GT4 vs Forza [Let the battle begin]

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kinigitt
now you're showing your ugly side.

the damage isn't perfect. Granted. It's still much better than the dizzy-effects in GT4, so you really can't bad-mouth it by calling it junk. People still cling to the STUPID (yes, I said STUPID) belief that KY is a perfectionist and that everything in GT has the personal benediction of christ himself. GT4 has major flaws, so does everything. But since it's the benchmark, people put down any other games that try to close in on it, like it's a goddamn loyalty to one's country. I'm sick of it.
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I'm not defending GT4. I'm speaking specifically of what I saw in the video. The crashes were NOT realistic. Period. I'm bad mouthing what I saw in the video. Not some speculation, so that's far right?

GT4 has major flaws and yes and KY is very far from being a god. No argument here. What got me upset about the comparision was the one sided presentation. I mean they say you can drive this super car in Forza, but you drive a little econobox in GT. Like there are no cars in GT that can hang with Ferraris and Porches. That's just plain bad delivery.

BTW, the LS2 and LS1 are very different engines with completly different powerbands and other specs. So why would they sound the same? Yes, GT3 had pretty bad sounds in general.
 
Swift
I'm not defending GT4. I'm speaking specifically of what I saw in the video. The crashes were NOT realistic. Period. I'm bad mouthing what I saw in the video. Not some speculation, so that's far right?

GT4 has major flaws and yes and KY is very far from being a god. No argument here. What got me upset about the comparision was the one sided presentation. I mean they say you can drive this super car in Forza, but you drive a little econobox in GT. Like there are no cars in GT that can hang with Ferraris and Porches. That's just plain bad delivery.
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the video was stupid. it's making everybody angry. never mention that stupid video again.
 
kinigitt
the video was stupid. it's making everybody angry. never mention that stupid video again.
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What wasn't I supposed to mention again? :sly:
 
if we could all just reach the following conclusions, the world would be a happier place.

Gran Turismo is good. Forza will most likely be good. Enthusia will most likely be good. Graphics don't make a game, online play doesn't make a game, and bad screenshots don't make a bad game.
 
kinigitt
if we could all just reach the following conclusions, the world would be a happier place.

Gran Turismo is good. Forza will most likely be good. Enthusia will most likely be good. Graphics don't make a game, online play doesn't make a game, and bad screenshots don't make a bad game.
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yes to all 6. But it's fun to talk about the gray areas in between.
 
kinigitt
sometimes it's almost as fun as stapling my man-parts to my inner thigh!
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:lol: Ok, well then I have to ask you bud. Why would you get involved in a discussion that is obviously going to be a debate? Just wondering because it sounds like you really don't like it.
 
Swift
:lol: Ok, well then I have to ask you bud. Why would you get involved in a discussion that is obviously going to be a debate? Just wondering because it sounds like you really don't like it.
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it's a love/hate kind of thing.

I love hearing new stuff about the games, and seeing what people think (people that aren't raving morons) about the differences.

I hate the raving morons, negativity, lack of respect, and smug smart asses that like to shoot things down.
 
Swift, I know your not over keen on the damage in Forza, but let me ask you this. Do you actually prefer the idea of bouncing off everything at any speed and not a scratch, or do you think that Forza's is better? I know you keep ponting out the flaws in Forza's damage but I also know that doesn't hace mean you think it's worse that GT's collisions.
 
Swift is right in that the damage effects aren't 100% realistic, but it is closer to it than no damage at all, I'll admit that.

I think everyone just has to admit that GT4, Forza and Enthusia will all be good games and will all have their positive and negative points but I don't think that we are going to come to a conclusion on which game is best any time soon.
 
live4speed
Swift, I know your not over keen on the damage in Forza, but let me ask you this. Do you actually prefer the idea of bouncing off everything at any speed and not a scratch, or do you think that Forza's is better? I know you keep ponting out the flaws in Forza's damage but I also know that doesn't hace mean you think it's worse that GT's collisions.
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Honestly, I would rather see a damage bar or something. You know, the bar gets to the end and your car is totalled. Something other then trying to reproduce damage in realtime. That's just beyond difficult in a simulation. But yeah, it's better then GT4's run into anything and keep on going.
 
That's one of the GT40 race cars. I actually wouldn't mind that being in gt4, would look great in gt4 ofcourse like the other gt's in gt4.
 
kinigitt
opinions aren't wrong. well...sometimes they are.

that video was in poor taste, that's what he's saying. it wasn't very truthful, it was one-sided and while some of the points were valid, they were presented childishly.
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It tried replicating the same types of crashes and sounds in both games. It was not onesided at all. While Forza is of course not 100% realstic(what is?), you would have to be a serious GT fanboy not to admit that Forza's colision physics and sound is a step above GT. For those of you who have not played GT4, unless they overhaul the game when it hits the states then the sound and crash physics are almost exactly the same that you see in GT3.

The underpowered car comparison could be considered more opinion but it still makes a valid point for those who care about that aspect of the 2 games.
 
Gek54
It tried replicating the same types of crashes and sounds in both games. It was not onesided at all. While Forza is of course not 100% realstic(what is?), you would have to be a serious GT fanboy not to admit that Forza's colision physics and sound is a step above GT. For those of you who have not played GT4, unless they overhaul the game when it hits the states then the sound and crash physics are almost exactly the same that you see in GT3.

The underpowered car comparison could be considered more opinion but it still makes a valid point for those who care about that aspect of the 2 games.
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Actually, it shows what an incredible fanboy of Forza you are. That's what it did.
 
guys i am new in gt4 forum but i will say this forza for me is an arcade game.
but in one month my dream will come true playing my gt4 game with my
real car m3 csl in nurburig course and another 600+ cars to test on various
courses plus modifying my m3 putting nos which i would't do in the real life.
And at my house i have a 42inch plasma+sparco racing chair+dfp wheel what else
do i need,maybe next year when i get tired of gt4 i might give a try on the forza
game. :)
 
Uh_Oh
PS2 is where racers go to play. Xbox just doesn't have good racers. Forza might change that. I'm glad i bought mine.
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Thats how I feel. I play PGR2 every night cause xbox live is so much fun. I wish the GT series had online capabilities.
If anyone wants to play some xbox sometime, here's my gamertag: BlackZ28 :D
 
tasaras
guys i am new in gt4 forum but i will say this forza for me is an arcade game.
but in one month my dream will come true playing my gt4 game with my
real car m3 csl in nurburig course and another 600+ cars to test on various
courses plus modifying my m3 putting nos which i would't do in the real life.
And at my house i have a 42inch plasma+sparco racing chair+dfp wheel what else
do i need,maybe next year when i get tired of gt4 i might give a try on the forza
game. :)
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OK,
1st off, you need to go back to English Class, and learn the value of a period and a comma. It makes all the difference.

2nd, don't brag about having a 42" inch Plasma. I have a 48" inch Big Screen as well. And who cares if you have a Sparco seat? I can get a Sparco seat in my car. I have a DFP as well.

3rd, I would like to see a picture of your "M3 CSL."

4th...Stop being a GT Fanboy. KY has enough arse kissers. I doubt he needs another one, and neither do we.
 
Gek54
So you are saying the sound, and crash physics are not better in Forza then they are in GT4?
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Is it just me, or was that GT3 in the vid?
 
Gabkicks
yes, the noob who made the vid is comparing forza to a game that came out... what.... 4 years ago? 3 years? :dunce:
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lesson 1 - forza vs. "gran turismo" (notice they didnt put 3, 4 or p) was obviously made by a forza fangirl

lesson 2 - cars you can drive in gt4 "700+ cars" cars you can drive in forza "a piddly 200+"

lesson 3 - physics in gt4 are "almost real" physics in forza "all cars slide unrealistically and claim to have real physics"

lesson 4 - this video still makes me want gt4, because obviously this was a half hearted attempt to make the gt series look bad...

lesson 5 - hey forza fangirl demonstrate what not to do, throw your xbox in the tub with you, still plugged in 👍
 

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