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Gonna forgo the transmission upgrades on my cars, also. Never really been a fan of the close and s/c transmissions, personally. Gonna stick with the stockers.
BTW, my Bluebird 1600 is used, and to my knowledge, there is no getting it brand new or even 6.2mi. Can I just go with an oil change and call it good?
BTW, my Bluebird 1600 is used, and to my knowledge, there is no getting it brand new or even 6.2mi. Can I just go with an oil change and call it good?
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- ryldhune
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- Florissant, MO
BobK
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Okay, I have a couple questions and comments here. First of all, which horsepower figure do we use? There are four of them, depending on where you look.
Second of all, is the horsepower bracket limit a hard cap which can never be broken by upgrades? For example, if an entrant selects a 96 HP car for Class B, can they add a part (turbo, exhaust, etc) that takes the car over 99 HP? (and again, where is the HP measured?)
Next, what other cars are you boosting up a class? You mentioned the Ginetta and the Stratos and hinted there are others, what are they?
I realize that any car that comes equipped with R3 (most race cars) or R1 (rally cars and race cars that don't come with R3's) aren't allowed. But what about cars that come equipped with S3's? Would we get a free set of S2's, or can we use the S3's? Incidentally no cars come with economy tires, so the rule requiring one to keep them until they can afford sports tires is superfluous.
Are there any limits on what tires may be purchased if funds are available?
A suggestion: allow any used car (when purchased) with more than 6.2 miles on it to have a free oil change. Another suggestion: allow these same cars (>6.2 miles "new") a free chassis refresh.
Speaking of chassis refresh, in case you didn't knows this, whether or not a car needs one is strictly a function of miles on the car. The exact amount varies from car to car, with race cars being usually closer to 200 miles and production cars being 400+ miles. It has nothing whatsoever to do with contact with other cars, hitting barriers, or anything else; just mileage. It can be (for some particular car) 387 miles on the test track by itself, or 387 miles in demo derby style races; it's still 387 miles.
Second of all, is the horsepower bracket limit a hard cap which can never be broken by upgrades? For example, if an entrant selects a 96 HP car for Class B, can they add a part (turbo, exhaust, etc) that takes the car over 99 HP? (and again, where is the HP measured?)
Next, what other cars are you boosting up a class? You mentioned the Ginetta and the Stratos and hinted there are others, what are they?
I realize that any car that comes equipped with R3 (most race cars) or R1 (rally cars and race cars that don't come with R3's) aren't allowed. But what about cars that come equipped with S3's? Would we get a free set of S2's, or can we use the S3's? Incidentally no cars come with economy tires, so the rule requiring one to keep them until they can afford sports tires is superfluous.
Are there any limits on what tires may be purchased if funds are available?
A suggestion: allow any used car (when purchased) with more than 6.2 miles on it to have a free oil change. Another suggestion: allow these same cars (>6.2 miles "new") a free chassis refresh.
Speaking of chassis refresh, in case you didn't knows this, whether or not a car needs one is strictly a function of miles on the car. The exact amount varies from car to car, with race cars being usually closer to 200 miles and production cars being 400+ miles. It has nothing whatsoever to do with contact with other cars, hitting barriers, or anything else; just mileage. It can be (for some particular car) 387 miles on the test track by itself, or 387 miles in demo derby style races; it's still 387 miles.
Ignignoc N Err
Sure you can oil it, it comes out of your 2,000 CR.
All horse power figures used are from the Garage and Tuning Screen.
A car stays in its class no matter what. If you can afford it, you can modifiy it anyway you want with in the limits of the league.
I didn't make a seperate list of them. I do have a list of every car that is useable in this league and its class and so does Car-less. Its much easier to rule on things in a case by case basis then to give up our hard work.
What ever a car comes with you start with. There are so few that aren't tunner cars that come with S3s its not worth mentioning, but some of the older cars come with Standard Tires though I may of pruned the ones that did. So I may of wasted words in the rules, there wasn't a charge for it. No, you don't get any free tires.
No limit once you have the money.
Then that would change the nature of the market. If 50 CR is going to upset your racing budget that much, well you don't need to be racing. As for the refresher plan that would change the nature of used vs new. A used car should be more fragile, but it allows people on GT4 budgets in as well. I will have to think on this, but I'm not to interested in lots of free options.
Good to know, we will be putting lots of miles on these cars.
Asia Grand Prix
Welcome to the Grand Prix - Classic Racing League Invitational. I'm glad all of you made it here to Japan with your cars. With this first season getting underway, here is what we have in store for you for the next week or so. Your cars will be inspected and assigned their racing classes to be admitted into the league. We will then get ready for the first racing heats at the Beginner Course. Here you should learn plenty about the strengths and weaknesses of your cars and about your competitors. This will be a long season with progressing rewards and sponsors as we get deeper into the season.
The league will provide work areas in the pits at each track and access to water for washing your vehicles. You have all come up with the entry fees and proven that you can travel to each event and have made your hotel reservations in advance. Your entry fees also cover Sports Medium (S2) tire supply and replacement, (or what ever type your car starts with in GT4). Vehicle transport to each event will be covered by the league either by rail, transporter or by ship. We also have a list of parts suppliers in each area if you need them. The league has plenty of pre-made 1kg/5kg/10kg/50kg/100kg ballast weights for the entire season. So feel free to use them, especially those of you with front wheel drives.
** Event Info **
Japan
** Driver Info **
Use a difficulty of 0 for the Family Cup Event when you race it. You may run the Event a maximum of 3 times and chose the best of the three.
All driving aids must be set to 0 on all cars entered.
Use the following form for your times, all times will be submitted by private message to BH-21
Japan - Week 1
Beginner Course____________________
Motorland_________________________
Twin Ring Motegi West Short Course___
** General Information **
Code:
Week 1
Class A
Car Driver Points
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Fiat 500R 1972 Car-less 18
Fiat 500F 1965 Flynn77 14
Subaru SUBARU 360 1958 Fabmaru 12
Subaru SUBARU 360 1958 BH-21 10
Class B
Car Driver Points
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Honda CIVIC 1500 3door CX 1979 Car-less 17
Marcos Mini Marcos GT 1970 Flynn77 13
Nissan BLUEBIRD 1600 Deluxe (510) 1969 Ignignoc N Err 12
Triumph Spitfire 1500 1974 BH-21 11
Triumph Spitfire 1500 1974 Fabmaru 7
Class C
Car Driver Points
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Nissan 240ZG (HS30) 1971 Car-less 15
Lotus Elan S1 1962 BH-21 12
Nissan SKYLINE 2000GT-R (KPGC110) 1973 Korza493 11
Lotus Europa Special 1971 Ignignoc N Err 10
Mazda 110S (L10B) 1968 Flynn77 9
Toyota 2000GT 1967 Fabmaru 6
BMW 2002 Turbo 1973 Jet Badger 0
Class D
Car Driver Points
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Jensen Interceptor MkIII 1974 Fabmaru 15
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L46 350 (C3) 1969 Ignignoc N Err 15
Shelby Mustang G.T. 350R 1965 Car-less 13
Mercury Cougar XR-7 1967 Flynn77 9
Plymouth Cuda 440 Six Pack 1971 BH-21 8
Dodge Charger 440 R/T 1970 Sython11 0
Class E
Car Driver Points
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BUICK Special 1962 AndersonG22 17
Shelby Cobra 427 1967 Fabmaru 14
AC Cars 427 S/C 1966 Flynn77 11
AC Cars 427 S/C 1966 Car-less 10
Shelby Cobra 427 1967 BH-21 8
Code:
Finacial Statement (Week1)
Class A Starting Weekly Ending
Driver Balance Roll Deposits Debits Balance
BH-21 2,000 1 2,200 0 4,200
Car-Less 2,000 3 4,200 0 6,200
Fabmaru 2,000 6 3,600 0 5,600
Flynn77 2,000 4 3,600 1,950 3,650
Class B Starting Weekly Ending
Driver Balance Roll Deposits Debits Balance
BH-21 2,000 5 3,200 4,400 800
Car-Less 2,000 6 4,600 4,000 2,600
Fabmaru 2,000 5 2,400 0 4,400
Flynn77 2,000 2 2,000 50 4,950
Ignignoc N Err 2,000 3 3,000 1,050 3,950
Class C Starting Weekly Ending
Driver Balance Roll Deposits Debits Balance
BH-21 2,000 5 3,400 3,000 2,400
Car-Less 2,000 4 3,800 0 5,800
Fabmaru 2,000 2 1,600 0 3,600
Flynn77 2,000 6 3,000 1,250 3,750
Ignignoc N Err 2,000 6 3,200 1,150 4,050
Jet Badger 2,000 5 1,000 0 3,000
Korza493 2,000 2 2,600 0 4,600
Class D Starting Weekly Ending
Driver Balance Roll Deposits Debits Balance
BH-21 2,000 4 2,400 3,200 1,200
Car-Less 2,000 3 3,200 0 5,200
Fabmaru 2,000 4 3,800 2,100 3,700
Flynn77 2,000 4 2,600 50 4,550
Ignignoc N Err 2,000 2 3,400 50 5,350
Skython11 2,000 5 1,000 0 3,000
Class E Starting Weekly Ending
Driver Balance Roll Deposits Debits Balance
AndersonG22 2,000 4 4,200 0 6,200
BH-21 2,000 1 1,800 0 3,800
Car-Less 2,000 2 2,400 1,200 3,200
Fabmaru 2,000 5 3,800 2,250 3,550
Flynn77 2,000 5 3,200 50 5,150
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Race Results
Japan - Week 1 Times Points
Class A
Beginner Course _'__.___
Car-Less 1'20.992 6
Fabmaru 1'22.194 5
Flynn77 1'22.786 4
BH-21 1'25.185 3
Motorland _'__.___
Car-Less 2'16.581 6
Flynn77 2'19.112 5
BH-21 2'21.002 4
Fabmaru 2'24.354 3
Twin Ring Motegi West Short Course _'__.___
Car-Less 2'22.470 6
Flynn77 2'24.067 5
Fabmaru 2'29.119 4
BH-21 2'30.816 3
Class B
Beginner Course _'__.___
Ignignoc N Err 1'06.006 6
Car-Less 1'06.138 5
Flynn77 1'06.641 4
Fabmaru 1'07.155 3
BH-21 1'09.277 2
Motorland _'__.___
Car-Less 1'51.574 6
BH-21 1'52.186 5
Flynn77 1'52.643 4
Ignignoc N Err 1'52.823 3
Fabmaru 1'56.643 2
Twin Ring Motegi West Short Course _'__.___
Car-Less 1'53.606 6
Flynn77 1'54.295 5
BH-21 1'54.889 4
Ignignoc N Err 1'55.685 3
Fabmaru 2'02.176 2
Class C
Beginner Course _'__.___
Korza493 1'00.221 6
Ignignoc N Err 1'00.818 5
Car-Less 1'01.301 4
Flynn77 1'01.432 3
Fabmaru 1'02.531 2
BH-21 1'02.623 1
Jet Badger DNF
Motorland _'__.___
BH-21 1'41.349 6
Car-Less 1'43.602 5
Korza493 1'45.644 4
Ignignoc N Err 1'46.473 3
Flynn77 1'46.534 2
Fabmaru 1'47.894 1
Jet Badger DNF
Twin Ring Motegi West Short Course _'__.___
Car-Less 1'42.364 6
BH-21 1'44.500 5
Flynn77 1'45.577 4
Fabmaru 1'46.274 3
Ignignoc N Err 1'46.456 2
Korza493 1'48.940 1
Jet Badger DNF
Class D
Beginner Course _'__.___
Ignignoc N Err 0'56.598 6
Fabmaru 0'59.389 5
Flynn77 1'00.267 4
Car-Less 1'00.341 3
BH-21 1'01.996 2
Skython11 DNF
Motorland _'__.___
Car-Less 1'39.431 6
Fabmaru 1'42.039 5
BH-21 1'42.152 4
Ignignoc N Err 1'42.366 3
Flynn77 1'43.777 2
Skython11 DNF
Twin Ring Motegi West Short Course _'__.___
Ignignoc N Err 1'33.558 6
Fabmaru 1'36.144 5
Car-Less 1'36.662 4
Flynn77 1'39.134 3
BH-21 1'39.351 2
Skython11 DNF
Class E
Beginner Course _'__.___
AndersonG22 0'54.461 6
Fabmaru 0'55.328 5
Flynn77 0'57.673 4
Car-Less 0'58.040 3
BH-21 1'00.389 2
Motorland _'__.___
AndersonG22 1'32.981 6
Flynn77 1'36.549 5
Car-Less 1'36.595 4
Fabmaru 1'36.655 3
BH-21 1'37.529 2
Twin Ring Motegi West Short Course _'__.___
Fabmaru 1'25.864 6
AndersonG22 1'26.605 5
BH-21 1'29.190 4
Car-Less 1'29.437 3
Flynn77 1'32.619 2
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- fabmaru
Here are are the gearing choices:
Subaru 360 '58 (Fresh blue)
Triumph Spitfire 1500 '74 (White) - Close gearing
Toyota 2000GT 1967 (Thunder Silver) - Close gearing
Jensen Interceptor MkIII (Silver Grey Metallic) '74
Shelby Cobra 427 (Guardsman Blue Poly) '67
Can we install things in the cars with the 2000 Cr per car budget?
Subaru 360 '58 (Fresh blue)
Triumph Spitfire 1500 '74 (White) - Close gearing
Toyota 2000GT 1967 (Thunder Silver) - Close gearing
Jensen Interceptor MkIII (Silver Grey Metallic) '74
Shelby Cobra 427 (Guardsman Blue Poly) '67
Can we install things in the cars with the 2000 Cr per car budget?
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- ryldhune
Was running my Class B entry, the Mini Marcos GT, over at Motegi West. The darndest thing happened...Spitfires and March Brothers alike were weaving side to side as if drunk coming off the second straightaway...I was laughing so hard I forgot to record the race results for my first attempt. 
Was I the only one having trouble running the 427 on the Beginner Course? O_o
Was I the only one having trouble running the 427 on the Beginner Course? O_o
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Why can't you? This is the first racing period of two weeks, just pick your entries and decide if you want a close or super close transmission for each of your cars, (assuming they can take one.) Join in the mayhem. After the first racing period is really the cutoff.
Fabmaru
Thanks mate. You can buy parts for a car anytime you have a positive bank balance in that class. you have to post all your purchases here in the thread so everyone knows what they are facing.
Flynn77
Nope, you were not. Fun isn't it, its a touchy beast.
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I'm sorry for it, but there seems to be some confusion over how many tracks you should drive right away.
Basicly if you five car entries just drive all of them on the first track, Beginners Course. We have a two week window to do all three tracks. Once all the times are in, I post the results, you can buy parts if you want, then race the next track and 'PM' the results. We keep this cycle up until we finish the three track block or the two week period runs out and I DNF anyone not finished.
Basicly if you five car entries just drive all of them on the first track, Beginners Course. We have a two week window to do all three tracks. Once all the times are in, I post the results, you can buy parts if you want, then race the next track and 'PM' the results. We keep this cycle up until we finish the three track block or the two week period runs out and I DNF anyone not finished.
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I would like to run the Buick Special '62 and take on the cobras. I will post my upgrades, FYI I will not be using the free tranny upgrades.
edit: stock it has 586hp.
No oil change
Total BR is $2,000
edit: stock it has 586hp.
No oil change
Total BR is $2,000
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Are you guys in the cobras racing race cars? I think this buick is a race car and illegal.
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- St. Ann, MO
- ryldhune
Illegal?
*points at BH-21*
He made me do it!
Oh, wait, I'm driving a 427 S/C. Nevermind.
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