- 4,555
- Australia
Mate I read your post. You said why not burn coal to make electricity. I reacted in the manner suitabe to that rediculous idea.
Fact.
GT game must make us aware of climate change and also driving safely.
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Mate I read your post. You said why not burn coal to make electricity. I reacted in the manner suitabe to that rediculous idea.
Fact.
- 2,073
- Newcastle, NSW, Australia
- mrvajj
We should cut out the middle man and run our vehicles on coal! Oh man I'm getting consumption just thinking about it!
- 4,555
- Australia
My God. I was reading the newspaper the other week and someone came in on the letters page making themeselves up to be smart and respected.
Obviously knowing nothing about cars, they said all cars should be run off steam like a steam locomotive, because water is a reusable source. Hello?! How do you suggest we heat the water? Some people today think they have great ideas, but actually have no idea what they are talking about and it annoys me to no end.
- 2,073
- Newcastle, NSW, Australia
- mrvajj
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So I'm talking to children here? People who don't care about educating themselves? People who lack the sort of intelligence required to see the point I was making to a guy insinuating that using coal would be a bad idea?
Noted.
- 2,073
- Newcastle, NSW, Australia
- mrvajj
Is your high-horse powered by coal too?
- 2,796
- São Paulo
- Dravonic
Well I can tell you all that one thing is certain: sooner or latter we all will be driving electric or hydrogen/electric cars. Or maybe something else entirely. Gas will be gone. Not because of the environment, but because combustion engines have a ridiculously low efficiency. Too much energy is lost to heat and noise.
Also I don't know what all the fuzz is about. We will have about 900 gas powered cars, or even more probably. I'll be surprised if we have more than 50 hybrids/electrics. So you gas lovers will have plenty. Also we all know the chances of PD doing what this guy is suggesting...
Also I don't know what all the fuzz is about. We will have about 900 gas powered cars, or even more probably. I'll be surprised if we have more than 50 hybrids/electrics. So you gas lovers will have plenty. Also we all know the chances of PD doing what this guy is suggesting...
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*LOL* now you think I'm on a high horse because of what you just admitted to me.
I think your own posts here are only helping my supposition.
- 2,073
- Newcastle, NSW, Australia
- mrvajj
What did I admit?
- 4,555
- Australia
Burning coal is wasteful for producing stuff....eg electricity. It is a non renewable source that is necessary for making things, heating things etc. Burning fossil fuels also adds to polution in the atmosphere - which is bad. Making more polution and burning fossil fuels to power a GREEN car is POINTLESS. Its like shooting yourself in the foot. Like say "I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous".
It is NOT needed to make electricity because renweable generation methods can do it as well - not as efficiently, but we need to preserve fossil fuels.
The whole concept if an electric car is pretty pointless aswell. First, how to you dispose of an electric car with all the polutants in the batteries and the plastics to keep the weight down?
What about how they are made? The Prius gets shiped around the world twice in order to get made. The electricity they use is enourmous and if everyone was to buy one, goodbye scenery, goodbye tourist spots - it'd all be filled with wind turbines and solar panels.
Also - why talk about electric generation for cars when hydrogen is clearly the way forward? Still electricity, but its generated from the hydrogen.
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That you don't learn facts based on the merit of supplied information, but rather on how entertaining you find as a read.
If that's not childish and ignorant...I don't know what is.
Your arguements are all valid but then you fail to apply them to your own solution.
Where do you think they get the hydrogen from in the first place?
How do they get hydrogen into a form that can be distributed at a more conventional pump?
It all uses electricity so you are back at square one again.
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- 2,472
- Virginia USA
- SuperCobraJet1
I don't know where you are getting your info from?
Coal burning Technology is now as clean if not cleaner and efficient than oil.
The USA has enough Coal and Natural gas to generate electricity for several hundred thousand years.
They should be used everywhere and often in concert with hybrids and electric cars, to reduce as much as possible the oil dependency.
However, WTH this has to do with GT5 I'll never know.
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Thanks for posting this, as it lets me know that you did not read my post.
As I pointed out, even with coal being used to generate electricity you have a much smaller carbon footprint than with gas.
It's like complaining about spending one dollar to make 5 dollars. You're claiming that we shouldn't bother spending that one dollar. And I agree because I do think we don't have to spend anything (ie. solar and wind energy). But this ties into my next point...
Secondly, I would have figured that you would realized that the post I was responding to was insinuating that electricity is just as polluting as gas because the source is burnt fuel. I was demonstrating that even in a worst case scenario, that it was still more ecological to use electricity.
The batteries are recycled.
Not every electric car has to be shipped multiple times to be made, this is a laughably ridiculous argument. How many times does the Roadster (an electric car, whereas the Prius is a parallel hybrid IIRC)
Still even if a car (whether it's ICE or electric) had to get shipped a hundred times, it's primarily using gas, not electricity, for this function of shipping.
Again, this is proof that you didn't read my post, which had a link that demonstrated how much power would be required by motorists judging by their driving habits, even if everyone bought one.
Mainly because Hydrogen FC technology is so far off and batteries are making leaps and strides every year. I'm also guessing that the fact that the cost of creating hydrogen fueling stations is much greater than electric fueling stations plays into this as well.
- 4,555
- Australia
Ok, I was talking about in less developed countries, but more the point I was making was the fact that we need to preserve coal for more important things than generating electricity which could be produced with renewable resoures.
This is partially true but then again when you look at the whole picture the saving is no-where near what you would expect.
First you have to look at the resources used in making the solar panels in the first place. Then there is distributing them and installing them, all of which would use a tremendous amount of resources which you have to then offset against any savings the panels would make over their lifetime which again isn't all that long and then they have to be replaced using more resources.
Then you need to have power stations online and generating electricity anyway in case of poor weather reducing the efficiency and output of the solar panels.
The problem is, at the moment whatever anyone claims there just isn't a viable large scale alternative to the way we generate electricity. If there was we wouldn't need to have these debates, and tinkering around at the edges isn't going to make any real difference at all.
If climate change really is such a threat the only way to deal with it is a wholesale change in peoples lifestyles, massive reductions in energy consumption to levels that could be currently sustained by clean energy generating sources. None of that will happen by leaving the general public to voluntarily and gradually changing their lifestyles, it would have to be enforced by governments, none of whom are willing to do that just yet
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Bio fuel is great. From trash or from plants. I think this cards will be included also in GT
- 4,555
- Australia
Well......this post lets me know that you did not read my post about reading your original post.
Most electric cars aren't shipped 2 times around the world, but the Pruis is probably the most popular (at least here in Australia) which is who shifts the most and is being the most wasteful
Yes, the Nickel out of the batteries is salvaged, but you'll find that Toyota make their own nickel to put in the batteries. I just read an article saying they produce 1000 tonnes a year and has ruined the surrounding ecosystem.
If by "gas" you are reffering to LPG - let me remind you of what the P stands for in that.
Yes, it is reducing the rate, but it is not long term solution.
Renewable resources (although not as efficient) are much better for producing electricity than fossil fuels because they don't defeat the purpose. And I still strongly hold the idea that hydrogen is the way foreward.
- 1,773
- Sherbrooke, Québec,
Its funny to see that some "gear head", wich are suppose to love big loud motor, could go with a racing game that have no other sound than wind and tire noise 
With electric car, battery powered, sure you do not pollute while driving. But what about when your car have reached its end? Can you recycle the batteries?
I have a 1993 Lincoln Town Car with a 4.6L V8 that have 260k km on the clock, original motor and transmission, with no rebuild whatsoever, for the motor or the tranny, but my car battery, currently in the car, is 4yo. So, imagine that a standar battery life span is, lets say 5yo, every 5years or so you must change it in order to be able to drive your car. And thats with a gas powered car.
Now, an electric car, running only on batteries, also have a similar life for those batteries. Imagine that ALL car sold are only batteries powered cars, what would they do with all those batteries that are not rechargeable no more?? My car cost me 80$ every 5years to change that SMALL batterie, what about a car running only with that??
Running electric cars isnt a bad idea, but you must also think about what happen when that car isnt usable no more, what to do with those highly poluant component.
thats just my 2¢
With electric car, battery powered, sure you do not pollute while driving. But what about when your car have reached its end? Can you recycle the batteries?
I have a 1993 Lincoln Town Car with a 4.6L V8 that have 260k km on the clock, original motor and transmission, with no rebuild whatsoever, for the motor or the tranny, but my car battery, currently in the car, is 4yo. So, imagine that a standar battery life span is, lets say 5yo, every 5years or so you must change it in order to be able to drive your car. And thats with a gas powered car.
Now, an electric car, running only on batteries, also have a similar life for those batteries. Imagine that ALL car sold are only batteries powered cars, what would they do with all those batteries that are not rechargeable no more?? My car cost me 80$ every 5years to change that SMALL batterie, what about a car running only with that??
Running electric cars isnt a bad idea, but you must also think about what happen when that car isnt usable no more, what to do with those highly poluant component.
thats just my 2¢
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Good points, but this is based on the assumption that solar panel technology won't change when it seems to be at a dramatic rate currently. A California based company is making paper thin solar technology using nano technology that is supposed to cost a fraction of the cost of current technology and be slightly more efficient.
If solar panels at this point were at their peak efficiency and dirt cheap I'd agree with you, but right now there is so much more room for improvement that we can't discount it for it's costs.
At the same time, people have been making money off their solar panels for years now. Remember the government pays back half the costs in setting up your home with a solar setup. These people have saved not only on their bills but they are selling power back to their electricity providers.
This will always be the case for sure, especially for homes in areas that are prone to a variety of weather. But I think you'll agree that the point is not to become energy independent in our own homes. Rather, just to reduce the load on power stations.
I think that the "cost" motivator will push a lot of people. The same applies to electric cars.
It's estimated that the batteries in the Roadster cost $80K (Tesla has never said it themselves). If battery costs go down to 1/10 that then everyone would jump on a sportscar that can go 0 - 60mph in 4 seconds for only $40K. It is a big "if" but we've seen crazier things (like computer technology improving at the rate it has).
How so?
So what does this have to do with electric cars being wasteful? Again, a poor argument.
You aren't likely going to see Toyota batteries used for future electric cars. There are plenty of far more effecient batteries coming up from even big players like BMW.
Of course, and I never said it was long term. In fact the whole time I'm insinuating that it's the worst case scenario.
It will be another 10-15 years before Hydrogen FCs become viable for the public, maybe you are getting confused with Hydrogen ICEs.
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- 1,773
- Sherbrooke, Québec,
Here in Quebec, Canada, we have Hydro-electricity, wich consist of turbine powered by water
and we do sell what we dont use to our american neighbor 👍 Hydro-electricity is not the best way neither to produce electricity, but when producing it, its not poluting and ist not affected by poor weather, only draw back is the flooding of hundred of thousand of acres of land wich are not populated anyway 
- 4,555
- Australia
Because I already said I read your post
Because if Toyota is setting the standard by being that good ol' coorporation it always is, they won't be shifted on themeslves making a profit buy wasting resources. And if it is always the most popular, then they won't change anything and it will always ship thousands of cars around the globe to get made cheaply. That was a poor evasion of quite an obvious fact. It seems like your really digging in your heels to at least see from another view.
It doesn't stop Toyota from making 1000 tonnes of it every year though, does it? Again, another poor rebuttal.
See how annoying it is? Please don't criticise my debating skills, its rather annoying, is more detrimental to your image than mine, and I'll just do it back to you because quite honestly, I'm quite tired and not really in the mood to rise above it. Stay on topic.
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- Miami,Florida
- soldiaboy1
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