'm enjoying the beta for what it is, even if it's not much and we get the same few tracks and some (most) of the drivers suck. And I'll enjoy GTSport for what it is. Any game can be better, and any game can be worse. If GT or GTSport isn't your thing, there's other racing games to play, thankfully.

I don't understand the heated back and forth over it, though. I guess some people just like to discuss most of the same arguments, for or against, repeatedly. I don't know for certain people's reasoning, but now for me, it's not worth arguing over a game that hasn't released. Even when it is released, I think I'm past that stage where I have to defend my choice.

I think with summer coming up, and the nice weather, there's no reason to be in a bad mood because people criticize or praise GT. Everyone knows it has it's flaws. Other games do too. Other racing games may be better and you may not care because 'it's Gran Turismo'. That's your choice. You don't have to explain yourself because there are many here who feel the same way. I don't think I'd buy GT again if it didn't have livery editor or improve on the sounds, but from GT6 the latter was worked on especially with some of the VGT cars, so I feel GTS is worth it. On the opposite end, maybe you're disenfranchised from GT because it hasn't gotten better or good enough relative the competition. That's your choice too. No one can tell you how to spend your money. That's why to me, arguing about it over and over is a waste of time you could spend in the nice warm sun! My spirits are up with the temperature.

At least we have variety now, and I think we can thank GT for that. Yeah, there were racing games before it, but if were being honest, Gran Turismo was the game that most likely paved the way for your favorite console racer. Though I know if I have money, I won't be tied down to just GT, or just PCars etc. Thank god for variety 👍

 

[sems4arsenal]

Don't really think people are being overly critical. Some very valid criticism is being posted here. The beta has shown enough promise for me atleast to be a day one customer.

I'm still a single player mostly guy and I still think the single player portion will be good enough (especially with time trial leaderboards), but it's a valid concern.

 

[another_jakhole]

Don't really think people are being overly critical. Some very valid criticism is being posted here. The beta has shown enough promise for me to be a day one customer.

I'm still a single player mostly guy and I still think the single player portion will be good enough (especially with time trial leaderboards), but it's a valid concern.

I think it gets under the skin more than anything. It definitely bothers me and though I understand where @trustjab is coming from and can empathize, you are absolutely right.

 

[jm79]

A game that focuses on online play should offer a lot of options for said online play. That's not an unreasonable demand — to disregard others opinions as "silly" because they don't line up with yours does seem unreasonable, though.

So, er, my opinion is unreasonable, despite it clearly being labeled as merely my opinion?

Isn't that opinion a bit unreasonable? Etc etc etc

Logic ftw

You see negativity, I see a lot of fairly civil discussion about things that people don't really have a liking to.

Um, yeah, because you agree with them.

That's um, how this works.

FML

 

[SlipZtrEm]

So, er, my opinion is unreasonable, despite it clearly being labeled as merely my opinion?

Isn't that opinion a bit unreasonable? Etc etc etc

Logic ftw

Yes, disregarding peoples' opinions as "silly" for no other reason than that they don't line up with your own is unreasonable.

If you want an echo chamber, look elsewhere.

 

[jm79]

Yes, disregarding peoples' opinions as "silly" for no other reason than that they don't line up with your own is unreasonable.

If you want an echo chamber, look elsewhere.

Sorry my bad, I thought literally everyone agreed with me.

 

[ImaRobot]

So, er, my opinion is unreasonable, despite it clearly being labeled as merely my opinion?

Isn't that opinion a bit unreasonable? Etc etc etc

Logic ftw



Um, yeah, because you agree with them.

That's um, how this works.

FML

So it's just because you don't agree with them, that it's negative. Well that doesn't surprise me.

When I said civil, I was talking about both sides, since you seem to be suck in a one sided view.

Sorry my bad, I thought literally everyone agreed with me.

Was that before or after ignoring the people that didn't?

 

[another_jakhole]

So it's just because you don't agree with them, that it's negative. Well that doesn't surprise me.

When I said civil, I was talking about both sides, since you seem to be suck in a one sided view.


Was that before or after ignoring the people that didn't?

Not most people, but many post with a sarcastic tone that bothers me. Even saying something along the lines of "typical PD" rubs me the wrong way. I've been critical of the more major decisions Kaz has made. Announcing the release date prematurely is one of them since he said he wouldn't make announcements, unless he was certain they would be carried out. I don't constantly complain with that sarcastic tone to bash PD though. People who defend everything are on the other biased end of the spectrum. I'm not ignoring the fact of there being two extremes. That's my issue with people, but there are other forums and sites who have it a thousand times worse. That's not to say it's the only reason I stick around.

This series is just one of my favorites, not just in the racing genre, for many reasons and the positives by far outweigh the negatives. This side of the forum seems like it would be for fans of the series, but there's enough bashing that it feels like an easy target to crap on. That's my perception and not based on my love for the series. It's based on objectivity, not out of loyalty to anyone.

 

[SDSPOWER01]

Not most people, but many post with a sarcastic tone that bothers me. Even saying something along the lines of "typical PD" rubs me the wrong way. I've been critical of the more major decisions Kaz has made. Announcing the release date prematurely is one of them since he said he wouldn't make announcements, unless he was certain they would be carried out. I don't constantly complain with that sarcastic tone to bash PD though. People who defend everything are on the other biased end of the spectrum. I'm not ignoring the fact of there being two extremes. That's my issue with people, but there are other forums and sites who have it a thousand times worse. That's not to say it's the only reason I stick around.

This series is just one of my favorites, not just in the racing genre, for many reasons and the positives by far outweigh the negatives. This side of the forum seems like it would be for fans of the series, but there's enough bashing that it feels like an easy target to crap on. That's my perception and not based on my love for the series. It's based on objectivity, not out of loyalty to anyone.

Hello,
First of all if it bothers you, ignore it no matter how many times you are going to try to stop people from trolling/criticizing they just will not stop.
Secondly, you must understand some people who does it with a sarcastic tone is extremely disatisfied with what they are getting/experiencing and from their point of view and experience they express it that way.
Thirdly, as long as people do not violate any of the GTPlanet "terms and agreements" they can post and say whatever they feel the need to. Last of all the thread is called a discussion thread, so you should expect very harsh arguments towards the game mainly because of the frustration of lack of communication/not listening to feedback (thankfully now they do a bit) of PD themselves. So whether you enjoy the game for what it is and GT is GT will not change the fact or change peoples attitude towards it.
So it is best to find a way to defend your statement instead of just trying to make people understand your annoyance. Nobody should be looked down at, everyone has their right to post what they want and feel the need to say.

 

[trustjab]

I know a few people who don't post here anymore because of what they perceive as hostility towards fans of GT. I don't think it matters much, you win some you lose some (members, fans etc), the world still spins, life goes on, all that jazz. I think there's a few types of people; you're either thick skinned and stay if you feel that way (GT gets lambasted too much), you don't really care what others think, or you just like to argue those are just a few. I can't put anyone in a certain class, but that's how some are imo. I'd like to say that PD and Kaz don't care about the 'haters', but then I'd like to say they do care because that's how they'll grow. I do believe they can take criticism and change things. And I do feel like GTSport will be the best GT since GT4. Were getting the little things that were missing that makes the game more complete. A few big things are missing but there's still time to change or add them in. I am hopeful, but definitely not blind.

 

[marcvic]

It is exciting to see that GT still generates such a strong buzz though - it's a by-product (and consequence) of the legacy, which will continue to grow.

Yeah PS3 era GT was very controversial. Here's hoping they sell millions and millions and millions of copies of GT Sport, and continue to build on and develop that special GT formula that everyone loves so much (I gotta whole lot of bias towards GT).

Concerning GT competition - it will only make GT a better game during it's evolution.

 

[ArR29]

It is exciting to see that GT still generates such a strong buzz though - it's by-product (and consequence) of the legacy, which will continue to grow.

Yeah PS3 era GT was very controversial. Here's hoping they sell millions and millions and millions of copies of GT Sport, and continue to build on and develop that special GT formula that everyone loves so much (I gotta whole lot of bias towards GT).

I'm with you. Hopefully GTSport will success and sell lots of copies. I'm still waiting for that sequel of Tourist Trophy.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It is exciting to see that GT still generates such a strong buzz though - it's a by-product (and consequence) of the legacy, which will continue to grow.

Yeah PS3 era GT was very controversial. Here's hoping they sell millions and millions and millions of copies of GT Sport, and continue to build on and develop that special GT formula that everyone loves so much (I gotta whole lot of bias towards GT).

Concerning GT competition - it will only make GT a better game during it's evolution.

Sorry I don't see the buzz. Outside of this gaming site and a couple of articles here and there, who is talking about GTSport? Better question, who is raving about the beta beyond the graphics? The buzz for GT5 after Prologue was way beyond what you're seeing for GTSport, especially on GTPlanet.

 

[marcvic]

I'm with you. Hopefully GTSport will success and sell lots of copies. I'm still waiting for that sequel of Tourist Trophy.

Yeah I'm waiting on that sequel too - I have not played any motorcycle games since then, but to anyone who has: How well does Tourist Trophy's physics and controls hold up to current games like Ride, Moto GP and others?

 

[05XR8]

.

Sorry I don't see the buzz. Outside of this gaming site and a couple of articles here and there, who is talking about GTSport? Better question, who is raving about the beta beyond the graphics? The buzz for GT5 after Prologue was way beyond what you're seeing for GTSport, especially on GTPlanet.

I remember the same time of the N24H, there were demo clips of the Bilstein R8, split screened during the race. Crazy how last year was so much hype and now, GTS appears to be anti-climatic with the real deal to debut soon.

 

[marcvic]

Sorry I don't see the buzz. Outside of this gaming site and a couple of articles here and there, who is talking about GTSport? Better question, who is raving about the beta beyond the graphics? The buzz for GT5 after Prologue was way beyond what you're seeing for GTSport, especially on GTPlanet.

To be fair, racing games (let alone sims) don't get a whole lot of coverage from media outlets.

But GT Sport has sparked a whole lot of buzz on this site, and for good reason - It's their first go at the PS4, the competition is stiff, the PS3 GT games were controversial (although they sold almost 22 million copies if you include prologue), the smaller more focused car roster, they're first go at a beta, Kaz's racing experience... the list could go on and on. I mean the fact that it isn't called Gran Turismo 7 is cause for discussion in itself.

The above makes for a HOTLY debated topic, everyone having their desires as to where the series should go. I've read and seen a lot of positive feedback from GTP users that makes me think that folks are excited about this game, and it goes beyond the graphics - GTS looks to be more than just a pretty face. I've read some stuff that is cause for concern as well - but its all buzzworthy and very exciting.

I can't comment on any other forums or sites because this is the only game-specific site that I follow. GameSpot, IGN, GameInformer and a bunch of smaller YouTubers is where I spend my time getting gamer info. I also can't compare it to the GT5 buzz because during that time I was a sophomore on a college campus - sifting through threads on a video game website was the last thing on my mind during that time , although I did read the articles. What I do notice is that this thread alone is close to being 1,000 pages strong - that's buzz right?

 

[jm79]

Sorry I don't see the buzz. Outside of this gaming site and a couple of articles here and there, who is talking about GTSport? Better question, who is raving about the beta beyond the graphics? The buzz for GT5 after Prologue was way beyond what you're seeing for GTSport, especially on GTPlanet.

Well.... it's not a complete surprise that you don't see or feel the Gran Turismo buzz, Mr Johnny Penso, sir.

However, you do have a point. 5 & 6 seem to have dulled the general enthusiasm for this game. I'm super interested to see how this entry fares, critically and sales-wise.

I honestly have no idea how that will pan out.