GT Sport vs Other Games: Comparison Video Thread

[ImaRobot]

E3 prizes are the most useless thing that we can be, especially when they give prizes to games of the evolve caliber.
It is, however, very fun to see how F7 is defending, also posting this kind of material that does not center anything on the topic

Oh no, probably not, but lets not fool ourselves, had this been GT this forum would have been blowing up. It means nothing to you because its not in the favor of something you like.

It centers on the topic about lots of things, especially because of how much people pretend that it's inferior in every way. Especially seeing how far some people go, even in this very thread to try to prove that.

 

[Johnnypenso]

E3 prizes are the most useless thing that we can be, especially when they give prizes to games of the evolved caliber.
It is, however, very fun to see how F7 is defending, also posting this kind of material that does not center anything on the topic

It's a vs. thread is it not? What's more vs. than winning awards?

 

[mrPetros]

new stuff on gts = new stuff to compare
I'll even make it more interesting by comparing replay gts to runtime online forza.

GTS beta Bathurst Race replay


Forza 6 Bathurst Online Race (not replay)

 

[emula]

I mean, if you can't even tell the difference between an unedited image and a blatantly edited one, then either you are unqualified to be discussing these things, or you're deliberately cherry-picking your data. Judging by your history in this thread it seems like a mix of both, and playing the victim card as a defence to people calling out your false claims only makes your arguments look weak. Also, if there aren't suitable images from games to be compared, then there's really no point in trying to force a comparison, so don't be surprised when people call you out for that and then acting as if the world is against you.

GT is world renowned for its super realistic color rendering.... now here a group or forza's fan write that GT looks like plastic and Forza have best colours.... and I'm the cherry-picker.... ok....

 

[danh25]

Oh no, probably not, but lets not fool ourselves, had this been GT this forum would have been blowing up. It means nothing to you because its not in the favor of something you like.

It centers on the topic about lots of things, especially because of how much people pretend that it's inferior in every way. Especially seeing how far some people go, even in this very thread to try to prove that.

I do not care if I like a game more than another, for me to post this kind of material, which does not center anything on the topic, it seems a bland attempt to counter the posts that we do not like with material that favors the other game, Even if it does not center anything with the comparison.
Then you are complaining a lot about post emula but I do not think the posts of reply to him are of different tone, indeed .... the post I listed one of the many examples.

PS: I, the E3 prizes, have always found a useless stuff because most of the times they reward games they would not even deserve to be considered and if you think that's saying this for F7 awards you guarantee that it is not so

 

[mrPetros]

GT is world renowned for its super realistic color rendering.... now here a group or forza's fan write that GT looks like plastic and Forza have best colours.... and I'm the cherry-picker.... ok....

do you have EYES? if yes, why dont you USE them to WATCH THE VIDEOS, instead of going by brain callus.

Yesterday I was pretty sure, in fact I vouched for you publicly, that I think you are not trolling us intentionally.
Well today, I'm not so certain anymore....!

 

[ImaRobot]

new stuff on gts = new stuff to compare
I'll even make it more interesting by comparing replay gts to runtime online forza.

GTS beta Bathurst Race replay


Forza 6 Bathurst Online Race (not replay)

It's funny how the interior is exhibiting the same choppy shadows as Forza. Care to take a look @emula?

GT is world renowned for its super realistic color rendering.... now here a group or forza's fan write that GT looks like plastic and Forza have best colours.... and I'm the cherry-picker.... ok....

So I guess that's acknowledging the fact that you are trying to showcase an edited image with horrible saturation to say it matches GTS' color pallete? I know its renowned for its modeling, and its lighting, and its materials, but care to show us where its been renowned for its colors?

Yes, you are the cherry picker. Nothing in your post right here has to do with forza fans cherry picking anything. One thing you're getting incorrect is by saying Forza fans. I know most people are fans of racing games.

Its still absolutely foolish that you'd go on this way, when there is little difference between the colors going on here. GTS has more saturation this time around

I do not care if I like a game more than another, for me to post this kind of material, which does not center anything on the topic, it seems a bland attempt to counter the posts that we do not like with material that favors the other game, Even if it does not center anything with the comparison.

Yes it does center on this topic. Its GTS vs other games, we can easily just find what awards "other games" won and post them here, it'll fit exactly into the context of GTS VS OTHER GAMES. Its a bland attempt to you because you do not care for the game, thats all.

Then you are complaining a lot about post emulates but I do not think the posts of reply to him are of different tone, indeed .... the post I listed one of the many examples.

The tone of the post in direction to @emula are because of the falsehoods and obviously cherry-picked photos to put into a comparison just to try to pretend one game is bad. If he would come in with facts than it would be fine, but hes not.

PS: I, the E3 prizes, have always found a useless stuff because most of the times they reward games they would not even deserve to be considered and if you think that's saying this for F7 awards you guarantee that it is not so

What guarantee? What are you even talking about. That's the thing, its a collective of people finding something in F7. You're one person that doesn't like something.

 

[danh25]

It's a vs. thread is it not? What's more vs. than winning awards?

Well we can see that physics have the cockade of prizes and how photorealistic they are about GTS

 

[ImaRobot]

Well we can see that physics have the cocards of prizes and how photorealistic they are about GTS

Again, what?

 

[Greek]

All that you see in the trailer is real-time graphics. Nothing is prerendered.

 

[danh25]

It's funny how the interior is exhibiting the same choppy shadows as Forza. Care to take a look @emula?


So I guess that's acknowledging the fact that you are trying to showcase an edited image with horrible saturation to say it matches GTS' color pallete? I know its renowned for its modeling, and its lighting, and its materials, but care to show us where its been renowned for its colors?

Yes, you are the cherry picker. Nothing in your post right here has to do with forza fans cherry picking anything. One thing you're getting incorrect is by saying Forza fans. I know most people are fans of racing games.

Its still absolutely foolish that you'd go on this way, when there is little difference between the colors going on here. GTS has more saturation this time around


Yes it does center on this topic. Its GTS vs other games, we can easily just find what awards "other games" won and post them here, it'll fit exactly into the context of GTS VS OTHER GAMES. Its a bland attempt to you because you do not care for the game, thats all.


The tone of the post in direction to @emula are because of the falsehoods and obviously cherry-picked photos to put into a comparison just to try to pretend one game is bad. If he would come in with facts than it would be fine, but hes not.


What guarantee? What are you even talking about. That's the thing, its a collective of people finding something in F7. You're one person that doesn't like something.

With these posts you seem to be defending F7 more than emula with GTS ... only an impression eh

 

[ImaRobot]

All that you see in the trailer is real-time graphics. Nothing is prerendered.

Ok, and that has to do with what?

While we're on the subject of that video, what is up with the interior dimming like crazy during certain sections of the track? The stack cluster even disappears, along with the whole interior. That seems odd.

With these posts you seem to be defending F7 more than emula with GTS ... i'm an impression eh

I'm here leveling it out and calling out his misinformation, lies, and inaccuracies that he has spread throughout the thread. He's not defending anything, he's blatantly attacking.

And again, what guarantee are you talking about?

 

[Johnnypenso]

Well we can see that physics have the cockade of prizes and how photorealistic they are about GTS

Errrm...what?

 

[Greek]

Ok, and that has to do with what?

(most likely pre-rendered) scene inside a tunnel in the GTS trailer

That scene in the tunnel is not a simple replay, it was a pre-rendered shot from one of the trailers.

 

[ImaRobot]

It is doing things that aren't possible in game from what we've seen yet. It's pre-rendered, meaning its not a live representation of the game and is touted up as much as it can to make it as pretty as it can. That is not happening within gameplay.

 

[FPV MIC]

new stuff on gts = new stuff to compare
I'll even make it more interesting by comparing replay gts to runtime online forza.

GTS beta Bathurst Race replay


Forza 6 Bathurst Online Race (not replay)

Having done a couple of laps on a ride day in a V8 Supercar at Winton a few years back, I was wondering if Forza 6 ever got called out on the terribly inaccurate supercar sound and the ridiculously slow downshift animation? I don't venture into that section (mainly AC and GT) so I'm legitimately interested to know if it cops the same flack over there as GT does.

 

[ImaRobot]

Having done a couple of laps on a ride day in a V8 Supercar at Winton a few years back, I was wondering if Forza 6 ever got called out on the terribly inaccurate supercar sound and the ridiculously slow downshift animation? I don't venture into that section (mainly AC and GT) so I'm legitimately interested to know if it cops the same flack over there as GT does.

If I remember correctly, the game got called out frequently for its wrong sounds with the supercar class, and it did constantly. Hell, they even addressed some of them I believe. It still does, too, for many vehicles.

Downshift animation, and cockpit animation in general still gets flack as well.

The thing is, here the Forza community is absolutely tiny, so if you want a gauge of actual complaints, I recommend checkout the official forums. Its a mess.

 

[marcvic]

So where exactly were lies proven?

 

[FPV MIC]

If I remember correctly, the game got called out frequently for its wrong sounds with the supercar class, and it did constantly. Hell, they even addressed some of them I believe. It still does, too, for many vehicles.

Downshift animation, and cockpit animation in general still gets flack as well.

The thing is, here the Forza community is absolutely tiny, so if you want a gauge of actual complaints, I recommend checkout the official forums. Its a mess.

Thanks.... and no thanks, I'll stay right away from the official Forza forums then

 

[Greek]

It is doing things that aren't possible in game from what we've seen yet. It's pre-rendered, meaning its not a live representation of the game and is touted up as much as it can to make it as pretty as it can. That is not happening within gameplay.

http://www.cgchannel.com/2010/10/cg-science-for-artists-part-1-real-time-and-offline-rendering/

 

[emula]

I'm here leveling it out and calling out his misinformation, lies, and inaccuracies that he has spread throughout the thread. He's not defending anything, he's blatantly attacking.

And again, what guarantee are you talking about?

how dare you?

 

[ImaRobot]

So where exactly were lies proven?

Because PD are so careful in reproduction of every detail of the tracks that they even reproduced all the graffiti at nurb.... turn10 instead invent the graffiti (and a lot of other details) because they are not so careful in the reproduction of the tracks.... in conclusion in FM the tracks are a mix of reality and turn10 fantasy

forza's over saturation of colour is still there....

"my friend" the colour of that car is way more accurate on GTS (especially with HDR on)

real

This one more so being that this is not a normal photo, it is edited. One he keeps ignoring after being told

the dark tunnel pic is from neogaf.... the scene inside the tunnel in GTS is a simple replay

Take your pick.

http://www.cgchannel.com/2010/10/cg-science-for-artists-part-1-real-time-and-offline-rendering/

Care to post what relevance this has to GTS?

how dare you?

Whats the question?

 

[TS050]

how dare you?

He's not wrong

 

[ImaRobot]

http://www.cgchannel.com/2010/10/cg-science-for-artists-part-1-real-time-and-offline-rendering/

It's funny that you post that, because after reading through it, it's obviously not going along with what you're claiming

Part 1: Real-Time and Offline Rendering
It’s good that we make a distinction between real-time and offline rendering. In my series, I’ll end up talking about both. Basically, in real-time rendering, the computer is producing all the images from 3D geometry, textures, etc. on the fly and displaying it to the user as fast as possible (hopefully above 30 frames a second). The user can interact with the 3D scene using a variety of input devices such as mouse/keyboard, gamepad, tablet, etc. You’ll find real-time graphics in everything from the iPhone to your computer and video game consoles. Your CG application viewport is using real-time rendering.

So this part is essentially meaning that because you can interact with it, likely meaning actually playing the game. That's real-time, which that trailer is not.

Offline rendering refers to anything where the frames are rendered to an image format, and the images are displayed later either as a still, or a sequence of images (e.g. 24 frames make up 1 second of pre-rendered video). Good examples of offline renderers are Mental Ray, VRay, RenderMan. Many of these software renderers make use of what’s known as a ‘raytracing’ algorithm. I’ll go into more detail about raytracing in due course.

So essentially, this is the cinematic aspect of games, where they are able to do much more than actual gameplay. This is what the GTS trailer with that tunnel shot.


Hey look, they even give us an example so we can sift through it and see if we catch it. Up to the 33 second mark is obviously offline, pre-rendered cinematic. You can tell because once the transition goes to real-time you can see the obvious downgrade happen.

Essentially, the trailer was not real-time, it was pre-rendered. Theres things happening within it that just aren't possible in actual game play so far. One thing to point out is headlight illumination.

 

[emula]

This one more so being that this is not a normal photo, it is edited. One he keeps ignoring after being told

Take your pick.


Care to post what relevance this has to GTS?


Whats the question?

you and your friends are obsessed by me because I took the liberty to make some critics to yours favourite game.... Fanboyism is a very bad thing

 

[ImaRobot]

you and your friends are obsessed by me because I took the liberty to make some criticism to yours favourite game....

The only thing you took the liberty with is being incorrect about many things.

Fanboyism is a very bad thing

Oh, the irony.

 

[titleguy1]

 

[stdcar]

This scene in the tunnel is a simple replay

 

[mrPetros]

Having done a couple of laps on a ride day in a V8 Supercar at Winton a few years back, I was wondering if Forza 6 ever got called out on the terribly inaccurate supercar sound and the ridiculously slow downshift animation? I don't venture into that section (mainly AC and GT) so I'm legitimately interested to know if it cops the same flack over there as GT does.

cheers!
a Q: "cops flack" means when someone gets yelled at without it being his job, right?
If yes, I dunno about that. But
in your opinion, is forza 6 sound the same quality as gt6 sound, so that it gets the same flack in the parts you goto?
Unless you mean gts sound, in which case, other than it not being ..spectacular, I think everyone agrees its a very much needed even if late improvement on gt.

 

[another_jakhole]

DF has the original clip and the colors are identical to GSY, the HDR has nothing to do with it.

https://www.digitalfoundry.net/2017-06-16-patreon-exclusive-9-minutes-of-forza-motorsport-7
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-forza-motorsport-7-xbox-one-x-true-4k-showcase

Personally I think it's just an effect to recreate the overcast sky and light, it's a pretty cheap effect and it's not the ultimate in realism, but the effect change multiple times during the video and can be seen that the HDR has nothing to do. Obviously with that activated every game or video that supports it will be seen and sources of light stand out.

The biggest guilty I think derives from the pre-baked lighting.


However, you all seem a group of lunatics at war with each other Looks like 2010 situation all over again:tdown:
Everyone will have his faults and preferences, but user who would like to post something occasionally I think it feels really discouraged and passes even the desire to enter into the thread.
It really requires more control and moderation, by the mods itself and even a lot of more self-control and impartiality by the users.

Personally as a user that almost exclusively lurking, but who likes the genre, discuss on technical aspects and post occasionally, the situation looks really ugly and it's a shame because there are some users who are serious and many times they post very interesting things. @Sojiira for example that I see that puts a lot of effort and certainly loses a lot of his free time to propose many interesting things:tup:

I agree. And I'll say one thing and I'm out. If the material used isn't from a reliable and a quality source, then what is the point in all these posts? That involves not citing sources, unfair / unequal comparisons, and biased comparisons. Everybody needs to be more reasonable and responsible for what they say and how they make comparisons. None of this finger pointing. Take a breath and hit refresh before someone has a breakdown.