GT4 WRS Week 16: "Alright, Who's NSX'd?"

[MisterWeary]

ok... now i know im not a brillient driver, far from it, but in no other car in the whole of the GT series have i gone to slam on the brakes and the back end has decided to do some ballet!! I think i have spent more time backwards so far!! does anyone have any ideas on how to sort it out.... im in the Loctite Mugan... any settings would be appreciated

I've found that I have to brake in a straight line with this sucker more than most cars but if it does step out, it can often be caught with the accelerator.

 

[ls2_297]

I've found that I have to brake in a straight line with this sucker more than most cars but if it does step out, it can often be caught with the accelerator.

yers i think i have found my self drifting around the track side ways rather then straight!!

 

[fasj6418]

So am I the only one with this weird experience ?

No, i´m with you...

running for the JGTC i saw that the problem with the NSX are the huge turbo that we have on those 917HP monsters... the car seems to be "shaky" the revs are always bouncing... and also the cars has a huge problem with torque in low RPM´s, so a good gear setup will be very important...

as for the handling, i´ve also got scary on the first attempts, but that´s just the way the car handles... always in sideways... but if you draw a perfect line for the car, and have pacience with the brakes, the results could be awsome... there are guys already hitting 0´59 on T2, and somebody will have a 58...

the main thing that i still haven´t been able to do last night, was to correct the stupid ballast that those ´01 models have... adding weight on a car that is so centered is a crime... it takes away its stability, so IF ANYONE ALREADY CORRECTED THE BALLAST ON THE ´01 MODELS, PLEASE, LET US KNOW!

 

[kragbees]

ok... now i know im not a brillient driver, far from it, but in no other car in the whole of the GT series have i gone to slam on the brakes and the back end has decided to do some ballet!! I think i have spent more time backwards so far!! does anyone have any ideas on how to sort it out.... im in the Loctite Mugan... any settings would be appreciated.

kragbees: you are most definetely not my friend... the needles jittering around all over the place and the tires are either wheelspinning or bouncing around all over the place!

huh haha, not your friend ? But yes, I have the same type of weird things happening !

 

[ls2_297]

huh haha, not your friend ? But yes, I have the same type of weird things happening !

haha, you've just read it wrong buddy... i meant 'you are certinanly not my friend' as answering your question 'am i alone', what i should have wrote is 'you are certinally not alone my friend'.. would have made life a lot easier 👍

 

[kragbees]

haha, you've just read it wrong buddy... i meant 'you are certinanly not my friend' as answering your question 'am i alone', what i should have wrote is 'you are certinally not alone my friend'.. would have made life a lot easier 👍

haha no problem boet (buddy) 👍 At least I know I'm not the only one with this problem ... thought it was my DFP acting up or somethin' ... but strange that this is the 1st car in GT4 that I have seen doing this !

 

[ls2_297]

yers i have never had problems like this before....i can only manage a T2 around 1'04.5xx and half the time is spent DRIFTING and trying to prevent spinning... if a stable setup could be found im sure both the jumping of the speedo and the twitchyness of the NSX under-brakes that a 1'01 could be possible for myself

 

[Toffe]

What is the "tranny-trick"?

 

[Tyre King]

I am driving the Mobil, having the same happening with the rev counter. It must, as has been said previously, be the stage 4 turbo 'spiking'.

My main problem is that the front end has TOO MUCH grip round the medium speed corners, and the rear rotates around the fronts!

I have a pretty good setup going here that does the high-speed corner's really well, the slow-speed corners are pretty good too. But i am getting sick and tired of loosing the rear at the apex of the left between the tunnels and the apex of the final tunnel after the bridge, for no apparent reason at all! I am not stamping on the throttle,or the brakes; in-fact i am feathering the throttle because as soon as i lift off more than 50% the rear rotates again, and have the brake set to 2/1

I know!
Logically it should be the LSD settings causing this problem, because at the speeds that these corner's require downforce settings should have minimal effect, but i am at a loss. Nothing i try has any effect!

Help!!!!!!!!

Could someone with a 1,00.xxx T2 post some settings or give some tips?

Neil

 

[KLR142]

Here are some tips for you guys, I don't have my settings on me at the moment, but, with the ballast, move it forward so it reads -25. That was what someone else posted and that helped me a lot. It will help get rid of some of the urge to spin when you slam on the brakes, I experimented with a little bit less of a forward bias, but it seems to want to go around anyway. The downside to this, is that it wants to push through the turns a little bit more.

Other things to do are stiffen the suspension. I'm currently running something like 17/19.6 or so springs and bound is 8/8 and rebound is 10/10. Ride height I've been running between 48 and 52 all around. Camber and toe and sways are stock settings. I got down to a 1'02.3xxx last night in my Loctite Mugen with these settings(and using gear trick with the final set at 3.385 I think), and brakes on 3/3. I'm going to play with different gearing though. I'm able to hit 201 pretty consistently before turn one, and sometimes 202mph... One more thing, LSD is set at 5/6/5, it should be a little more locked up on acceleration, but the more locked it is, the more initial understeer you get under acceleration in the turns.

Tip number one, the last turn can be taking flat out, in case you didn't already know, it took me a few laps to find that out...

Oh yeah, and the bouncy car is just the fact that the car has a TON of power and not very compliant suspension. Just like the license test in the Nissan R92 or whatever it is. It's just the way GT4 is setup to work. You're not alone, I'm pretty sure EVERYONE experiences this.

I hope some of these settings help you guys! Let me know if they do! Oh, and let me know if you want me to explain why I did any of the above tuning...

 

[Lewie]

Covered 211 km today, very first testing session, i wasn´t liking that much in the firsts km because i felt the car too much furious and oversteery but i solved that with some new settings and etc, and not it looks like very nice.

Im liking this combo, really nice car to drive. I feel lot more improvements yet, but meanwhile i´ve got a very good lap.

It was funny because even with good settings i was like a crazy trying to keep the car on track, mostly like a rally, and my father saw some of the laps and really didn´t understand what were happening. lol

Here my t sector times:

T1 - 31.081
T2 - 1'00.383
T3 - 1'xx.xx9

That's awesome that your dad watches and tries to help you figure out. My dad hates video games, except for TW Golf. You put in some good times, too!!!

 

[STINGER05]

Thanks a lot for all the hints and tips you have given so far!I'm sure we will see some tight racing this week.

I bought the Mobil1 last night, mainly for its nice looks....got lucky there it seems.

@KLR142: ''last turn can be taken flat out'': If you refer to the left hander just before the start/goal straight with all the sand to you right...How can you take that one full speed? Its the one corner I struggle the most to find the right approach for the apex (since GT3)... you really got me thinking now....may be I need to re-think my approach, and use different tires as well all along...

 

[KLR142]

woah, what turn are you talking about? The last turn for me is a right hander before the start/goal straight... And I'm using RSS tires all around for what it's worth.

 

[circa86]

why no Takata Dome?

 

[Androoos]

woah, what turn are you talking about? The last turn for me is a right hander before the start/goal straight... And I'm using RSS tires all around for what it's worth.

What's this "left hander" before the start/finish?? The last corner is a sweeping right hander that is assuredly a flat-out corner. If you're having to lift then there's something wrong.

 

[circa86]

I have about 3 hrs of practice on this track already from JGTC qualifying and tire testing! but again why no Takata Dome NSX! maybe it is too much faster?

 

[circa86]

Yeah, coming into the final corner. In auto, it changes from 5th, to 6th, then back to 5th, then back to 6th.

And yeah, it just confirms to me that all NSXs are awful.

If I ever hear you say that again I will kick your ass! BTW why the hell are you using auto?

 

[Androoos]

I have about 3 hrs of practice on this track already from JGTC qualifying and tire testing! but again why no Takata Dome NSX! maybe it is too much faster?

Jeez. Why are you repeating the same question in two consecutive posts? Trying to up that post-count, are we?

No Takata Dome means No Takata Dome. It's too fast and handles too nicely. It would be like pitting the Motul Z against the old Skyline JGTC cars from '99 and '00.

Is that the answer you're looking for so badly?

 

[vtec_guy]

This combo sounds liek a real handful, ill get right on it when i get home.

 

[circa86]

no I'm not trying to up my post count. I really don't give a toss about that. but the Takata car is just so damn pretty it is a shame to leave it out. now it will feel all sad and rejected

 

[Lewie]

What is this "JGTC" that everyone keeps takling about? I know what the real life series is, but is there a series like the WRS for GT4?

 

[KLR142]

Yep, there is a JGTC series going on right now on here(GTPlanet) as well. 👍

And fastest clean splits so far:
T1: 32.144
T2: 1'02.481

 

[STINGER05]

woah, what turn are you talking about? The last turn for me is a right hander before the start/goal straight... And I'm using RSS tires all around for what it's worth.

Thanks for that KLR142. Tha corner you mentioned is flat out indeed (thats why I was ignoring it..which is wrong in racing terms, I know)...I referred to the left hander after you come down from the twisty downhill section into the left hander, with those sand bunkers on the right, even Tiger Woods would struggle to find his way out.........

 

[Toffe]

I'm so enjoying this combo!!! After about 2 hours of racing these are my T-times:

T1: 31.202 (Don't see how I'm gonna improve here.)
T2: 1'00.869 (But here there is a lot of time to be made!)

On the whole lap I think I can make at least a 1 second improvement.
Using the Mobil 1 NSX (of course).

 

[Androoos]

no I'm not trying to up my post count. I really don't give a toss about that. but the Takata car is just so damn pretty it is a shame to leave it out. now it will feel all sad and rejected

OK. It's just that a few people on here post meaningless crap over and over again or they will post seperate sentences in seperate threads rather than throw it all into one and its all because they want to get to 500 posts so they can change more stuff. It's stupid, I agree. I think he who did it knows it, and he's participated in this thread very recently.

And I agree about the Takata Dome NSX. It's a great car, and gorgeous. I'm actually sitting here staring at a 1/24 scale model of it that I found at Target (there is also a 1/64 version, got that too!).

I am tearing my hair out with these NSX's though. Can't seem to keep things clean. Right now I'm in the Castrol NSX, switched from the Loctite NSX, and I'm strongly considering trying out the Mobil 1 car thanks to the recommendation from my old D2 nemesis Toffe. No significant splits to post as of yet, also thanks to Toffe's stellar times.

 

[Old Geezer]

A BIG THANX to ballstothewall !!! for posting your set-up. 👍 (I wanted to post this Publicly rather than thru a PM.)

I spent quite some time ATTEMPTING to "Tame" an NSX so I could use one to attack the GrpC Rides in the GTWC like I'd done with two other JGTC Rides. Whatever I tried, the "Snap Spin" would NOT go away! (If you think it's Bad on R-5s...try it on R-1s! ) While it's not yet "Perfect" for my driving style it's a damn site better than what I WAS running! Turned a 1'03.xxx on my first Lap w/yours & was actually able to finish the lap! 👍 W/Mine I kept looping it in the tunnel after T-2! THANX Again...O.G.

 

[Toffe]

I am tearing my hair out with these NSX's though. Can't seem to keep things clean. Right now I'm in the Castrol NSX, switched from the Loctite NSX, and I'm strongly considering trying out the Mobil 1 car thanks to the recommendation from my old D2 nemesis Toffe. No significant splits to post as of yet, also thanks to Toffe's stellar times.

Thanks, Androos! I think that you will find the speed needed soon. You're using the DFP. You have bought one recently, right? Use it! I think it's really an advantage here since it's much easier to control the throttle. I can give you some tips on how to improve your time:

Use the softest tire on all four. Balance is always important.

Try to use ASM as little as you can. Compensate it with the LSD. My settings are:
initial:30
rear:60
front:30
I'm actually using no ASM or TCS!!! That means:
over:0
under:0
tcs:0

Another clue: I'm not using full downforce. I will not be more specific than that right now since the settings are not perfect.

This goes for all of you: Gear MANUALLY! Since we put a stage 4 turbo on this machine and it's a Honda so it revs high, you can earn some time on gear up as late as you can. (more revs means higher turbo pressure and more horsepowers)

Come on Androos!! Give it all you got! 👍

 

[KLR142]

Lol, nice post Toffe!

I'm currently down to whittling at my time with this setup... So that's good, but I think more improvements will come with even more play with the suspension and gearing.

LSD is currently at 8/8/8

But then after laying down my fastest lap and chasing it for a while, I decided that's enough for today. So I went to Honda and bought some new tires so that I might use my NSX for an endurance race... I also noticed that I had the option of doing the chassis refresher plan... I did it... Then got worried... Took the car to the track, and it understeers more! Argh. More playing will come. Had a good session today though... Saw a blink of 203mph and kept it clean!(at that turn anyway) Crazy stuff!

I'm loving this combo CFM! Keeping me on my toes for sure!

 

[SHigSpeed]

I'm having a lot of fun with this one this week. My wife is out of town so I've been able to run with the DFP again. I think I'd be hosed with the DS2 with my current car/settings as it's CRITICAL to be able to smoothly modulate gas and left-foot brake (with gas on).

I'm running the Mobil1(on RSS of course) and I'm pretty happy with where I am in relation to how much time I've put in (about 2 hours).

Can anyone offer any help on how to get the braking into the last tunnel right so I don't slap sideways all the time? VERY touchy. As is the braking into the left hander prior to the right-right-left going into the tunnel before the bridge...

T1 = 31.615
T2 = 1'01.719

-SHig

 

[Toffe]

New T-times:

T1: 31.098 (I could improve it!)
T2: 1'00.417

Tip for the first hairpins:
Try to take them at a controlled slide.

Thinking about trying the Loctite. The place where you really can make time is in the middle of the track.