GT4 WRS Week 2: CFM's "Cherry Pop"

[CFM]

Kolyana's got the right idea for sure. The last corner is full throttle no matter what. If you can't take it full throttle try a different line. For the first corner I brake hard as possible righ around the 100 meter marker that can be seen on the left wall as you approach. Thinking of it as 2 corners tied together is the way to go, like she said.👍

19.548
37.687
58.011

That's about all I can do for this one I think, not doing too well at it by my own standards. *shrugs*

 

[DRIVEN -USA-]

Turned in my time - hope its fast enough

End of straight turn - HARD on the brakes down to 2nd, try to let rear end slide just a little as i turn in, as i hit 2nd FULL on the gas then 3rd on up to get as much speed out of the corner as possible sticking to the right rumble strip (don't hit it though) the next turn has always been the hardest for me (hard left) if i hit it right i got a good time, the long sweeper to the right 4th gear FULL throttle to the hairpin (never had any prob's here) the shicane was always about the same (a few hundreds give or take) then on the the finish. 👍

fun car on a fun track - all controls are on

can't figure out just what T times i got only my final time is about as fast as i can get it to go see you on the podium

 

[TheWizard]

How do you guys take the long right turn before T2 full throttle in 4th gear?!
I have to "feather" the gas up until the apex, and then floor it.

If I try to go full throttle all the way, the car understeers too much and I end up on the grass, to the left.

Is it even possible to take it full throttle (in other words, am I just taking the wrong line)?

If I figure this out I might be able to shave an extra 0.2 off my current best.

The Wizard.

 

[Iceman]

Unless you come out of the chicane at an incredibly slow speed there is no possible way to take that corner full speed.

 

[Drew22]

I'm with you Wizard, the only way to take that flat out is with the aids turned on. I usually just let off the gas a bit after clearing the chicane and barely miss cutting the grass. That's the hardest part of the track for me.

 

[angelx]

How do you guys take the long right turn before T2 full throttle in 4th gear?!
I have to "feather" the gas up until the apex, and then floor it.

If I try to go full throttle all the way, the car understeers too much and I end up on the grass, to the left.

Is it even possible to take it full throttle (in other words, am I just taking the wrong line)?

If I figure this out I might be able to shave an extra 0.2 off my current best.

The Wizard.

i aproach the turn at 135mph and brake to around 115mph and as i am coming out on the left i hit 135mph again. i don't know if thats how everyone is doing it but i for one can't seem to do it any other way.

 

[Sphinx]

That's about all I can do for this one I think, not doing too well at it by my own standards. *shrugs*

You're not alone CFM. I think a lot of OLR GT3 drivers are having problems with GT4. Old habits die hard it seems

 

[CFM]

You're not alone CFM. I think a lot of OLR GT3 drivers are having problems with GT4. Old habits die hard it seems

It would help if I wasn't losing .300 between T2 and T3 every stinking time.

 

[MagpieRacer]

thats the same with me, ive submitted my time but only because no matter what i did i wasnt getting the .300 that i was losing between T2 and T3

 

[Lotrzyna]

OK 2 session (about 80 laps ) and this is what I have:

T1: 19.619
T2: 38.117
T3: 58.453

At sector T2 to T3 there is 90' right and 90' left turn - that turn was on some licens test with Skyline - my favourite car so I made that licens gold and that helps me alot right now ;-) (I dont have alot golds :/)

 

[Alpine3]

i aproach the turn at 135mph and brake to around 115mph and as i am coming out on the left i hit 135mph again. i don't know if thats how everyone is doing it but i for one can't seem to do it any other way.

Yup that's pretty much how i do it as well, except i'm using km/h 👍 .
Anyways this is how i approach that sweeping right:
Start from the outside
when you approach the rumble strips that start about halfway through the inside of the turn you should be on the inside and in 5th gear. There's a point right after where the rumble strip starts where the corner tightens. I brake to about 185-190km/h (or as angelx said, 115mph) and downshift to 4th at that point.
Then get back immediately on the throttle and you should reach the hairpin well into 5th gear.

 

[RacyBacy]

Gave this combo my first try tonight. More time to come off hopefully.

T1: 19.615
T2: 38.156
T3: 59.110

 

[TheWizard]

Unless you come out of the chicane at an incredibly slow speed there is no possible way to take that corner full speed.

And to all the others that contributed:

That seems more logical.

I knew there was no possible way of taking the entire section full throttle, because I tried entering that curve at any possible line/angle, and none of them let me take it full speed.

I see some interesting suggestion here, such as the one mentioned by Alpine.

I'll have to give it a try, as I usually brake/decelerate on the last straight section after the chicane, right before the long right turn begins, and then keep it half throttle (constantly modulating it, if I see that the car starts going toward the outside) and then when I hit the apex, that's when I go full throttle all the way.

I never tried braking at the apex.

I will see what the outcome of that will be.

The Wizard.

 

[nicholp]

Another quick session and a slight improvement - gained 2 seconds at T1 to T2, but then lost 1 second to only make 1 second better at T3

T1 : 21.048

T2 : 40.818

T3 : 1'02:471

Paul

 

[SimonC]

For some unknown reason I really lost interest in playing GT4 over the last few days, but my time is pretty bad. So today I forced myself to play, and managed to improve my time quite a bit. 👍
19.685
38.218
58.818
I actually enjoyed that more than I thought. Don't know if it'll be my final time, or I might just keep myself fresh for the next challenge instead.

 

[Tedehur]

...First, coming off the LAST corner is crucial for a fast straight and therefore getting to the first corner as quickly as possible. I know that this may be stating the obvious, but if you take half a second more to get there, then you're already down on your time compared to everyone else.

Personally, I hit that final corner in 4th and I'm upping to 5th before I enter the straight ... it can require precise control to ensure that you don't run off onto the straight grass ... look at the marks on the road and follow them, don't make the turn into the straight too soon, because it'll 'point' you towards the outside of the track and you won't make the straight.

Actually, the hairpin before is the crucial point, not the last corner. You should be flat-out all the way from the hairpin exit to the finish line.
I use the same 330 km/h setting and I'm in 2nd in the hairpin, shifting up to 3rd in the right bend, to 4th just before T3 and to 5th before hitting the apex of the final corner. I ride this apex (2 wheels in the grass on the inside, 2 wheels on the track) keep the line as straight as possible and slighty ride the apex on the outside (but no wheel in the grass on the outside, that would result in an instant spin) and up to 6th when entering the straight.

I have to solve the braking point on the left after T1 ; the whole tight left before T2 and coming fast into the hairpin. More than 1.5 sec to find there, but probably not enough time to nail all 3.

 

[TheWizard]

I ride this apex (2 wheels in the grass on the inside, 2 wheels on the track) keep the line as straight as possible and slighty ride the apex on the outside (but no wheel in the grass on the outside, that would result in an instant spin) and up to 6th when entering the straight.

Hey Cyril, you must be going pretty damn fast to be forced to put two wheels off track in order to make it alive at the exit.

Either that, or you must approach the turn with a "less-than-optimal" line.

I do exactly as you described (sometimes I just leave it in 3rd all the way through the chicane, if I manage to get a good line that allows me to do it): floor it all the way from chicane exit to finish line.

I use the default 340km for the speed, but even with 330km (I tried), I can take everything at full speed without having to let off the gas or going off track (albeit with only two wheels).

And I even manage to let go of the steering wheel during the turn, for a few instants (in order to make the tires quit screeching and gain an additional billionth () of MPH here and there) and I can still be safely inside the track, without additional corrections, at the exit.

I don't know, I just thought I would tell you, because I am sure you are losing important speed by putting two tires off track.

Either that, or I am taking it slower than you are - but I think I exit the chicane pretty good.

Just to give you an idea, I hit ~145 MPH at the apex of the last right turn, and ~165-170 MPH at the exit, close to the end of the left rumble strip (not completely sure about this value, but the 145 MPH seems quite right).

Let me know.

The Wizard.

 

[Kolyana]

I don't know, I just thought I would tell you, because I am sure you are losing important speed by putting two tires off track.


The Wizard.

I was wondering about this ... I thought it was some form of ploy you fast-types use to shave OFF time, or something.

 

[TheWizard]

I was wondering about this ... I thought it was some form of ploy you fast-types use to shave OFF time, or something.

I don't know/am not sure.

I always looked at the "two tire rule" as a safety device that would still keep your lap alive, if you, unintentionally, ended up putting two tires off track.

To my knowledge, going off track does not grant me any additional speed/time improvement.

Usually, the cleanest I keep my lap, the better the outcome is, at the end of the day.

I can not really tell you for sure, though - as I am not, by all means, within the fast drivers. In fact, I am more of an average one (and that's still overshooting it )

Maybe there are a few instancies, here and there, where going a little bit off track might help you gain time/speed, but I am not aware/never really tried.

I like keeping my laps 100% clean - they are prettier to look at when I watch the Replay

The Wizard.

 

[Sjaak]

Good evening everybody.

I did my first real session, 2,5 laps, and must say I'm heavy of pace.

19.825
38.385
59.043

I think in the weekend another 1 or 2 laps and I expect at least 1 sec.faster.

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

after a frustrating 3 hour session i ended up gettin the exact same time as my best lap just with better sectors...

Old time New time
T1 : 0:19.428 0:19.463
T2 : 0:37.490 0:37.367
T3 : 0:57.391 0:57.367
i dont know if im gonna be able to beat this, but with holl01 infront of me i must beat his 3rd sector!!!!!!

 

[tuff240]

I was wondering about this ... I thought it was some form of ploy you fast-types use to shave OFF time, or something.

In general it doesn't seem to help as much as it did in GT3. Usually the cleaner you keep your lap, the faster you will go. There are a few odd turns at most tracks that you can gain an advantage by running 2 tires off, but that advantage is very slight in most cases. There might be a slight difference between the DS2 and the DFP as well. If I use the DS2, I use the 2 wheels off rule more often. With the DFP I seem to be able to keep all 4 on most of the time.

As a prime example, hOt6o4bOi (the winner last week) only dropped 2 tires once briefly in the T1 section. Briefly enough to where it was still a line a real car on a real track would have taken. 👍

 

[Tyre King]

hey guys AND gals,

lots of fantastic tips today, having REAL problems with T2 to T3.

Been managing to get onto and off the start/finish straight really well, crossing the line at 188mph and terminal speed is 199.7 before slamming on the brakes for the first corner. Down to 2nd for 1st part,3rd for second, up to 5th and 158mph before braking to 2nd for left 90.(T1 at 19.5 ish)

Up to 135 before easing off for right hander( down to about 110-115mph ) and hitting a later apex at full throttle in 4th,up to 5th (144mph) and then brake and hit the hairpin in 2nd (T2 at low to mid 38's)

then it all goes to pot!

hit the braking point for the final chicane at 173-5 and no matter how many diff lines i try through the damn thing i lose all my time here and end up with a T3 of 59.5 ish!

it's really starting to hack me off, and i'm getting no-where
I know i can do better but just can't see my way through this one!

Any ideas?

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

only improved my best lap by .011 seriously a frustrating combo hehe

T1 : 0:19.442
T2 : 0:37.331
T3 : 0:57.339

 

[Alpine3]

hit the braking point for the final chicane at 173-5 and no matter how many diff lines i try through the damn thing i lose all my time here and end up with a T3 of 59.5 ish!

it's really starting to hack me off, and i'm getting no-where
I know i can do better but just can't see my way through this one!

Any ideas?

Assuming your hitting the correct braking point and entering at the right speed, you can cut the right corner over the rumble strip of the chicane in 3rd gear.(dont go too fast or else it'll screw you over for the line coming out of the second part of the chicane)
I use the rumble strip that begins on the inside of the left corner as my braking point for the left turn part of this chicane. Assuming i got through the right corner properly i will be on the outside for the left turn. As i approach the rumble strip i brake to 2nd gear while trying to steer the car to the apex. If done properly, you can apply the throttle(no wheel spin) from the apex till the finish of the lap and not hit any of the curbs. Dropping a tire or two over the curbs in the exit of that chicane and you can kiss that lap goodbye.
Hope that helps.

Edit: Added a picture cause i'm fed up with studying for my test that i have in a few hours. Just wanna do anything else but that
There's probably a faster line through there but that's been working for me.

 

[Tyre King]

Thanx for that mate!

probably will help loads, if only i can get around the fact that being a biker who has riden round a few of the british race tracks(in the inter or fast groups) i have an in-built fear of cutting corners to the point of having only the left wheels on the rumble strip in a right hand corner! lol
It hurts a LOT more in real life, when it all goes pear-shaped at any speed. When i am engrossed in the game and trying to improve my times, instinct kicks in hard!

most of my laps are completely clean, very few rumble strips hit, no grass at all. 20 years of biking and 10 years of track days on bikes builds up a lot of instinct!

will try! lol


I agree!!! brill drawing! 👍

 

[Tedehur]

Hey Cyril, you must be going pretty damn fast to be forced to put two wheels off track in order to make it alive at the exit.

Either that, or you must approach the turn with a "less-than-optimal" line.

I do exactly as you described (sometimes I just leave it in 3rd all the way through the chicane, if I manage to get a good line that allows me to do it): floor it all the way from chicane exit to finish line.

I use the default 340km for the speed, but even with 330km (I tried), I can take everything at full speed without having to let off the gas or going off track (albeit with only two wheels).

And I even manage to let go of the steering wheel during the turn, for a few instants (in order to make the tires quit screeching and gain an additional billionth () of MPH here and there) and I can still be safely inside the track, without additional corrections, at the exit.

I don't know, I just thought I would tell you, because I am sure you are losing important speed by putting two tires off track.

Either that, or I am taking it slower than you are - but I think I exit the chicane pretty good.

Just to give you an idea, I hit ~145 MPH at the apex of the last right turn, and ~165-170 MPH at the exit, close to the end of the left rumble strip (not completely sure about this value, but the 145 MPH seems quite right).

Let me know.

The Wizard.

The reason for that rumble strip ride is (strangely) safety. I don't lose much speed doing this, but I make sure I don't exit the curve wide in the grass. That costs a lot of time. I tend to make my line as straight as possible to use the torque in an optimal way and usually exit turns wide on the outside.
My best clean has only one rumble strip ride (left after T1).

I don't know my speed at the apex, but at the end of the outside rumble strip I'm also around 170 mph (270-280 km/h). I'm sure I cross the line at 303 km/h (188 mph).

I agree with Patrick, that it was much more profitable to ride the rumble strips in GT3 than now in GT4. It has become more risky since it usually ends up spinning or hitting a wall. (Though I ran this week a clean lap with 2 wheels off outside the fast long right before T2).


Edit :
Nice drawing of yours Alpine !
That also the line I'm trying to use, although I never managed the right hander in 3rd yet (I usually brake too late, lock the wheels and drift straight ahead).
For the tighter left-hander, it should be better if you can swing the rear of the car around to point the front end in the correct direction (and thus accelerate) sooner.
My problem is simply to get all my fingers (er... the 6 that are actually in charge of a button or a stick) work together.

 

[Tyre King]

[QUOTE
My problem is simply to get all my fingers (er... the 6 that are actually in charge of a button or a stick) work together. [/QUOTE]

Bloody hell, two thumbs and two fingers is all i use on ds2, find that hard enough to co-ordinate! lol

just got df wheel (not the pro) 3 days ago now, but can't back the cars into the corners with it yet! had ONE better lap with the pad before now, but only by thou's! the wheel is better for precision steering and feel thro' the corners but don't seem to be able to 'ride the ragged edge' of grip as easily.
Longer distance for the signals to travel to the feet!

 

[Tyre King]

Tell you what else has helped me a little.

Watching my 5000pt 'b'spec driver do the course, i know it sounds stupid but it is helping me to get the rhythm of the track into my head! Sod gets the final chicane right every time!
Watching my ghost car disappear into the distance is also quite pleasing tho'

Am a little wasted at mo, so every little helps!

 

[Teledriel]

@Kolyana

I seem to do ok on the straight up to turn 1 and learned really quick that I have to wait on that brake before I do the turn. 95% of the time have 5th gear hit all ready by time I am through the last corner, and 6th is engaged at start line or soon after. Seems I need to get this higher still by some posts. But I seem to be losing a lot through that first corner, but that where the tranny type is probably killing me right now. I do run with no driving aids on though.

I need to work the MT a lot better, vice the AT. I have problems with using the MT on the DS2, and this is one of my reasons for maybe going to the DFP. I do know that using MT gives a lot better advantage over the AT. One of my goals in the coming weeks to master.

Thanks again for the suggestions, (And all of the ones I have read or received by PM’s) and when I return home from work today (Friday in Japan) I will fire up the car and give it some runs. Will be a long day of testing for me.


@Wizard
On that long right before the pin at T2, I seem to be able to keep 4th floored going through that line majority of the time. I usually kick the brake lightly just before the entry (Staying in 4th), and my line stays very tight against the apex, and exit is near the left edge. Once in a while I do have to break right at the apex also, but then I find that I lose that little part in my time. That is as best as I can tell though, not sure what my speeds are through there, will have to check later when I am home. But this could be, because I am still behind the pace that most of you all are, and this may have to change as my times get better.