GT Sport vs Other Games: Comparison Video Thread
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May be my display(27 iMac), but something looks funny between these two videos. Looking at the sections with the Porsche on the mountain road. The top video looks pretty good, but the bottom one looks like it was darker, but with a very slight white haze too it. Is that an effect of the 4K? Serious question, not trying to bait anybody.
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As has already been explained many times. There was an issue with the capture that all people got from e3 of FM7 which makes the colours look all washed out.
From Gamersyde
They have since made available videos that give a true representation of what the games looks like and one of those vids are where I got my pics from. But bear in mind the pics I took are from pausing the vid and taking a pic off screen with my phone camera. So although they look a lot better than the shiz emula is trying to push they do not look as good as why I see with my owns eyes.
Here's the link to the vids http://gamersyde.com/news_forza_7_in_hdr_on_gamersyde_-19287_en.html
I implore anyone with a 4K HDR display to download them and enjoy FM7 in all it's glory. Do not believe the game looks like the pic emula posted because it doesn't look anything like that.
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Then post representative pictures of both games rather than the crap you are trying to pass off at the momentIt's obvious that on an hdr tv with hdr on it looks better than my pic without hdr.... even GTS on hdr tv with hdr on looks a lot better than that pic grabbed from you tube and without hdr......
I'm reading really absurd things
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@emula Just to even up your comparison and talk about shadows and over saturation.
So before you start nit picking about how one game shadows is bad, we should probably stop to realize that this is a problem both games are having. Not only that, but there is a lot of talk about bad shadow quality as well. Try keeping a level head, as like you said there is still time for both to make changes, so lets just see how it turns out instead of using it damn something.
Hell, even the saturation levels on both of these images look pretty good in comparison to each other.
Now onto your talk about over saturation, and how Forza is still doing too much in that department.
Look at this video, and tell me the same thing. Look at any video of FM7 and you'll notice that they look relatively similar given their own saturation levels. Then we even have people which point out the obvious
If that's not enough, lets look at these two instances that you seemed to ignore
Both of these coming from pre-release footage, so lets avoid the whole "well the games not out yet" and actually compare what we have. They are not very different.
So before you start nit picking about how one game shadows is bad, we should probably stop to realize that this is a problem both games are having. Not only that, but there is a lot of talk about bad shadow quality as well. Try keeping a level head, as like you said there is still time for both to make changes, so lets just see how it turns out instead of using it damn something.
Hell, even the saturation levels on both of these images look pretty good in comparison to each other.
Now onto your talk about over saturation, and how Forza is still doing too much in that department.
Look at this video, and tell me the same thing. Look at any video of FM7 and you'll notice that they look relatively similar given their own saturation levels. Then we even have people which point out the obvious
Whoa, what do you know, not over saturated, but Dull and flat? Now that's not exactly a positive but its very contradictory to what you're posting and pretending is happening.
If that's not enough, lets look at these two instances that you seemed to ignore
Both of these coming from pre-release footage, so lets avoid the whole "well the games not out yet" and actually compare what we have. They are not very different.
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How about try addressing the points that are being made, instead of still ignoring them.
-You point out shadows in Forza to bring it down, but you neglect to have any sort of comparison to GTS. There is your comparison, and it also has jaggies.
-You point at Forza because its way over-saturated, but looking at anything that is released from both games shows us that they appear to be on the same level, although GTS at this point looks to have gone into it more than Forza has.
You like GTS, we get it, but its very obvious that you're not coming to compare, your coming to flamebait.
I know that, that's why its being pointed out to you. You're the one that doesn't seem to know. Although, The problem stemmed from you, so I'm bringing it to your attention.
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@emula
The reason why you can't be taken seriously with your comparisions is that you always paint the competition in a negative light to favour GTS. I mean, you posted a still of an incredibly dark tunnel in FM6 to compare to a (most likely pre-rendered) scene inside a tunnel in the GTS trailer.
It's unfair, and takes away the whole point of comparing a game to another.
The reason why you can't be taken seriously with your comparisions is that you always paint the competition in a negative light to favour GTS. I mean, you posted a still of an incredibly dark tunnel in FM6 to compare to a (most likely pre-rendered) scene inside a tunnel in the GTS trailer.
It's unfair, and takes away the whole point of comparing a game to another.
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I don't understand all what you mean, my english is not at a great level, anyway
- Shadows have problems on both games... it was mrPetrus who accused only GTS to have problems with the shadows
- The cars on FM7 still looks like plastic to me, now there is not enough material to make a perfect comparison about this .... when the games will came out we can see it better
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It doesn't matter what @mrPetros said, it was you who brought it to this thread and tried to make it a negative for one game and not the other. Now that we have an even comparison now you're backpeddling as if you where stating that from the beginning, when you weren't.
If theres not enough material to make a comparison, and if that is your actual train of thought, than why did you come in with these horrible comparisons in the first place? GTS has had two things that are definitely better than the competition and that is lighting and materials, but that gap is slowly fading away. Both these games look beautiful, and if you're not going to like a game because a car is reflecting differently, than I'm not sure you were interested in a game in the first place. These are all relatively small things in the grand scheme of things, and GTS is not free from issues, but you seem to be fine making compromises with one rather than the other.
Is that just what you assume, or did you actually know that?Not pre rendered but from a maxed out pc version .... not a fair comparison
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Seems like the critics, or at least some of them, thought Forza 7 was the bees knees at E3:
Game Critics Award for Best Racing Game
Game Critics Award for Best Racing Game
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DF has the original clip and the colors are identical to GSY, the HDR has nothing to do with it.
https://www.digitalfoundry.net/2017-06-16-patreon-exclusive-9-minutes-of-forza-motorsport-7
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-forza-motorsport-7-xbox-one-x-true-4k-showcase
Personally I think it's just an effect to recreate the overcast sky and light, it's a pretty cheap effect and it's not the ultimate in realism, but the effect change multiple times during the video and can be seen that the HDR has nothing to do. Obviously with that activated every game or video that supports it will be seen and sources of light stand out.
The biggest guilty I think derives from the pre-baked lighting.
However, you all seem a group of lunatics at war with each other
Looks like 2010 situation all over again:tdown:Everyone will have his faults and preferences, but user who would like to post something occasionally I think it feels really discouraged and passes even the desire to enter into the thread.
It really requires more control and moderation, by the mods itself and even a lot of more self-control and impartiality by the users.
Personally as a user that almost exclusively lurking, but who likes the genre, discuss on technical aspects and post occasionally, the situation looks really ugly and it's a shame because there are some users who are serious and many times they post very interesting things. @Sojiira for example that I see that puts a lot of effort and certainly loses a lot of his free time to propose many interesting things:tup:
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When things devolve into these kind of situations, it usually stems from one user posting inconsistencies and falsehoods. If it wasn't for said person, comparisons would have went around finely and discussions would have continued on in a much better light. Comparison threads, or even discussing negative aspects of a game isn't for the light-hearted in any situation, and threads do get a long just fine, but like I said, all it takes is one to ruin it. The one isn't hard to spot out this time.However, you all seem a group of lunatics at war with each other
Everyone will have his faults and preferences, but user who would like to post something occasionally I think it feels really discouraged and passes even the desire to enter into the thread.
It really requires more control and moderation, by the mods itself and even a lot of more self-control and impartiality by the users.
And that's the type of people we need more of in threads like this. He posted a level comparison between a fair amount of games, without cherry picking a good photo of one game, and an absolutely horrendous photo of another. People deserve the attention they bring upon themselves.
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I mean, if you can't even tell the difference between an unedited image and a blatantly edited one, then either you are unqualified to be discussing these things, or you're deliberately cherry-picking your data. Judging by your history in this thread it seems like a mix of both, and playing the victim card as a defence to people calling out your false claims only makes your arguments look weak. Also, if there aren't suitable images from games to be compared, then there's really no point in trying to force a comparison, so don't be surprised when people call you out for that and then acting as if the world is against you."my friend" the colour of that car is way more accurate on GTS (especially with HDR on)
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Anyone that wanders into a "Vs." thread should know right off the top that they are entitled to their own opinions but not entitled to their own facts and that there is going to be some vigorous discourse on all sides. I see most members here willing to discuss facts in an objective way and I see others who simply want to say one game is better than the other because they like it more and then they cherry pick visual and other comparisons and present them as representative while and ignoring valid criticism of their comparisons. I've yet to see anyone post something objectively factual, or a personal opinion, and be vilified over it.However, you all seem a group of lunatics at war with each other
Everyone will have his faults and preferences, but user who would like to post something occasionally I think it feels really discouraged and passes even the desire to enter into the thread.
It really requires more control and moderation, by the mods itself and even a lot of more self-control and impartiality by the users.
Personally as a user that almost exclusively lurking, but who likes the genre, discuss on technical aspects and post occasionally, the situation looks really ugly and it's a shame because there are some users who are serious and many times they post very interesting things. @Sojiira for example that I see that puts a lot of effort and certainly loses a lot of his free time to propose many interesting things:tup:
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E3 prizes are the most useless thing that we can be, especially when they give prizes to games of the evolved caliber.Seems like the critics, or at least some of them, thought Forza 7 was the bees knees at E3:
Game Critics Award for Best Racing Game
It is, however, very fun to see how F7 is defending, also posting this kind of material that does not center anything on the topic
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