GT Sport vs Other Games: Comparison Video Thread

[1241Penguin]

what point are you getting at?

The video demonstrates the problem with the tire model quite clearly, I think. GTS doesn't simulate the tires gaining traction like a real car would as the car accelerates, as would be indicated by the RPM dropping like in real life and in the other games. This problem doesn't exist only in Scaff's demonstration either; based on my brief experience with the game, and based on other videos I've watched, it's a persisting problem in the physics model.

Of course I'm no expert on the subject nor as knowledgable as Scaff is, who I'm sure can give a more elaborate explanation on the problem if somehow his video wasn't self-evident enough, but I can't help but comment on nonsensical complaints like how it's "the worst camera shot and worst driving in GTS I've ever seen" as if it had any merit on the discussion.

 

[KingFrog]

The video demonstrates the problem with the tire model quite clearly, I think. GTS doesn't simulate the tires gaining traction like a real car would as the car accelerates, as would be indicated by the RPM dropping like in real life and in the other games. This problem doesn't exist only in Scaff's demonstration either; based on my brief experience with the game, and based on other videos I've watched, it's a persisting problem in the physics model.

Of course I'm no expert on the subject nor as knowledgable as Scaff is, who I'm sure can give a more elaborate explanation on the problem if somehow his video wasn't self-evident enough, but I can't help but comment on nonsensical complaints like how it's "the worst camera shot and worst driving in GTS I've ever seen" as if it had any merit on the discussion.

I do feel GTS is odd when accelerating, as tires seem to have zero grip. Reminds me of My SA when its low on tranny fluid, it spins the wheels then BAM instant traction when the gear shifts . Im pretty sure GTS isn't simulating a late shifting automatic gearbox!

 

[ImaRobot]

Comparing a PC GAME TO A CONSOLE GAME

I don't think there's any difference from the One X to the PC.

 

[KingFrog]

I don't think there's any difference from the One X to the PC.

But there is a discernable difference from a PC to a PS4 Pro, or a PC to the Xbox One . Also, the One X is weaker than high-end PC's, Turn Ten hasn't optimized higher end PC's to take advantage of that extra processing power so, in that sense, you are 100% correct. I find it fair to compare a PS4 to a Xbox one since both are competing consoles, and both cost the same. But comparing an 800-1000$ rig to a 300$ console seems a bit, bias.

 

[1241Penguin]

I do feel GTS is odd when accelerating, as tires seem to have zero grip.

That's very much akin to my brief experience with GTS, and actually very much akin to GT5 and GT6 as well. Shame the physics model hasn't improved in this regard.

 

[Scaff]

Scaff, you didn't show the real car carried out on the road, only the rev meter shown in the video.

What kind of surface do you think it's being carried out on? A tabletop?

Hee's a picture of the road surface, taken on the same day, feel free to do a google reverse image search, you will find it 100% unique.

Or are you suggesting it's not my car and I didn't record it?

You are not using the same cars in game

Explained in the video, odd then that you missed that.

and GTS was done on a street not a track surface, something seems fishy.

All three in-game videos are done on street surfaces rather than tracks. To say otherwise means that you rather clearly have no experience with AC or PC, well either that or you are deliberately being missleading.

PC2 used Bannochbrae and was set to the same time of year and day as the real world footage as taken, which resulted in a 10 degrees Celsius ambient temp (not far off reality's 7 degrees), the closest match track surface wise to a standard sealed surface in the UK.

AC used the Scottish Highlands and was set to 10 degrees Celcius (the lowest it can go) and track surface was set to old (one up from the lowest grip level), again this is the closest match to a standard sealed surface in the UK.

So no AC and PC2 were not done on a dedicated track surface, far from it, so the only fishy thing here is your lack of knowledge of AC and PC2.

If you want to test & critique things on how they relate to perfect reality; you should make accurate comparisons, not only because they are Front wheel drive cars.

I am, you just don't like the end result and feel the need to insult others and make things up rather than acknowledge it.

Also that is absolutely the worst camera shot and worst driving in GTS I've ever seen

An interior cam is the worst camera shot and a standing start done in the exact way I did in reality is your issue with what happened in GTS?

I'm launching the car in the exact same way across all three titles and in reality, and yet you still manage to miss that and turn it into a personal insult!

That's masters level White Knighting, ignore the facts and head straight for distracting insults and personal attacks.

"My grandma could have driven it better than that".

Attempting to hide an insult in spoiler tags doesn't make the AUP go away.

what point are you getting at?

I don't like to speak for others, but at a guess I would say:

That you either didn't listen to the video or are deliberately choosing to misinterpret it.

You know like you did with the fact that all three in-game videos were shot on tracks based on normal road surfaces, in not listening (or reading) you also missed that the test was also biased in GTS' favour, as grip is a lot more plentiful at 20+ degrees than it is at 10 degrees and under (all Celsius).

 

[PzR Slim]

I just want to say , if you are going to take a picture of a texture, don't do it a sharp ANGLE. I took Both from the same track ( Mount panorama) on base PS4 hardware
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GTS has better textures than Forza on some tracks, but worst on others. Streets of willow is using the old PS3 textures for the track, but they did update the trackside textures .View attachment 692896

That being Said GTS and Forza both have bump map textures BUT Gts also has Parallax occlusion mapping, Forza.. NOPE .

From reading this thread, I can EASILY say both sides have done a piss poor job at representing a games graphics. From comparing tracks at different times of days. Comparing Photo mode to gameplay. Comparing a PC GAME TO A CONSOLE GAME. Comparing the PRo to the base Xbox. Seriously? Have you all forgotten how to OBJECTIVELY compare things? You don't compare textures at oblique angles, you can compare TEXTURE filtering, but not the textures themselves.

I took the three pics at a similar angle but the PC2 shot was the sharpest angle yet still looked much better. Not sure what the issue is with comparing like for like across all three games.

And finally found a lighting condition in FM7 that more closely resembles the GTS pic posted and I took it from the same position this time. Clearly GTS is superior but FM7 is not as bad as is being portrayed.

 

[emula]

Oh my, how quickly your memory fades. Remember this post? This was you failing to share that these shots were taken in the game on its lowest setting on the PC version. The highest setting was similar to that of the One X.

those screenshots comes from neogaf, from the user "dumb" that play FM7 on xbox one.... no pc

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=249523854&postcount=8056
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=249523392&postcount=8051
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=249632163&postcount=8085

 

[TS050]

I think it’s crazy how far some people are willing to go just to make their favourite game look superior to the competition.

Yes, GTS looks great. No, FM7 doesn’t look as bad as what you’ve made it look like. It’s been like this for months, you take a picture in GTS in the best possible conditions, then go to FM7 and take awful pictures that don’t show off the true beauty of the game, may that be by drastically zooming into the subject matter to make it look as though it’s made up of less polygons, or other stuff. It’s getting pretty boring, honestly.

 

[PzR Slim]

I think it’s crazy how far some people are willing to go just to make their favourite game look superior to the competition.

Yes, GTS looks great. No, FM7 doesn’t look as bad as what you’ve made it look like. It’s been like this for months, you take a picture in GTS in the best possible conditions, then go to FM7 and take awful pictures that don’t show off the true beauty of the game, may that be by drastically zooming into the subject matter to make it look as though it’s made up of less polygons, or other stuff. It’s getting pretty boring, honestly.

Agreed. And that's the whole reason for me posting here. I'll freely admit GTS is the better looking game but I just want to point out the sad length some people will go to.

 

[SDSPOWER01]

Clearly this comparisons thread is getting more frustrating then ever.
I come home from work to see some good comparisons video but instead you get someone keeping to point a completely horrendous pic about X game in comparison to make Y game look better. And then you dont want people to call you a cherry picker.

It is getting pretty annoying and I have one last thing to say.

If you go by lengths to search to show and make one game look bad by showing off the trees, cameraman model, crowds, picking lowest settings on the PC, zooming in to show off some bad LOD, why do get so freaking defensive (or even feel the need to defend) if they do the same for your favorite game while it shows other flaws? Do you see how unfair and pointless these comparisons have become or do you just live in denial?

Can you not acknowledge that despite the game looks more "superior" than others it also has it's flaws in some modeling aspects and agrees when someone points it out? Instead of going unto your PS4 PRO and show off another model of NOT the same car that has these issues?
Why can you not pick the same Subaru WRX and show off it's incredible modeling? And have you even try to zoom in to the models you posted to notice the NON perfect/heptagonal or whatever circles?

Can you see how "ridiculous" you have become in this thread with the likes of others who agrees with you by saying:
"Oh haha GTS kills -insert other title- with the graphics!" And then show off a a horrendous picture in comparison. Then what about physics and sound then, does it also "KILL" -insert other title- ??

 

[ImaRobot]

those screenshots comes from neogaf, from the user "dumb" that play FM7 on xbox one.... no pc

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=249523854&postcount=8056
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=249523392&postcount=8051
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=249632163&postcount=8085

Still doesn't take away from the fact that you tried passing them off as what is happening with the game. Your intention was obvious.

 

[CopperySinger]

What kind of surface do you think it's being carried out on? A tabletop?

Hee's a picture of the road surface, taken on the same day, feel free to do a google reverse image search, you will find it 100% unique.

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Or are you suggesting it's not my car and I didn't record it?

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Explained in the video, odd then that you missed that.


All three in-game videos are done on street surfaces rather than tracks. To say otherwise means that you rather clearly have no experience with AC or PC, well either that or you are deliberately being missleading.

PC2 used Bannochbrae and was set to the same time of year and day as the real world footage as taken, which resulted in a 10 degrees Celsius ambient temp (not far off reality's 7 degrees), the closest match track surface wise to a standard sealed surface in the UK.

AC used the Scottish Highlands and was set to 10 degrees Celcius (the lowest it can go) and track surface was set to old (one up from the lowest grip level), again this is the closest match to a standard sealed surface in the UK.

So no AC and PC2 were not done on a dedicated track surface, far from it, so the only fishy thing here is your lack of knowledge of AC and PC2.


I am, you just don't like the end result and feel the need to insult others and make things up rather than acknowledge it.



An interior cam is the worst camera shot and a standing start done in the exact way I did in reality is your issue with what happened in GTS?

I'm launching the car in the exact same way across all three titles and in reality, and yet you still manage to miss that and turn it into a personal insult!

That's masters level White Knighting, ignore the facts and head straight for distracting insults and personal attacks.


Attempting to hide an insult in spoiler tags doesn't make the AUP go away.


I don't like to speak for others, but at a guess I would say:

That you either didn't listen to the video or are deliberately choosing to misinterpret it.

You know like you did with the fact that all three in-game videos were shot on tracks based on normal road surfaces, in not listening (or reading) you also missed that the test was also biased in GTS' favour, as grip is a lot more plentiful at 20+ degrees than it is at 10 degrees and under (all Celsius).

Scaff, you responded to things I said and twisted it. I'm not making a issue of if it is or not your car. my issue is you didn't show driving it on the road like the game videos. That way we can notice how the real car tires respond to clutch dumping from a start. it seem you are hiding something here.



In recent post i've seen complaints that someone sabotage the opposing game in their comparisons by making it "look bad". so I see a similar situation with this video. If you want to call it nonsensical when I see some worst possible takes of GTS.... I'm cutting it short, this hypocritical stuff going on here is getting lame. It happens like a revolving door in this forum some one brings a bad take video/picture to mock GTS then "ha ha ha" it gets praised, but when someone comes in and mocks their game with a bad take compared to the superior GTS it's considered nonsense.


Physics?

I have talked on this point before.



GTS Is not a "sim only" "Hot lap" racer like AC And PCAR2. Those two games are similar because they have a narrow focus. Those 2 games focus on whatever it is the point you are trying to make. I play PCars2 as well and I do see that game having stern focus on the details in simulation; while at the same time never perfecting it. But that is where it ends and GTS takes over from there imo. Keep in mind, GTS reaches out to a much wider audience than those two sims, people racing from all different experience levels can get entertainment from GTS. It took me hours upon hours to get my wheel set up and get used to driving in project Cars but I know many people just can't get the hang of it. What Im trying to say here is I think PD can make a game like AC and PC but they chose to make a game suitable for all. GTS has physics and handling that most people can generally understand.

 

[SDSPOWER01]

I'm not making a issue of if it is or not your car. my issue is you didn't show driving it on the road like the game videos. That way we can notice how the real car tires respond to clutch dumping from a start. it seem you are hiding something here.

If you have payed close attention to the tachometer you would have noticed that AC and PC2 showed fairly similar results in comparisons to the IRL video while GTS showed a completely different result. And therefore you can notice something wrong in the tire modeling as @Scaff mentioned.
I do not believe it is that hard to understand actually.

 

[CopperySinger]

Clearly this comparisons thread is getting more frustrating then ever.
I come home from work to see some good comparisons video but instead you get someone keeping to point a completely horrendous pic about X game in comparison to make Y game look better. And then you dont want people to call you a cherry picker.

It is getting pretty annoying and I have one last thing to say.

If you go by lengths to search to show and make one game look bad by showing off the trees, cameraman model, crowds, picking lowest settings on the PC, zooming in to show off some bad LOD, why do get so freaking defensive (or even feel the need to defend) if they do the same for your favorite game while it shows other flaws? Do you see how unfair and pointless these comparisons have become or do you just live in denial?

Can you not acknowledge that despite the game looks more "superior" than others it also has it's flaws in some modeling aspects and agrees when someone points it out? Instead of going unto your PS4 PRO and show off another model of NOT the same car that has these issues?
Why can you not pick the same Subaru WRX and show off it's incredible modeling? And have you even try to zoom in to the models you posted to notice the NON perfect/heptagonal or whatever circles?

Can you see how "ridiculous" you have become in this thread with the likes of others who agrees with you by saying:
"Oh haha GTS kills -insert other title- with the graphics!" And then show off a a horrendous picture in comparison. Then what about physics and sound then, does it also "KILL" -insert other title- ??

If you really look at it though, the same thing is happening Vice-versa.

 

[Scaff]

Scaff, you responded to things I said and twisted it. I'm not making a issue of if it is or not your car. my issue is you didn't show driving it on the road like the game videos. That way we can notice how the real car tires respond to clutch dumping from a start. it seem you are hiding something here.

I've twisted nothing, you have accused me of being dishonest and missleading without a shred of evidence.

All you need in regard to how the car reacts to the clutch being dumped is in the video, the reaction of the engine to the release of the clutch.

In recent post i've seen complaints that someone sabotage the opposing game in their comparisons by making it "look bad". so I see a similar situation with this video. If you want to call it nonsensical when I see some worst possible takes of GTS.... I'm cutting it short, this hypocritical stuff going on here is getting lame. It happens like a revolving door in this forum some one brings a bad take video/picture to mock GTS then "ha ha ha" it gets praised, but when someone comes in and mocks their game with a bad take compared to the superior GTS it's considered nonsense.

I did exactly the same thing on all three titles and in reality, as such nothing underhand is happening here at all.

Now how about you address the missleading statement you made about the tracks used in PC2 and AC?

Or how about the digs and insults you resorted to?

Don't attempt to take a moral high ground while accusing members of lying without any evidence, and throwing around insults and abuse.

Or maybe you are unhappy that it shows what happens in reality and you can't just throw 'settings' around as if it's some kind of answer.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...hysics-production.365087/page-6#post-12042900

Physics?

I have talked on this point before.

Without context this makes no sense at all.

GTS Is not a "sim only" "Hot lap" racer like AC And PCAR2. Those two games are similar because they have a narrow focus. Those 2 games focus on whatever it is the point you are trying to make. I play PCars2 as well and I do see that game having more focus on the details; while at the same time never perfecting it. But that is where it ends and GTS takes over from there imo. Keep in mind, GTS reaches out to a much wider audience than those two sims, people racing from all different experience levels can get entertainment from GTS. It took me hours upon hours to get my wheel set up and get used to driving in project Cars but I know many people just can't get the hang of it. What Im trying to say here is I think PD can make a game like AC and PC but they chose to make a game suitable for all. GTS has physics and handling that most people can generally understand.

AC has its focus in hot lapping, PC2 doesn't. Oddly both have a bigger career than GTS.

That however is not the point, the point is that in this instance GTS does something that doesn't match reality, something that is a carry over from GT5 and 6.

If you have payed close attention to the tachometer you would have noticed that AC and PC2 showed fairly similar results in comparisons to the IRL video while GTS showed a completely different result. And therefore you can notice something wrong in the tire modeling as @Scaff mentioned.
I do not believe it is that hard to understand actually.

It is if it doesn't confirm your bias.

 

[ImaRobot]

GTS Is not a "sim only" "Hot lap" racer like AC And PCAR2. Those two games are similar because they have a narrow focus.

You're saying this with an honest face? It's like you haven't even played some of the games you yourself are comparing. The aim that PD has with GTS very much resembles and has a lot of similarities to the way that Project Cars is set up.

 

[CopperySinger]

If you have payed close attention to the tachometer you would have noticed that AC and PC2 showed fairly similar results in comparisons to the IRL video while GTS showed a completely different result. And therefore you can notice something wrong in the tire modeling as @Scaff mentioned.
I do not believe it is that hard to understand actually.

okay I get that. but do you think GTS is trying to portray the same thing as AC and PCars2? I don't think so.

For physics I look at these games on a spectrum

(Arcade) Mario kart--Need for speed--TDU2--Horizon 3--Drive Club--Forza M--Gran Turismo--Project Cars/Assetto Corsa (Simulator)

The place each game sits on this spectrum doesn't make it a better or worse game. but my personal "Current" favorites
are in this order I like the best of both arcade and simulator

Forza 6
Forza Horizon 3
GTS
PCars2

I don't really play much of Forza 6 and horizon 3 now because I already put in like a billion hours already, but the connection to Scaff's video is understanding the differences in these games when we compare physics.

 

[ImaRobot]

okay I get that. but do you think GTS is trying to portray the same thing as AC and PCars2?

Yes, Reality.

 

[CopperySinger]

I've twisted nothing, you have accused me of being dishonest and missleading without a shred of evidence.

All you need in regard to how the car reacts to the clutch being dumped is in the video, the reaction of the engine to the release of the clutch.



I did exactly the same thing on all three titles and in reality, as such nothing underhand is happening here at all.

Now how about you address the missleading statement you made about the tracks used in PC2 and AC?

Or how about the digs and insults you resorted to?

Don't attempt to take a moral high ground while accusing members of lying without any evidence, and throwing around insults and abuse.

Or maybe you are unhappy that it shows what happens in reality and you can't just throw 'settings' around as if it's some kind of answer.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...hysics-production.365087/page-6#post-12042900


Without context this makes no sense at all.



AC has its focus in hot lapping, PC2 doesn't. Oddly both have a bigger career than GTS.

That however is not the point, the point is that in this instance GTS does something that doesn't match reality, something that is a carry over from GT5 and 6.


It is if it doesn't confirm your bias.

I believe lying would be a bit too far to call it, more like stretching the truth. You see, GTS is not portraying the exact same concept as AC and PC you make it seem like it does or failed at trying to be like.

 

[SDSPOWER01]

okay I get that. but do you think GTS is trying to portray the same thing as AC and PCars2?

What does "the real driving simulator" tells you?

Yes, Reality.

^ You heard 'em

I believe lying would be a bit too far to call it, more like stretching the truth. You see, GTS is not portraying the exact same concept as AC and PC you make it seem like it does or failed at trying to be like.

The only difference is the focus on the crowd, but the concept is pretty much the same as all the other simulators "trying to replicate reality as close as possible" but it stands short in many areas that others excels in.
Just because they do not replicate as accurately as possible "reality" does not automatically means that the concept is different. Otherwise the tag " REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR" would have been removed if the concept HAS changed. (The semi-real fun simulator).

 

[Scaff]

I believe lying would be a bit too far to call it, more like stretching the truth.

How exactly have I done that?

I've not set any of the three up in any way at all in the video, I've presented reality and then done the same thing in three titles and looked to see how they compare.

You see, GTS is not portraying the exact same concept as AC and PC you make it seem like it does or failed at trying to be like.

All three are presented as sim, as such looking at what degree of fidelity they manage to do so is a perfectly valid thing to do.

Now please explain exactly why you responded to the video with abuse, insults and missleading claims about the two titles that aren't called Gran Turismo.

 

[CopperySinger]

What does "the real driving simulator" tells you?
^ You heard 'em

The only difference is the focus on the crowd, but the concept is pretty much the same as all the other simulators "trying to replicate reality as close as possible" but it stands short in many areas that others excels in.
Just because they do not replicate as accurately as possible "reality" does not automatically means that the concept is different. Otherwise the tag " REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR" would have been removed if the concept HAS changed. (The semi-real fun simulator).

That is very interesting "The Real Driving Simulator" now since the new PC and AC came in does it make them named the "Real Driving simulator" too?!? I don't think so because it's probably a copyright GT hit it first. Could they call themselves "The Close as possible to real life real Driving Simulators" maybe lol.

 

[emula]

Clearly this comparisons thread is getting more frustrating then ever.
I come home from work to see some good comparisons video but instead you get someone keeping to point a completely horrendous pic about X game in comparison to make Y game look better. And then you dont want people to call you a cherry picker.

It is getting pretty annoying and I have one last thing to say.

If you go by lengths to search to show and make one game look bad by showing off the trees, cameraman model, crowds, picking lowest settings on the PC, zooming in to show off some bad LOD, why do get so freaking defensive (or even feel the need to defend) if they do the same for your favorite game while it shows other flaws? Do you see how unfair and pointless these comparisons have become or do you just live in denial?

Can you not acknowledge that despite the game looks more "superior" than others it also has it's flaws in some modeling aspects and agrees when someone points it out? Instead of going unto your PS4 PRO and show off another model of NOT the same car that has these issues?
Why can you not pick the same Subaru WRX and show off it's incredible modeling? And have you even try to zoom in to the models you posted to notice the NON perfect/heptagonal or whatever circles?

Can you see how "ridiculous" you have become in this thread with the likes of others who agrees with you by saying:
"Oh haha GTS kills -insert other title- with the graphics!" And then show off a a horrendous picture in comparison. Then what about physics and sound then, does it also "KILL" -insert other title- ??

when GTS wins a comparison the thread is annoyng, who made the comparison is a fanboy, the FM images are fake....

when FM7 wins a comparison the thread is amusing, who made the comparison is a fair user, the GTS images are absolutely honest....

this thread is amazing

 

[marcvic]

Standing starts are difficult in GTS. I really have to work hard on a good start, especially when trying to gold those campaign tests.

@Scaff - nice V40 and love the color 👍

 

[bdj57]

Well. to sums up actually there is variety of choices you had for racing games tbh. Want some serious racing with lifelike physics you could have RaceRoom, I Racing, PC, AC etc. Want some racing but also want collecting cars you had Forza and older GT. Want something inbetween you could have GTS. Or other bunch of racing titles.

Tbh, I don't get the fuss is all about since all of us here have our own preferences and taste on racing games. "Defend your game till death" however isn't the purpose of this thread imo. That's what I felt a bit annoying here. Just give some clear evidence of your favorite game and compare it with other game and let us discuss it responsibly and thoughtfully. How hard is it to understand that?

A bit off topic but @Scaff nice Volvo you have there. Love the Polestar blue 👍

 

[ImaRobot]

when GTS wins a comparison the thread is annoyng, who made the comparison is a fanboy, the FM images are fake.... etc etc

when FM7 wins a comparison the thread is amusing, who made the comparison is a fair user, the GTS images are absolutely honest.... etc etc

this thread is amazing

*When you make up things to try to validate a ridiculous point.*

Tbh, I don't get the fuss is all about since all of us here have our own preferences and taste on racing games. "Defend your game till death" however isn't the purpose of this thread imo.

To be honest, there would be no need for defending if it wasn't for unnecessary, ridiculous, unfounded, attacks. This thread follows the trend of someone attacking, usually with falsehoods, and others coming in to straighten out the claims that are put forth.

 

[McLaren]

those screenshots comes from neogaf, from the user "dumb" that play FM7 on xbox one.... no pc

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=249523854&postcount=8056
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=249523392&postcount=8051
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=249632163&postcount=8085

This was already proven false by another member in the Forza section of this site and that the member over there had an agenda. Much like yourself.

Ignoring the GT fanboy part, they definitely seem cherry picked. Even the player's car is low LOD on the last shot you quoted. I don't see the point of criticising model quality when you have it turned down, so here are some full detail shots at similar angles.

And here's how the AI's GT3 RS really looks:

On PC max settings, the nearby AI cars are the equivalent of how the player's car looks on Xbox One.

when FM7 wins a comparison the thread is annoyng, who made the comparison is a fanboy, the GT images are fake.... etc etc

when GTS wins a comparison the thread is amusing, who made the comparison is a fair user, the FM7 images are absolutely honest.... etc etc

this is how I respond to everyone

Oh lord, your posts are far too easy to fix and poke holes into.

 

[SDSPOWER01]

When GTS wins a comparison the thread is annoying, who made the comparison is a fanboy, the FM images are fake.... etc etc

When FM7 wins a comparison the thread is amusing, who made the comparison is a fair user, the GTS images are absolutely honest.... etc etc

this thread is amazing

It is within the AUP that abreviations such as enz and etc are not allowed and you simply do not start a sentence with a small letter.

Going back into what you said do you honestly believe that you have set fair comparisons? All I have seen in your previous post is that you post an image of an issue of Forza (while the game itself in it's whole does not look close to how bad you portray it) in comparison to a good looking GTS.
I get it trees, crowds and other trackside details may be downgraded (despite on which platform the comparison is being done) to compensate for the locked 60 FPS. But in GTS the models themselves have some LOD downgrades (again despite the platform difference) to compensate for a fairly locked 60 FPS. But you continue to deny it has issues by trying to post models of other cars (and not the same car) that has a fairly higher LOD and also the fact it is coming right out of the PS4 PRO. You compare images out of a Xbox one (s) in comparison to your PS4 PRO but denies when Forza is clearly shown sharper or better on a much powerfull platform by saying stuff like it is not a fair comparison. That is what makes you a giant hypocrite!

In the end GT SPORT does not destroy any game graphically in-game despite it has shown better lighting, shading and material modeling it is only slightly more "pretty" and realistic looking in comparison but by a really small bit!
But here you are continueing to show bad models of other stuff about another game to show how much "superior" GTS is.

 

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It is within the AUP that abreviations such as enz and etc are not allowed and you simply do not start a sentence with a small letter.

Going back into what you said do you honestly believe that you have set fair comparisons? All I have seen in your previous post is that you post an image of an issue of Forza (while the game itself in it's whole does not look close to how bad you portray it) in comparison to a good looking GTS.
I get it trees, crowds and other trackside details may be downgraded (despite on which platform the comparison is being done) to compensate for the locked 60 FPS. But in GTS the models themselves have some LOD downgrades (again despite the platform difference) to compensate for a fairly locked 60 FPS. But you continue to deny it has issues by trying to post models of other cars (and not the same car) that has a fairly higher LOD and also the fact it is coming right out of the PS4 PRO. You compare images out of a Xbox one (s) in comparison to your PS4 PRO but denies when Forza is clearly shown sharper or better on a much powerfull platform by saying stuff like it is not a fair comparison. That is what makes you a giant hypocrite!

In the end GT SPORT does not destroy any game graphically in-game despite it has shown better lighting, shading and material modeling it is only slightly more "pretty" and realistic looking in comparison but by a really small bit!
But here you are continueing to show bad models of other stuff about another game to show how much "superior" GTS is.

according to digital foundry GTS looks better than FM7 maxed out on PC.... all the rest that I can see here is a lot of frustration every time that a comparison confims this fact