GT4 vs Forza [Let the battle begin]

[CincyReds]

If you are buying a console as a PS2 owner I would say DO NOT BUY IT! Its an ok console, but really it is getting old and theres many disadvantages:

it will crash all the time, its slow, it has poor graphics, it has bad games, the online is bad, the memory cards cost as much as a new PS2, the games are all the same

but GT4 is immense however it has the following disadvantages:

it requires a lot of playing, you can't do many nice short races, to get decent cars u need to put in lots of effort, you cant do up cars visually, all the best cars (ferrari) are missing, the only really fun two player thing to do is with dodge midgets on the slope town race course which is sunny, also the crashes are un realistic and you cant smash each other up

id just get Xbox and MotoGP 3, honestly guys, great crashes, immense overtaking, doing up you bike, wooo! and i hv to hv MotoGP 4 PS2 which i hope you can crash in and tell me if u can anyone please

Wow, what lies.

 

[CincyReds]

A little test to show you how much the Ring sucks in Forza, go around it in any car and try to maintain a 60 MPH average and look at your time, it should be around 14 minutes at a 60 MPH average. All of mine have been way past that.

 

[RexKwonDo]

A little test to show you how much the Ring sucks in Forza, go around it in any car and try to maintain a 60 MPH average and look at your time, it should be around 14 minutes at a 60 MPH average. All of mine have been way past that.

And you are comparing this to your REAL LIFE drive around the ring right?

 

[CincyReds]

And you are comparing this to your REAL LIFE drive around the ring right?

Its simple math, 60 MPH gets you 1 mile in 1 minute. The Ring is just about 14 miles I think, so if you maintian a 60 MPH average around the track, you get around in 14 minutes or so.

 

[RexKwonDo]

WTF are you smoking!?
You know GT4 is nowhere near the title of Legendary Racer, right?

That title belongs to GTR, arguably the BEST D*MN SIM out there followed by GPL and F355. GT4 and Forza are like 5th or below in the Racing sim line-up.

GTR kicks ass. I like Richard Burns Rally too.

 

[RexKwonDo]

Its simple math, 60 MPH gets you 1 mile in 1 minute. The Ring is just about 14 miles I think, so if you maintian a 60 MPH average around the track, you get around in 14 minutes or so.

Maybe I'm just missing the point of the original post but I guess what you are saying is that the ring in forza sucks because you can't go around in it fast enough?

 

[CincyReds]

Maybe I'm just missing the point of the original post but I guess what you are saying is that the ring in forza sucks because you can't go around in it fast enough?

It sucks because its not realistic, its longer than the real thing, its wider than the real thing. I just ran the test again in an Enzo Ferrari, in 3rd gear the whole time, maintained an average of 70 MPH this time and it took 16.37.238. Thats not realistic at all.

 

[RexKwonDo]

It sucks because its not realistic, its longer than the real thing, its wider than the real thing. I just ran the test again in an Enzo Ferrari, in 3rd gear the whole time, maintained an average of 70 MPH this time and it took 16.37.238. Thats not realistic at all.

Understood.

Thats why I was asking if you drove the ring in real life. If you drove the ring or have a video of a guy driving on the ring with an enzo at 3rd gear at 70mph while keeping the same line as you and finishing within 16 minutes than yes, that would show that the ring is unREALISTIC.





When discussing a sim's realism, compare it with its real life conterpart. Not with other sims.

 

[CincyReds]

Understood.

Thats why I was asking if you drove the ring in real life. If you drove the ring or have a video of a guy driving on the ring with an enzo at 3rd gear at 70mph while keeping the same line as you and finishing within 16 minutes than yes, that would show that the ring is unREALISTIC.





When discussing a sim's realism, compare it with its real life conterpart. Not with other sims.

I was comparing it to real world math man, wasnt comparing it to other sims. The Ring is 13.5 miles long exactly. At 60 MPH you of course go 60 miles in one hour so that means you go one mile in one minute. At 70 MPH average, you should get a sub 14 minute time. Im using the games idea racing line also just to make sure I drive the idea path. Yes the reason I conduted this test is because all my times were slower compared to GT4 and I know I wasnt driving bad. The track is not modeld correctly.

 

[LaBounti]

Most of the tracks seem wide. The rumble strips on the ring look like small ramps.

whats trhe deal with some car models looking awsome(C6 vette) and others looking like a highschool project(GT0 5.7)???

 

[McLaren]

If you are buying a console as a PS2 owner I would say DO NOT BUY IT! Its an ok console, but really it is getting old and theres many disadvantages:

it will crash all the time, its slow, it has poor graphics, it has bad games, the online is bad, the memory cards cost as much as a new PS2, the games are all the same

but GT4 is immense however it has the following disadvantages:

it requires a lot of playing, you can't do many nice short races, to get decent cars u need to put in lots of effort, you cant do up cars visually, all the best cars (ferrari) are missing, the only really fun two player thing to do is with dodge midgets on the slope town race course which is sunny, also the crashes are un realistic and you cant smash each other up

id just get Xbox and MotoGP 3, honestly guys, great crashes, immense overtaking, doing up you bike, wooo! and i hv to hv MotoGP 4 PS2 which i hope you can crash in and tell me if u can anyone please

LMAO at you!

Let's see what I can dig up.

"it will crash all the time"
You don't know anything about this topic. My PS2 is one of the very 1st and has never had a crash or DRE. It does not crash all the time.

"it has poor graphics"
A console can't have poor graphics. A game does.

"it has bad games"
Let's see....
GTA:SA, MC3, GT4, NFS:HP2, FF X.

"the online is bad"
Yes, but there's worse on the PC for some people along with some PC games having bad online time.

"the memory cards cost as much as a new PS2"
New PS2 Then: $150.
New PS2 Now: $100-$130.
Memory Card: 2 For 1 Deal at $just $40. Wow! It really is the same.
http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?cookie_test=1&product_id=801437
And look for just 1, its $23.

1.it requires a lot of playing,
ITs a GT game. Besides, Forza and many other games are longer.
2.you can't do many nice short races,
Actually, yes you can. IT depends on what tracks you like. Seattle is a perfect one.
3.to get decent cars u need to put in lots of effort,
Hey guess what! Its the same way in life.
4.you cant do up cars visually,
Rims and Spoilers. Not the nicest thing, but guess what. Its not called Pimp My Ride
5.all the best cars (ferrari) are missing,
So? I can think of 1 car that easily can topple others that's in GT4.
Jaguar XJ220. Here's a few more: Pagani Zonda, Ruf CTR2, and even some of the Lotus' out perform Ferraris on the track in handling.
6.the only really fun two player thing to do is with dodge midgets on the slope town race course which is sunny,
Know what else is fun? Racing Dodge Vipers at Laguna, and Group C cars at the 'Ring and Le Sarthe.
7.also the crashes are un realistic and you cant smash each other up
This isn't exactly flat out. And if you want to smash each other up, go play something else. GT and even Forza isn't a game made to smash you and friend's cars up.

#6 pretty much proved to me you've never or have extremely small playing time with GT4.
There are no Dodge Midgets, and its called Seattle Circuit.

 

[RexKwonDo]

I was comparing it to real world math man, wasnt comparing it to other sims. The Ring is 13.5 miles long exactly. At 60 MPH you of course go 60 miles in one hour so that means you go one mile in one minute. At 70 MPH average, you should get a sub 14 minute time. Im using the games idea racing line also just to make sure I drive the idea path. Yes the reason I conduted this test is because all my times were slower compared to GT4 and I know I wasnt driving bad. The track is not modeld correctly.

Wow, its hard to believe that microsoft made such a simple mathmatical mistake.

 

[paddworth]

btw ive had gt3 and gt4 both since they came out and u know i meant diahtsu so dont start. Plus its not seattle is the seaside one like France in the special places u discust me. im sorry but really there are many things not sorted out between gt3 and 4 and if they got ur precious lamboginis even ud be happier.

1. only 5 good games try harder mate and most are on xbox
2. we're comparing online to xbl
3. did you really check the prices?
4. all the decent cars u end up over using and getting bored of

MOST IMPORTANTLY - GET MOTO GP and tell me if you can crash with it

 

[flynn]

btw ive had gt3 and gt4 both since they came out and u know i meant diahtsu so dont start. Plus its not seattle is the seaside one like France in the special places u discust me. im sorry but really there are many things not sorted out between gt3 and 4 and if they got ur precious lamboginis even ud be happier.

1. only 5 good games try harder mate and most are on xbox
2. we're comparing online to xbl
3. did you really check the prices?
4. all the decent cars u end up over using and getting bored of

MOST IMPORTANTLY - GET MOTO GP and tell me if you can crash with it

ahhhh huh?

 

[Event]

btw ive had gt3 and gt4 both since they came out and u know i meant diahtsu so dont start. Plus its not seattle is the seaside one like France in the special places u discust me. im sorry but really there are many things not sorted out between gt3 and 4 and if they got ur precious lamboginis even ud be happier.

1. only 5 good games try harder mate and most are on xbox
2. we're comparing online to xbl
3. did you really check the prices?
4. all the decent cars u end up over using and getting bored of

MOST IMPORTANTLY - GET MOTO GP and tell me if you can crash with it

1. only 5 good games try harder mate and most are on xbox
Ummmm..... Halo? PGR2? Ninja Gaiden? It is all based on preference for games.
2. we're comparing online to xbl
XBL=$$$$$
PS2=Network adapter + Internet (PStwo has built-in Network adapter)
4. all the decent cars u end up over using and getting bored of
All 700+ of them?

This thread is not for Fanboys ranting on about which system is better. This is for discussion og GT4 and Forza.

I will be getting Forza this afternoon. 👍

 

[F1GTR]

MOST IMPORTANTLY - GET MOTO GP and tell me if you can crash with it

Do you have Moto Gp or are you telling us to get it so we can tell you?And why are you going on about it?

 

[McLaren]

btw ive had gt3 and gt4 both since they came out and u know i meant diahtsu so dont start. Plus its not seattle is the seaside one like France in the special places u discust me. im sorry but really there are many things not sorted out between gt3 and 4 and if they got ur precious lamboginis even ud be happier.

1. only 5 good games try harder mate and most are on xbox
2. we're comparing online to xbl
3. did you really check the prices?
4. all the decent cars u end up over using and getting bored of

MOST IMPORTANTLY - GET MOTO GP and tell me if you can crash with it

1st off, you need to be more discriptive. 2nd, if you knew it was Daihatsu, then why didn't you say that? And it wouldn't make a d*mn bit of difference if it had Lamborghinis. Sure, it'd be nice, but I don't need Lamborghinis in GT4 to make me like it more. Hell, I'm a bit glad Lamborghini went to Rockstar instead of Polyphony and Microsoft.

1. Like Event said, it depends on the preferences. And the only Xbox racers that beat GT4 are Forza. PGR2 is close behind GT4 though.
2.Again, XBL=$$$. PS2+Adapter=Free.
3.Are you blind or just dumb? Go check the 2 links I provided. I didn't place them there for you to just stare at.
4.What a dumb way of replying to my post. I named a few cars, and you automatically respond, you get bored of them.

You know what. Just don't post anymore. I can conclude that your a Xbox fanboy.
You discust probably everyone here.

 

[Aurra Sing]

Here is my comparison & opinions:

Bad points of Forza compared to GT4:

- I have a very keen eye of visual detail and some of the cars in Forza dont even look right
- The wheels/rimz (whatever you call em) dont look good. Sometimes the wheels look too small or the tire sidewall profiles are way too thick. Even though the wheels in GT4 are 2d, at least they are proportional to its car and tires at all times
- Frame rate is not as smooth (i would guess only between 30-40fps where as GT4 i estimate about 60fps) and I'm a person that would rather have smoother gameplay rather than better visuals
- Tracks are way too wide
- Nurburgring is too long/not modelled right
- Although the car sounds resembles the actual car better than GT4, they dont sound as "crisp" or as "clear"

Good points of Forza:

- Has all the cars I want that GT4 doesnt have (Ferrari, Porsche, etc)
- Cars and tracks have better lighting/reflections
- Autocross and point-to-point tracks
- Painting cars and adding body kits

All in all, Forza is no where near as good as GT4. GT4 has more depth and lasting factor that will keep me playing and playing. I'm a person that drives solely for the driving experience and sensation. In fact i never drive with music or radio on in my real life car just to hear all the driving sounds. With Forza's "muffled" sounding cars, worse framerate, and the notion that the car i'm driving doesnt even look like the car in real life, the whole driving experience is ruined and GT4 does a better job.

 

[code_kev]

2.Again, XBL=$$$. PS2+Adapter=Free.

So PS2 + adapter is NOT free, and it's pretty crap in comparison.

Been playing forza quite abit now, and I have to say...in terms of racing excitement, it does pretty much have GT4 beaten. My 700+ bhp skyline in Gt4 was a doddle to drive, in this it's an utter monster. I hate this "driving experience" crap people are going on about, I don't buy a racing game for a sunday drive FFS, I buy em to go at stupid speeds.

 

[McLaren]

So PS2 + adapter is NOT free, and it's pretty crap in comparison.

PS2+Adapter=Free ONLINE play.

 

[Devedander]

PS2 Network Adapter ~ $50 so not really free either

LIVE = Tons of leaderboards, stats, downloadable content, downloadable ghosts, tournaments, lots of extra content

PS2 online = mostly heads up gameplay, not nearly as much in extras, virtually no downloadable content...

PS2 vs Live would be like comparing OTA TV vs Satellite. Yes one is essentially free after a some hardware costs, the other costs monthly... but in the vast majority of situations it's well worth it to go with the premium content if you are going to use it at all.

 

[WeAreN1nja]

Here is my comparison & opinions:

Bad points of Forza compared to GT4:

- I have a very keen eye of visual detail and some of the cars in Forza dont even look right
- The wheels/rimz (whatever you call em) dont look good. Sometimes the wheels look too small or the tire sidewall profiles are way too thick. Even though the wheels in GT4 are 2d, at least they are proportional to its car and tires at all times
- Frame rate is not as smooth (i would guess only between 30-40fps where as GT4 i estimate about 60fps) and I'm a person that would rather have smoother gameplay rather than better visuals
- Tracks are way too wide
- Nurburgring is too long/not modelled right
- Although the car sounds resembles the actual car better than GT4, they dont sound as "crisp" or as "clear"

Good points of Forza:

- Has all the cars I want that GT4 doesnt have (Ferrari, Porsche, etc)
- Cars and tracks have better lighting/reflections
- Autocross and point-to-point tracks
- Painting cars and adding body kits

All in all, Forza is no where near as good as GT4. GT4 has more depth and lasting factor that will keep me playing and playing. I'm a person that drives solely for the driving experience and sensation. In fact i never drive with music or radio on in my real life car just to hear all the driving sounds. With Forza's "muffled" sounding cars, worse framerate, and the notion that the car i'm driving doesnt even look like the car in real life, the whole driving experience is ruined and GT4 does a better job.

Word. To. Your. Mother. 👍

The driving experience is infinitely more important to me than "t3h ubZr fast competition-y racing action". That's why I'd put both GT4 and Enthusia substantially ahead of Forza. If Microsoft was aiming their guns solely at GT with Forza, they were waaaaay off target.

 

[arsenal]

Been playing forza quite abit now, and I have to say...in terms of racing excitement, it does pretty much have GT4 beaten. My 700+ bhp skyline in Gt4 was a doddle to drive, in this it's an utter monster. I hate this "driving experience" crap people are going on about, I don't buy a racing game for a sunday drive FFS, I buy em to go at stupid speeds.

If you want stupid speeds, why not just have a race between the fastest cars that forza and gt4 have to offer respectively? gt4's will blow forza's cars out of the water. Porsche and ferrari (and king kong) got nothing on most of the LMP cars that gt4 has which don't appear in forza (minolta, sauber, nissan r89/r92).

 

[code_kev]

Ah, but the cars in GT4 are so calm and easy to drive, even the turbo nutter cars are pretty sedate.

 

[Touring Mars]

OK! I can't wait until tomorrow... my mate is buying Forza today, and I am taking my PS2 and GT4 round to his place and we will be able to do a live comparison - face to face - the battle will begin!! GT4 is at a slight disadvantage as I won't be taking my DFP to really blow Forza out of the water!! j/k If I like it enough, I will buy an Xbox and Forza... I'm really looking forward to being able to customize the look of the car yourself... that's something I really wanted in GT4

From what I've heard, it's going to be a close thing, but I'm confident that I know the outcome already...

Best driving sim - GT4
Best racing game - Forza

edit: still, Forza will need to be bloody good to beat GT4 on the racing game count, so watch this space!!

... and the only solution? Buy them both... but I didn't like PGR/PGR2 at all, I hated the arcade-like feeling of it, and really hope Forza doesn't disappoint me like that too... still, roll on tomorrow!! 👍 👍

 

[McLaren]

PS2 Network Adapter ~ $50 so not really free either

Actually, the new slim PS2 comes online ready, so that does make ONLINE Free and no need to buy anything else. BUT I do agree XBL is much better.

 

[code_kev]

But that's like saying a crap car us better then a ferrari just because it costs less. (oh you said it was better, ignore me)

The more I play Forza, the more I realise that it probably is a better playing game. It lacks the polish of Gt4, but the cars feel more raw, faster, and less sedate. Driving my 700 bhp Ferrari 355 is bloody nerve racking in Forza, while even the fastest hyper car in Gt4 was easy to keep under control. The customisation also kicks ass! The AI is also pretty damn good, races are usually quite close, they try and win etc.

I must also mention the awesome tune as drive feature, fantastic idea!

 

[McLaren]

But that's like saying a crap car us better then a ferrari just because it costs less. (oh you said it was better, ignore me)

The more I play Forza, the more I realise that it probably is a better playing game. It lacks the polish of Gt4, but the cars feel more raw, faster, and less sedate. Driving my 700 bhp Ferrari 355 is bloody nerve racking in Forza, while even the fastest hyper car in Gt4 was easy to keep under control. The customisation also kicks ass! The AI is also pretty damn good, races are usually quite close, they try and win etc.

I can't get Forza yet as I now only have $10 to my name. By summer I should have it, and should have 3 months. Or July at least.

 

[Evolution.]

The Xbox is better. It is younger, as most raw cpu power, its memory management is better and faster, its DvD reader is better (for movie watching), its got more access possibilities (4 controlers, 8 memory unit access), its got built in HD, built in Network access and XboxLive is very good, especially with the headset.
hope this helps.

I havent read every page of this thread,but I have already seen a bunch of these posts.

The topic title says FORZA and GT4,which is better?,not "Xbox and PS2,which is better?.

I know ferrari and Porsche and lambo are important, I agree thats a really negative point

Really a negative point?Take this into context...

To get a license to use even one of their cars,Sony will be dishing out some major cash (apparently something they don't want to do).Notice how Forza won't have as many cars as GT4...only because it will be burning it's cash on high-priced-licensed exotics whereas GT4 makes the game funner and more challenging by giving you basic cars to start with,but then after that you still have a chance to get a variety of cars that are alot better and cooler than Lamborghini,Ferrari etc.

No damage also gave GT4 a negative point

Here we go again..

Ok...lets say YOU are the lead director of PD.And your getting thousands of letters and emails saying people want damage....are you going to spend millions of dollars on the licenses?Or are you going to save millions and not put licenses on some 500+ cars?Exactly.I know Sony is a rich ass company,but I doubt even if you were that rich you would be spending millions on damage licenses.

Now,I have started a little revolt against PD of alot of people emailing them about when or if GT5 comes out,they need to make it their best ever and shell some insane cash into it (i.e:damage licenses,cars,parts etc.).

Im not trying to be the bad guy here,but im just pointing out the obvious reasons why PD didn't give us these things...simply because..

THEY GAVE US THE REST OF GT4!

If they got all of those licenses,we wouldn't have 50+ tracks...we wouldn't have 500+ cars and we wouldn't have the insane gameplay that GT4 gave us.

 

[code_kev]

Cooler then a ferrari 250 gto? Such a a car does not exist.

If they got all of those licenses,we wouldn't have 50+ tracks...we wouldn't have 500+ cars and we wouldn't have the insane gameplay that GT4 gave us.

I'd MUCH rather have less cars if it means damage and better customisation. TBH Gt4 probably wasn't that much of a task for them, all they had to do was get Gtc, polish it up abit, add some new physics, a few more cars and there ya go. Gt4. Shame really. GT4 is good, but the more I play it, the more I see it lacks any real sense of excitement .