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[Kitten]

http://www.motorsport.com/vln/news/gt3-cars-banned-from-nordschleife-after-fatal-accident

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[20832]

http://www.motorsport.com/vln/news/gt3-cars-banned-from-nordschleife-after-fatal-accident

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Was already posted 2 pages prior

 

[G.T.Ace]

Yeah, but that is most likely caused (in part that is) by the driver not slowing down sufficiently before the crest, otherwise the car wouldn't wheelie but just make a slight, subtle jump.

You don't lift before the crest anyway on a really fast lap, maybe (maybe) before the right hander after that.
Drivers don't like to admit it, but you can see it often enough.

 

[Kitten]

Was already posted 2 pages prior

Oh! Im sorry! I didnt read that far behind.

Sorry, Again.

 

[Bo]

You're still avoiding that the speed seems to be in no correlation to deadly incidents.

I'd put a fair amount of money on saying that yes, yes it does. You're still using the "deadly" thing which I pointed out is no way of measuring suitability.

Sure, ban GT3, then people will die in their 3 Series, because they're not experienced enough and the safety of the cars isn't good enough. The speed of the cars has absolutely nothing to do with anything related to death tolls, nothing.

Death tolls x, death tolls y; anyone can die in any kind of race car. But saying that just because no driver has been killed in a modern GT3 car is no excuse to let catastrophically large accidents occur. Did you actually go through what I said here?

Racing accidents are strange things. Some massive ones leave the driver with nothing but a few bruises, whilst some that appear minor can cause some quite serious injuries. However, the general rule is, crashing into a wall at 100mph in a touring car is preferable to crashing into a wall at about 150 in a GT car. The faster you go, the bigger the accidents - there has to be some cut-off point where no more speed can be tolerated, when going off almost definitely results in injury - be it to the driver or spectators. Crashes happen in racing, but there has to be a scale to which they're tolerated.

But the speed didn't cause the crash.

The car was able to crash with such a force as to completely crumple and launch into a crowd - is that better?

I am not saying the "GT3 is too fast" argument is related to the "the Nissan had aero problems" one. Every year, we've been so damn lucky to avoid some horrific accidents.

A full blowover didn't happen before, but last year for example, one of the SLS' actually wheelied and bounced of the track 2-3 times with its frontend. Was scary as hell.

...Point in question. When the cars get too aerodynamically complex, when what's considered a "normal off" is a barrel roll or massive frontal impact at lethal speeds - it's time to stop. Spa last year was the scariest race I've ever watched - lots of drivers playing it like a sprint race in worryingly quick machinery. At the Nurburgring, it's the same story - except everything's magnified.

 

[Furinkazen]

Enjoying the hour long Pirelli Safety Car Challenge.

 

[Nessy]

A very unfortunate accident indeed. I wonder if the GTR had a roof mounted wing, would it have cancelled out more of the lift? Either that, or maybe the drivers should scrub the hill/jump like they do in Motocross and Supermoto etc etc.

 

[Bo]

Enjoying the hour long Pirelli Safety Car Challenge.

Someone needs teaching their flags again.

 

[20832]

You don't lift before the crest anyway on a really fast lap, maybe (maybe) before the right hander after that.
Drivers don't like to admit it, but you can see it often enough.

They don't? Let's take a fast lap as an example (a record lap even), start watching at 2:37. He clearly lifts before hitting the jump.

 

[G.T.Ace]

They don't? Let's take a fast lap as an example, start watching at 2:37. He clearly lifts before hitting the jump.

It depends on the car, I've seen the opposite often enough, usually in the Audis.
Too lazy to look for videos now though, Moto3 is on.

 

[20832]

It depends on the car, I've seen the opposite often enough, usually in the Audis.
Too lazy to look for videos now though, Moto3 is on.

Fair enough, however I'd like to see the video, whenever you find the time to post it

 

[IforceV8]

Davison better watch out ,Skeen's trailer trash girl friend will beat his ass.

 

[TDZdave]

Is there a PWC race now?

 

[catamount39]

Is there a PWC race now?

Just finished and Olivia Berretta won in the #61 Ferrari (2nd for the #25 Gallardo, and 3rd to the #9 Mclaren).

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

It depends on the car, I've seen the opposite often enough, usually in the Audis.
Too lazy to look for videos now though, Moto3 is on.

You'll struggle with race cars like this then as you'll find they will all lift or brush the brakes or dip the clutch as if they don't do one of the above then.

1. It won't shift the weight forward risking a flip.

2.Puting that kind of force on the drive train will cause something to brake eg drive shaft etc.

Learned this at Cadwell park over the last couple of years which has a lot lower speed at the take off point compared to this track.

This current crop of GT3 cars are the fastest non-single seaters to have ever gone round the track. Everything as fast, or faster, has been quite rightly banned, since they are just massive accidents waiting to happen.

Actually LMP1 cars are faster than GT3 cars. Also your friend was wrong about the quote from RLM on GT3 cars racing at Le Mans.

The manufactors are the reason GT3 cars aren't allowed at Le Mans as they prefer GTE as they are more true to the road cars compared to GT3.

 

[adam46]

Actually LMP1 cars are faster than GT3 cars.

You're aware the discussion is 'Ring specific, yes? LMP1 cars don't, and never have, used the full 24hr layout.

 

[Bo]

Actually LMP1 cars are faster than GT3 cars.

This current crop of GT3 cars are the fastest non-single seaters to have ever gone round the track.

Take a really wild guess as to what I was referring to.

 

[Furinkazen]

The manufactors are the reason GT3 cars aren't allowed at Le Mans as they prefer GTE as they are more true to the road cars compared to GT3.

ACO / FIA = GTE
SRO = GT3.

 

[catamount39]

ACO / FIA = GTE
SRO = GT3.

Well...there is an FIA GT3 world championship...and the class is first BoP'd by the FIA...and is govern'd in large part by the FIA...and the FIA sets its regulations...

 

[TDZdave]

GTE also has a more thorough rule book to build too, whereas GT3 is a little loose when it comes to certain areas,

 

[Bo]

GTE also has a more thorough rule book to build too, whereas GT3 is a little loose when it comes to certain areas,

Hence why the aero kits have gone a little OTT for this year.

 

[catamount39]

Hence why the aero kits have gone a little OTT for this year.

What are you talking about bruh? They're completely...

Oh...

 

[20832]

You'll struggle with race cars like this then as you'll find they will all lift or brush the brakes or dip the clutch as if they don't do one of the above then.

High performance cars also jump at Flugplatz

 

[MatskiMonk]

I wonder if this will get sorted before the 24.

 

[catamount39]

I wonder if this will get sorted before the 24.

I hope it does otherwise there's no point in watching it.

 

[20832]

I wonder if this will get sorted before the 24.

I think so, or rather I hope so.

 

[MatskiMonk]

I hope it does otherwise there's no point in watching it.

Yeah, I have my tickets already but I've not book travel yet. Might wait until this is resolved. If it's resolved.

Last year's fastest cars during the race in the SP9 class were doing up to 182km/h laps. The fastest car that wasn't in the banned classes was an SP3T Audi TT, doing 167km/h laps.

Edit: Banned classes accounted for 67 out of 165 cars at the 2014 N24

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Well...there is an FIA GT3 world championship...and the class is first BoP'd by the FIA...and is govern'd in large part by the FIA...and the FIA sets its regulations...

FIA GT3 hasn't existed since 2012, it is now the Blancpain Sprint Series which is an SRO series.

 

[catamount39]

FIA GT3 hasn't existed since 2012, it is now the Blancpain Sprint Series which is an SRO series.

Well besides that the class is run entirely by the FIA spec, regulation, BoP...series can however choose their own BoP or the FIA.

Why on earth do you think it's called the FIA GT3 class? Or that TUSCC will be going FIA GT3 for GTD in 2016? Or that the FIA does the BoP for new cars at Paul Ricard?

 

[boiltheocean]

Well besides that the class is run entirely by the FIA.