GT4, Too Hard?

[Rotary Junkie]

Most likely.

Unless they're in GT-class racecars. Those things stick. Of course, they'll still say that it's too easy to spin out...

No, I thought I could apply 1800 ft-lbs of torque to each rear tire (including gear multiplication) and have it stick like glue and not spin the tires. (450 ft-lbs of torque is reasonable for an FIA GT class car, isn't it? If not pessimistic.)

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

So GT5 is much more harder to control? Sounds like fun with a good ol' V8 in a 1960's Coupe.

 

[Wolfe]

So GT5 is much more harder to control? Sounds like fun with a good ol' V8 in a 1960's Coupe.

I really couldn't tell you myself, but I can tell you that it depends on what kind of driving you want to do. Racing will probably be more difficult, while drifting/goofing off will probably be easier.

Based on your reference to a classic V8 car, I take it you're looking forward to the latter -- BreakerOhio posted a video in the GT5 forum that may be relevant to your interests. That 350Z is bone stock, too.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Nah, I'm into proper racing- but drifting in real life is fun to watch (proper tournaments). So racing my big V8 will be harder then.

 

[Road Rash]

I've talked to many "Real" Gamers (Those who specialize in RPGs, Platformers, First-Person-shooters, etc.) about this issue, and the one answer I get every time?

License. Tests.

Why? well, to run certian races, you need a certian license. Which wouldn't be a problem, if the tests weren't so difficult for the typical button-masher to master!!! even such gamers as "Gamemaster" Anthony Bault, (someone who beat Sonic 2 at a demo station in a store) tend to shy away from the subject. and alot of it's finesse; the license tests are more difficult than many of the actual races! Why? you have to run with that same car everyone else does, with all of it's glaring flaws, unlike in the main game, where you can drive pretty much what you want.

I imagine a few people have picked up a copy of GT3 or GT4, and ended up never playing it, as they never really got "Good" at it, their skill set being more oriented towards pushing buttons in quick succession and moving analog joysticks in a skilled and precise fashion. (something I never got the hang of.)

My younger brother is shaping up to be one of these guys. He's beaten Kingdom Hearts II in about a month's time. still terrible at GT. Right now, MMORPGs are getting pretty big: you see them in about every crime drama or sitcom nowadays. Hell, there was a Toyota Tacoma commercial not to long ago about that subject.

It's just a different skill set.

I'm one of those who suck and your normal every day video games. I've never been able to grasp the button smashing and stick twirling of Jak and Daxter,. Mario BGros and the like. But give me a good racing game and a steering wheel controller and I'll play all night!!

 

[Megasoft Office]

If I ever needed to comment on Turismo 4, it's that the game is inconsistent with regards to its target audience and execusion.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

How so? It's a perfect example to car enthusiasts.

 

[Turbo Lag]

I wouldnt say GT4 is too hard. I must admit, a handful of races (5~) were challenging, but the licenses are far too easy. Ive somehow managed Gold on nearly all the B and A licenses. I remember in GT2 I stuggled to achieve a mere Bronze, although I was about 6

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Yeah I remember in GT3 licenses were hard for me, back when I was crap. Now I have gold in all the licenses of GT4 except some Super Licenese tests where I have silver. GT4 would be hard for someone who is playing it for the first time and doesn't use driving aids. Use driving aids for a week or so, get used to the game- then turn them off.

 

[Famine]

GT4 = too easy, too short.

It's as easy and short as you make it.

My files show that I spent an entire week just doing the races. And that's an entire week of GT4 - 168 hours of it. Though admittedly spread over a couple of months. That doesn't include the licence tests or Mission Hall.

If you put "appropriate" cars into races, it can be quite a tough ride - like daan's recent excursion in the Nuerburgring 4 hour race. It can get tougher yet if you put "inappropriate" cars into races (GTWC in a Motul Pitwork Z anyone?). Or... you could F1 and B-Spec the whole schmear and be done with it in a literal thrice. Since of course that's fun.

the vehicle requirements for most races are too lenient.

Quite.

 

[evantri]

GT4 was too short???

Do you think three of 24 hour endurances are not enough?

Oh, how about the Motegi 8 hour or Tsukuba 9 hour?

It may be too short for a crazy gamer, but in general I think it is not really short nor really long...

It's a bit easy because you don't get any real punishment for cheating (except in special conditions), like bumping the AI cars off the track, wall riding etc.

However, a game is still a game

Any developers can try to develop a driving simulator to be as realistic as they can, but it will be practically impossible (at least until now) for any games (including any GT series in the future) to be 100% realistic

 

[Megasoft Office]

The game is only short if you just pop the disc in and B-spec everything to hell.

 

[Open Addict]

GT4 = too easy, too short. The AI is terrible, the gold requirements of the license tests are far too easy and the vehicle requirements for most races are too lenient.

only too easy or too short if you take a fully overpowered car and get 1 A-spec point per race because you beat the ai by 15 laps or more. (how about a minolta on the 24hr nurb MOV 40 laps or something) or possibly use B-spec to do everything you can with it.

gold license tests are only easy if your the stig. (or michael schumacher, or ayrton senna reincarnate)

how ever requirements are definatley too lenient. i mean take for example the minolta at nurb 24h. what a joke.

HOWEVER it is up to YOU to make the game harder if YOU want. try to go for max points and see how hard, and how long, that is.

 

[GT Pro]

only too easy or too short if you take a fully overpowered car and get 1 A-spec point per race because you beat the ai by 15 laps or more. (how about a minolta on the 24hr nurb MOV 40 laps or something) or possibly use B-spec to do everything you can with it.

I never use B-spec, nor use overpowered vehicles.

gold license tests are only easy if your the stig. (or michael schumacher, or ayrton senna reincarnate)

I know many fellow top-class GT players who would beg to differ, including Dan (Holl01) (who doesn't seem to be human anyway).

HOWEVER it is up to YOU to make the game harder if YOU want. try to go for max points and see how hard, and how long, that is.

I am, I currently have up to 90,000 A-spec points as is and the final 10,000 (I'll finish mine, as many do, at 100,000) isn't far off. Sorry, but even going for 'max points' is fairly easy.

 

[01GTP]

I know many fellow top-class GT players who would beg to differ, including Dan (Holl01) (who doesn't seem to be human anyway).
I'm sure that Holl01 is one of the fastest guys out there. The WRS has proved that. When I got the game a year ago (have gt3 also) I did the licenses with mostly Bronze and some Silver results. I have since gotten a dfp in my own setup and joined the WRS. The series has made my track memory and driving much better so I'm doing the licenses over, but only Gold. To me some are easier than others, but have still spent a lot of time doing them. To those of the alien nation (real fast guys) it is just easier for them. Before I lost my gt4 data I was only at about 35%. I usually played gt4 about 4 hours a week, max. Now I use the game disk mainly for the WRS and drive about 6-10 hours per week. I lan race Sunday mornings with my buddies also. To me the game is somewhat hard and certainly not too short.

 

[Turbo Lag]

Yeah I remember in GT3 licenses were hard for me, back when I was crap. Now I have gold in all the licenses of GT4 except some Super Licenese tests where I have silver. GT4 would be hard for someone who is playing it for the first time and doesn't use driving aids. Use driving aids for a week or so, get used to the game- then turn them off.

Yeh, today I was just messing around in GT:C, and I realized I hadnt even earned a Bronze for some races I got most of them gold, with my DF which Im usually not so good at

 

[4DSC]

wow, some of you guys have too much time on your hands

 

[Tornado]

How so? It's a perfect example to car enthusiasts.

Depends on what you mean by car enthusiasts. There are different types.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Well by car enthusiasts I mean car enthusiasts. A ricer type person is not a car enthusiast- they're just following a fad.

 

[Tornado]

Well by car enthusiasts I mean car enthusiasts.

That doesn't mean anything at all. A car enthusiast can be someone who likes car design, likes racing cars, likes building cars or likes fixing cars. GT4 is only really good at appealing to certain types of car enthusiasts. Not all of them.

A ricer type person is not a car enthusiast- they're just following a fad.

And that is patently false.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

That doesn't mean anything at all. A car enthusiast can be someone who likes car design, likes racing cars, likes building cars or likes fixing cars. GT4 is only really good at appealing to certain types of car enthusiasts. Not all of them.


And that is patently false.

Correction, that is patently true. A car enthusiast can like Japanese cars by all means- but chucking huge wings on that barely even function, rediculous body kits and huge exhaust tips is not a car enthusiast- they are a ricer/tuner and are just following a fad. As for different kinds of car enthusiasts- generally a car enthusiast would like all those things- except maybe fixing cars. That's called a mechanic

 

[Tornado]

Correction, that is patently true. A car enthusiast can like Japanese cars by all means- but chucking huge wings on that barely even function, rediculous body kits and huge exhaust tips is not a car enthusiast- they are a ricer/tuner and are just following a fad.

So, what you are saying is they aren't enthusiasts because you don't like what they do. Which is totally incorrect. Or may I introduce a whole bunch of American/European car fads that are exactly the same, yet apparently to you are made up of enthusiasts?

As for different kinds of car enthusiasts- generally a car enthusiast would like all those things- except maybe fixing cars. That's called a mechanic

And? GT4 still only really appeals to a certain type of car enthusiast. I doubt it appeals terribly much to the guy who races cars, or the guy who tunes/builds cars, or the guy who likes car design. Above all, GT4 is great for the people who like a lot of cars.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

So, what you are saying is they aren't enthusiasts because you don't like what they do. Which is totally incorrect. Or may I introduce a whole bunch of American/European car fads that are exactly the same, yet apparently to you are made up of enthusiasts?


And? GT4 still only really appeals to a certain type of car enthusiast. I doubt it appeals terribly much to the guy who races cars, or the guy who tunes/builds cars, or the guy who likes car design. Above all, GT4 is great for the people who like a lot of cars.

Fine suit yourself, you live in your little fantasy world and be blinded to the truth. And may I ask what it is that you do in GT4. Because I race cars, I tune them, I admire their design, the only thing I don't do is build them.

 

[Tornado]

Fine suit yourself, you live in your little fantasy world and be blinded to the truth.

Coming from someone who said ricers aren't car enthusiasts just because they are ricers.

Because I race cars, I tune them, I admire their design, the only thing I don't do is build them.

To which I can rattle off a bunch of games that do each individual thing far better (in order, Live For Speed, NFS: Underground 2, any game that allows car customization and any game that allows car customization). And since you seem to have completely forgotten what my original point actually was (that it isn't the best game full stop for every kind of car enthusiast), I'd say there is little hope of explaining anything else to you anyway. Especially since you are now starting to come off as one of those "GT4 is the best ever or I'll cut you" types.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Realistic tuning rules out any NFS game, realistic racing rules out many others. I haven't played Live For Speed so I don't know what that is. But I can see your point, in the midst of the new NFS Pro Street game having such crappy physics and masking the other good aspects of the game I forgot that I myself used to say- "If you want a game for visual customisation and crazy fun street racing- go NFS, if you want a realistic game that has realistic (enough) racing with car tuning and proper racing tracks- you go Gran Turismo- and if you want to have balls of fun in a car related game in a totally unrealistic way- go Midnight Club."

If you're willing to agree that ricers are a very different kind of car enthusiast to say someone who leaves a car looking relatively stock/ only fits better factory body kits (eg. Holden Commodore with HSV body kits) and simply tunes the engine then I will agree that ricers are a "form" of car enthusiasts.

 

[Icanhazaccount?]

Gran Turismo in my view is meant to be a simulator. Therefore, it should be as hard as real life. However, this does lose them customers. Many people complain that it is too hard and they either choose not to buy it or throw it aside. Many of my friends are examples of this

 

[4DSC]

I agree with both Holden and Tornado, but I think it depends on what angle your looking at the issue from. We normally think of a car enthusiast as someone who appreciates many different types of cars(including their own) and things that come with the cool world of cars such as the pro racing scene, tuning, shows, etc.. Thats me anyway, and I consider myself a true car enthusiast. Theres very little cars I dislike, and its for a very good reason. But then again, these so called 'ricer' types only meddle with one type of car and hang with the people exactly like them. I knew a few of these 'Honda guys' from tech school, and to them their cars were more of a way of showing off rather then actually appreciating the car. The more stares they get, and the more custom something is, the more pleasure they get. And they don't care of any other cars, is whats funny. One of them told me "I don't care about Ferraris because I know I will never afford it, and you cant customize it".. Now honestly, can somebody like that be called a true car enthusiast?? These are the same people who know squat about the physics of driving and continue to play these arcade racing style games like NFS, and don't care for anything else. Thats not a car enthusiast in my book. Then again, technically they are a car enthusiast because they spend much of their time with and around cars. So I understand where Holden is coming from, but Tornado makes perfect sense too. Depands on how you look at it. GT4 is cool cause it has cars from all over the world and real life tracks. A game for a true enthusiast in my opinion. When I do a burn out with an Integra in NFS: Underground and I see the rear wheels smoking up, it gets old telling myself that the car got a RWD swap

Good read on what a car enthusiast is.. I laughed when I compared it to myself haha http://hobbies.expertvillage.com/experts/definition-car-enthusiast.htm

Gran Turismo in my view is meant to be a simulator. Therefore, it should be as hard as real life. However, this does lose them customers. Many people complain that it is too hard and they either choose not to buy it or throw it aside. Many of my friends are examples of this

Very true. Me and my friends can't have a competative match up since the game takes so long to get use to, and Im still improving after many years of playing.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I used to be part of the 'GT4 is the best or I'll slit your throat' group as well; That is, until I met PC racing games. Of course, to run them on full graphics, you DO need a nice comp, but getting away with minimum graphics is easy to do.

GT Legends, GTR, GTR2, rFactor, and Live For Speed each do something better than GT. GTL, R, and R2 have an advantage in physics, as well as the racing side of things. rFactor takes the same engine of those, (or very close to it) makes it very easy to mod, along with allowing upgrades (but those must be coded into the mod); It's one of the best racing games out there; only to my knowledge being beaten by LFS in car physics.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I agree with both Holden and Tornado, but I think it depends on what angle your looking at the issue from. We normally think of a car enthusiast as someone who appreciates many different types of cars(including their own) and things that come with the cool world of cars such as the pro racing scene, tuning, shows, etc.. Thats me anyway, and I consider myself a true car enthusiast. Theres very little cars I dislike, and its for a very good reason. But then again, these so called 'ricer' types only meddle with one type of car and hang with the people exactly like them. I knew a few of these 'Honda guys' from tech school, and to them their cars were more of a way of showing off rather then actually appreciating the car. The more stares they get, and the more custom something is, the more pleasure they get. And they don't care of any other cars, is whats funny. One of them told me "I don't care about Ferraris because I know I will never afford it, and you cant customize it".. Now honestly, can somebody like that be called a true car enthusiast?? These are the same people who know squat about the physics of driving and continue to play these arcade racing style games like NFS, and don't care for anything else. Thats not a car enthusiast in my book. Then again, technically they are a car enthusiast because they spend much of their time with and around cars. So I understand where Holden is coming from, but Tornado makes perfect sense too. Depands on how you look at it. GT4 is cool cause it has cars from all over the world and real life tracks. A game for a true enthusiast in my opinion. When I do a burn out with an Integra in NFS: Underground and I see the rear wheels smoking up, it gets old telling myself that the car got a RWD swap

Good read on what a car enthusiast is.. I laughed when I compared it to myself haha http://hobbies.expertvillage.com/experts/definition-car-enthusiast.htm



Very true. Me and my friends can't have a competative match up since the game takes so long to get use to, and Im still improving after many years of playing.

Agreed, that's the kind of car enthisiast I am (what you call a true enthusiast). I like many cars, including some Japanese cars but once somebody rices them up, it's obvious how the guy feels about his car. He doesn't have much respect for the original car designers and as you said- doesn't seem to care much about anything else. A few mods are OK- but go too far with individual parts and I can't appreciate that too well.

 

[Wolfe]

If you like cars -- ie. are enthusiastic for them -- you're a car enthusiast. Full stop.

Ricers like cars. Drag strip junkies like cars. Autocrossers like cars. Rich exotic owners who let their collection sit indoors 24/7 and know nothing about driving or doing mechanical work like cars.

You can argue all you want about what a "true" car enthusiast is, but the above is still true.