boiltheocean
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I wasn't listening to it, my German is nonexistent, but it was being discussed on Facebook with RLM/Midweek Motorsport, a few German listeners relayed the info and translated.
Was just talking to him on Facebook about it, it is just normal procedure. Still likely to affect VLN2, and a lot more, depending on the investigation outcome.
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Hopefully the GT3 cars will be allowed back.
I'm wondering if some modifications may need to be made to the cars, even if it's only adding some ballast to slow the down specifically on the Nordschleife.
The other concern, however, is that (as has previously been mentioned) current GT3 cars are now approaching Group C levels of pace, and with a large number of amateur drivers racing in them, one questions whether such levels of pace are safe in general.
I'm wondering if some modifications may need to be made to the cars, even if it's only adding some ballast to slow the down specifically on the Nordschleife.
The other concern, however, is that (as has previously been mentioned) current GT3 cars are now approaching Group C levels of pace, and with a large number of amateur drivers racing in them, one questions whether such levels of pace are safe in general.
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For me, at least, it's a case of cap the pace, or find more suitable places to run the cars - if not, such accidents will happen.
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I know in NASCAR they have roof flaps to allow pressure to escape from the cockpit to help keep the cars on the ground. Do these feature on GT£ cars, and if not, would it be advisable to introduce them?
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Is it not possible somewhere on the car to install holes like LMP cars to prevent lifting off? The physics side of me is trying to work out where they would have to be though...
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This was discussed shortly after the incident; they alleviate pressure on a car spinning backwards - they wouldn't have helped in a situation like this. The only other system could be some form of underside mounting, which would likely have a pointlessly narrow window of operation.
Removal of full flat floors and extravagant aero packages seems a favourite at the minute. Stop the plane effect, and slow the cars down.
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I must admit, I don't understand the whole flat floors thing. I understand that aspects of ground effect were either dangerous or impractical, but surely some aspects of it could be exploited simply to make cars less likely to take off?
Or are flat floors the best solution there?
I'm sure I've seen Gordon Murray commenting on his dislike of flat floors from a safety perspective before.
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To me the obvious short term solution would look to be an increased minimum weight and smaller engine air restrictors to reduce power.
Increasing speeds of GT3 cars also seem against the point of the formula to me.
Or are flat floors the best solution there?
I'm sure I've seen Gordon Murray commenting on his dislike of flat floors from a safety perspective before.
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To me the obvious short term solution would look to be an increased minimum weight and smaller engine air restrictors to reduce power.
Increasing speeds of GT3 cars also seem against the point of the formula to me.
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Reinvent the category to some degree seems like one of the possible options.
The levels of downforce they're running now basically means you have to get a good aero balance. Once the airflow breaks under the splitter, as the rake angle has been met by the front lifting up, all the air is channeled into what is effectively a flat wing surface - it literally just takes off from there.
Try a paper plane, with no aileron adjustments, and throw it down - it'll go down. That's like the downforce created by the splitter. If you throw it slightly upwards, it rises - that's like the flat floor of the car.
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The thing to remember is unlike NASCAR or P1 or P2 cars which are designed from scratch to the rules, these GT3 cars are supposed to be racing adapted road cars, so implementing things like ducted cowling is going to create an unfathomable cost for what is suppose to be a cheap series,
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Think it was touched upon here, Taki Iinoue's stupid comments yesterday.
Well, he has apologised and deleted the tweet.
https://twitter.com/takiinoue/status/582161349465251841
Well, he has apologised and deleted the tweet.
https://twitter.com/takiinoue/status/582161349465251841
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Well I'm done caring about VLN until those classes comeback.
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https://twitter.com/marceltencaat/status/582174767115030529 …
Well and truly not first.
This is a page with the classes on it.
http://www.vln.de/en/info/spectators/division-into-classes.html
Well and truly not first.
This is a page with the classes on it.
http://www.vln.de/en/info/spectators/division-into-classes.html
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If the investigation finds that the cars are unsuitable for the track, that may never happen.
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Downhill Dino
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Yup. Looks like I might not be watching the 24 hour there this year either. Shame.
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No SP7, SP8, SP8T, SP9, SP10, SP-Pro and SP-X means no GT cars anymore.
Good luck keeping the VLN. Such nonesense, hope it's just for a short time, while the investigations are running.
The cars are safe, Mardenborough didn't have a scratch, after such a huge impact, the spectator safety is a completely different thing.
Good luck keeping the VLN. Such nonesense, hope it's just for a short time, while the investigations are running.
The cars are safe, Mardenborough didn't have a scratch, after such a huge impact, the spectator safety is a completely different thing.
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I doubt they'll be gone for long. Most likely they'll just ban spectators from certain areas and perhaps bring in some slight performance restrictions on the cars.
At least I hope so.
At least I hope so.
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The track is the issue, not the cars. Yes front or mid front engined cars have issues with this turn...so why not change the turn? Spa's changed Eau Rouge over the years...why not this one?
Nurburgring is dangerous in anything you drive, ever seen those (everyone is okay) crash videos of Nurburgring? EVERYTHING has crashed at this corner.
Nurburgring is dangerous in anything you drive, ever seen those (everyone is okay) crash videos of Nurburgring? EVERYTHING has crashed at this corner.
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Eau rouge hasn't changed, only the bits around it, and while they should give more run off there, they need to shave that crest first, no point ruining one of the iconic corners of the circuit for the sake of a freak accident
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Because there's no money and because you're not allowed to because of natural conversation.
It doesn't need to be changed anyway. The car got air before the crest, so it's an aerodynamic problem with the Nissan, the car also didn't flip over the fence because of the blowover, it flipped because of the tyre barrier.
Marc Hennerici made a good point: A guardrail closer to the track, wouldn't have let the GT-R fly into the spectator area.
