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I preordered GT6, first time I preorder a game. I bought PS3 because GT5.
GT 6 pre-orders very low
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Personally I held off on my preorder since I assumed that there would be a delay. Yesterday I finally decided that it'd probably hit stores on time so I preordered for the bonuses. Hope I didn't jinx that 'on time' bit.
I'm not nearly as excited about this title as I was for gt5. I'm already forcing my expectations to be low and preparing myself for the worst. On paper it doesn't sound as finished as GT5. It also seems like PD is limiting expectations (compared to last time)--and it's pretty hard to presell a game under those circumstances. I've seen ads in gamestop, but I don't know how hard sony is pushing this game, for example, in tv ads.
Really if I had any sense at all, I'd wait for the XL edition which would cost a third as much, has everything right on the disc, and probably feels a bit more finished. I'm really surprised that PD is still going at this alone rather than teaming up with another studio--maybe for some model work (access to cars in other markets), multiplayer or UI design. Seems like a lot of studios would have some useful experience there.
I'm not nearly as excited about this title as I was for gt5. I'm already forcing my expectations to be low and preparing myself for the worst. On paper it doesn't sound as finished as GT5. It also seems like PD is limiting expectations (compared to last time)--and it's pretty hard to presell a game under those circumstances. I've seen ads in gamestop, but I don't know how hard sony is pushing this game, for example, in tv ads.
Really if I had any sense at all, I'd wait for the XL edition which would cost a third as much, has everything right on the disc, and probably feels a bit more finished. I'm really surprised that PD is still going at this alone rather than teaming up with another studio--maybe for some model work (access to cars in other markets), multiplayer or UI design. Seems like a lot of studios would have some useful experience there.
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- jimipitbull
Choice. It's a beautiful thing.
I take it you rooted more for Goliath than David, yes?
Depends on the situation
But of course, I understand everyone has their own opinion on customization. Looks like my view is skewed more towards Kaz's vision as customization is very limited rather than seemingly most gamers'.
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No way will it sell as many as GT5 imo, pre orders are a true indication.
It just won't have the image it needs to do that. People will see that it's for ps3 and assume it's old and/or crap compared with games for next gen consoles. Even if they don't have those consoles yet, it will still affect their decision, and when talking about such large numbers, it means it will impact on sales.
Plus for some people GT5 will have been "enough", so until new graphics wow them, or a new console needs a driving game bought for it.
Some will have been put off by GT5.
Plenty of the regular brand-new-game-buyers will be ditching their ps3 altogether.
GT3 sold in significantly larger numbers than GT4, and that was released a good time before PS3.
I'll be surprised if it manages 6 million internationally, boat=missed.
It just won't have the image it needs to do that. People will see that it's for ps3 and assume it's old and/or crap compared with games for next gen consoles. Even if they don't have those consoles yet, it will still affect their decision, and when talking about such large numbers, it means it will impact on sales.
Plus for some people GT5 will have been "enough", so until new graphics wow them, or a new console needs a driving game bought for it.
Some will have been put off by GT5.
Plenty of the regular brand-new-game-buyers will be ditching their ps3 altogether.
GT3 sold in significantly larger numbers than GT4, and that was released a good time before PS3.
I'll be surprised if it manages 6 million internationally, boat=missed.
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- Johnnypenso
You think someone watching a GT6 trailer from Bathurst or Silverstone or any combination of premium tracks and cars is going to think it's "old or crap". Those cars and tracks look as good as pretty much anything on the market PS3 or 4 or XBone or PC.
I highly doubt the number of PS3's ditched is very high. Last I heard there are 5 million PS4's shipped and that's less than 10% of PS3's in service now. Even if as many as half of them got rid of their PS3's some will be sold to others who will use them, resulting in only a tiny change in the PS3 install base. I think most people will run them side by side for a while until they build up a base of games and PS4 has no driving game at the moment so PS3/GT is it for now if that's what you want.
6 million in international sales is nothing to sneeze at. Many games developers would cut off a limb to get those kind of figures.
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Have you seen the Forza trailers or pCars footage? Even with all the filters and higher resolution, GT6 on the ps3 is starting to show its age. For somebody that wants the latest thing it isn't the go to game anymore, nor console.
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PCars isn't on the market so comparisons for the buying public are meaningless since it isn't an option. And while Forza may have a slight edge but not so much that the majority of casual gamers are going to say, "Wow GT sucks now and Forza just blows it away". They are close enough that other things will matter more if making a choice like 12 tracks vs. 100 layouts..
But the point was, no one will look at GT6 and say it's old and crap as was suggested except for the most diehard fanboy of some other game.
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A lot of us here don't realize that GT is Sony's highest production selling game, with over 60 million copies. It's pretty much a trend for GT to always have high numbers as a base game, unlike "GT for boys". (Which has never came out yet) it will be interesting to see if they fall short of ten million, as there are A LOT of people who are willing to buy it, rather than the occasional naysayer.
Also, with the increased public awareness of the previous GT Academy, I'm quite sure that was a larger boost than last years (I'll have to look at the participation numbers for both). But yeah, so... There really isn't no comparison between any for now. And whoever thinks pre-orders are an indicator, you have to be daft to think of such. Show me numbers of ratios between high preorder to shelves, and averages, and then ratios for low pre orders to shelves and averages.
This concoct of placing down unsourced information is getting quite ridiculous. It makes me wonder if those 12 years of literature and composition were worth anything to anyone else..
Also, with the increased public awareness of the previous GT Academy, I'm quite sure that was a larger boost than last years (I'll have to look at the participation numbers for both). But yeah, so... There really isn't no comparison between any for now. And whoever thinks pre-orders are an indicator, you have to be daft to think of such. Show me numbers of ratios between high preorder to shelves, and averages, and then ratios for low pre orders to shelves and averages.
This concoct of placing down unsourced information is getting quite ridiculous. It makes me wonder if those 12 years of literature and composition were worth anything to anyone else..
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It is the job of the game developer to create the difficulty levels and competitions. Not the job of the player. I think it is just crazy some gt players think it is the responsibility of the player to make the game developer designed a-spec races interesting by spending lots of time to figure out how many hundred horsepowers less they can take so that passing the ai isnt't a game of whackamole.
No. It is the job of pd period. There is no point in having the a-spec at all if it is my job to adjust the tires, the power and the handling of my car so the slower than snail and more stupid than half eaten burrito ai drivers can offer soemthing that resembles a challenge. Those ai drivers who brake check me on corner exits and brake into flatout bends. Adjustable difficulty. Something gamers have had in games since early 90s. But not in gt. Only super easy mode available.
There is a good way to do it and there is a bad way to do it. Gt does it horribly. If I choose to race against the most difficult setting then it should offer me challenge becuse that is what I want and that is what the game developer intended by calling it the hardest difficulty. Not doing so is just a massive fail of the game and fail of the developers. It is a failure to deliver on a promise. It is bad game design. Personally I don't care if the ai has to cheat to do it. If the pp of the race is 500 and I choose the hardest difficulty it is the job of the game to adjust the ai cars so that they go fast enough to give me that hardest difficulty race.
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Are you saying that you have tried the Sunday Cup driving a stock VW beetle?
Let me guess, with racing softs....
Let me guess, with racing softs....
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Really. How so? It isn't a complete rehash like *certain* games have been, and while most of us know it has changed (better or worse is your opinion, fact is that change has occured), the "magpies" will see it on the shelf, recognizing the GT name, and look on the back to find multiple points of 'NEW' all over the blurbs.
As for preorders- Oh sure, something that has a bonus attatched to it that will in the long run be at most 3% of the overall sales is the be-all end-all of industry tells. I think Ubisoft is hiring oracles.
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I know a few people who bought GT5 who never even played racing games.. look at how many people bought COD ghost on the ps3 and 360..
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Gran Turismo is part of the family. Especially since my gran passed away.
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Isn't it funny guys? People are actually basing pre-orders on game sells now... Did those people forget that others will rather buy the regular editions instead too? Not everyone pre-orders games you know. And now, some are saying from the new trailer of GT6, is old and crap content? Are you SERIOUS??? Talk about being blind to not see all of the new content GT6 has shown in one trailer, ONE. Plus, you've must have missed the news, but that's some pretty damn new content I've heard and seen.
Humanity has really amazed me so much...
Humanity has really amazed me so much...
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I never use racing softs. I drive all my road cars with comfort softs or less. I drive super GTs with sports mediums at most.
But I'll give you an example. You buy the latest call of medal: maximum shiny edition. You start playing it. You are good at call of medal games so you choose the hardest difficulty level. The game is still super easy. The enemies basically walk into your scopes and when you throw a grenade the enemies go running after it. Now, going with your analogy if you want challenge it is your job to play through the game using only worn kitchen knife? Because using uzi or ak47 ("racing softs") is... what exactly?
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Career mode isn't for you then. Race online, time trials etc. That's where GT's longevity sits.
That said, you are quite capable of dumbing down your choice of weapon. Perhaps try a wooden spoon.
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Because of the mess GT5 was at release, many are wary of buying GT6 until they see that **** have been patched.
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It's my opinion. Yes, people will think it's "old or crap" simply because it's on an older console. You tell a casual game player that GT6 is coming out at xmas and see how it affects their reaction when you tell them it's on ps3. Right or wrong it's the way it is and if you think all those people could be won over by videos or content you're mistaken imo.
6 million is of course a vast number, I've certainly not suggested that the game will not sell, but I'll be surprised if it gets up there. There's no way they can expect to get close to the GT5 numbers unless they start selling it for pennies.
Pre-orders indicate enthusiasm for a title. No pre-orders- no enthusiasm, and it's not like Sony are likely to invest heavily in an ad campaign for a game for their older console, all they're going to care about over the holidays is getting ahead in the console sales war.
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My point exactly. Like I said before, I have never pre-order a game in my life. All those extras and exclusive content is marketing, so it doesn't affect me one bit.
But just because I didn't pre-order, doesn't mean I won't buy it. In fact, I will buy the game.
I tend to believe that if a person has a PS3 and is not planning to buy a PS4, that GT6 will win them over. I mean, why would they care if it were not on the PS4 since they wouldn't be buying one anyway? It would only affect a person's decision if they had chucked in their PS3 and bought a PS4. I know a guy who's just bought a PS3, even though the PS4 is coming out in 12 days time.
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Yep.
But these things don't often correlate with actual quality.
GT3 (14 million) outsold GT4 (11 million) and GT4 was the much more complete, fully featured game.
Console life cycle point, market trends etc.
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Firstly, in many countries, cost of PS4/XB1 is way too high for most people. 12 months or so until the price drops....
As soon as GT5 online winds up, GT6 sales will increase. GT Academy 2014 ---> GT6 sales will increase. GT Academy 2015 may have an impact, depending on if it's GT6 or GT7 based.
New tracks already announced ---> more sales. GPS track editor ---> more sales
These are all features no other console racer currently has, or looks to have for at least 12 months.
Until PCars launches, there is no real competition for GT6.
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