GT4 WRS Week 2: CFM's "Cherry Pop"

[Villeneuve81]

Crikey, the amount of laps I've had to put into this combo to get a faster laptime than my previous best is mind boggling, but finally I have a new fastest set of T times:

T1 = 0'19.486
T2 = 0'37.856
T3 = 0'58.204

 

[Tyre King]

BTW Villeneuve
Nice result for last week, didn't even get close.

must be my ridin' style!

And yes, lost count of the laps i've done! Practice,practice,practice makes you slightly less imperfect! Fewer and fewer tiny mistakes per lap, but still only takes ones to screw a lap up completely!

 

[holl01]

heres how i did my lap.

use 330km/h speed, you should hit the start line at 304km/h, for the first corner, use the signs on the right hand side to judge the breaking point, a little bit after the third one u start to break, turn into the corner and down to 2nd, floor it as quickly as possible.

approach 2nd corner aiming to break as late as possible, take it in third, but avoid understeering, the smoother the more exit speed u get.
Now to the fast right hander, drift out as wide as possible, tap the brakes ever so slightly to drop ur speed down so u can floor it for the rest of the corner, hit fifth, drift out as wide as possible for the tight left hairpin, and break down to second while drifting towards the apex, get on gas as soon as possible to maximise exit speed.

Hug the right side, then drift out towards the left for the shickane, the most critical part of the track. break down to 3rd, then on the gas as u hit the rumble strip, then down to second for the tight left hander. u know u've done it well when u hit fourth well before the right kink. then its simply a matter of turning in gradually on the last right, and thats it. hop i was of some use, cheers, dan.

 

[Villeneuve81]

BTW Villeneuve
Nice result for last week, didn't even get close.

must be my ridin' style!

And yes, lost count of the laps i've done! Practice,practice,practice makes you slightly less imperfect! Fewer and fewer tiny mistakes per lap, but still only takes ones to screw a lap up completely!

Cheers mate. 👍

Best thing to do when you feel you're not doing too well is to rest for a few mins (no more than 5, though - it can ruin your rhythm sometimes) and think about the bits that are going wrong, analyse them, the lines and the braking points and just try and add things up. Then go back to it when you're ready. I did that earlier, realising I wasn't braking early or hard enough for the final chicane and also braking too early for that annoying right hander before T2, went back and got it dead on, which resulted in my latest time.

Also, listening to your favourite music can help. It can relax you and get you mentally geared up better than usual. I've noticed whenever I got a personal best, I was listening to a fave song of mine. This evening it was While My Guitar Gently Weeps by The Beatles - my last best was something by Chris Rea, can't remember which one but I love all his stuff since he does great driving music IMHO.

 

[Teledriel]

LOL ~ Only thing I have hard time with, unless I missed the setting somewhere in options (anyone? GT4 US Version), is they put top speed in Km/h and I see M/h driving. (Even though have a basic conversion chart at the desk while playing)

 

[Tyre King]

LOL ~ Only thing I have hard time with, unless I missed the setting somewhere in options (anyone? GT4 US Version), is they put top speed in Km/h and I see M/h driving.

Not missed a setting mate, same in the uk version too!

330 kmh limit gives better accel but lower terminal vel at end of straight
340 kmh limit higher terminal speed into 1st corner and less oversteer- haven't tried 350 yet! it might give better results coz in powerband of turbo longer- not sure!
Any thoughts? anyone?

BTW anyone know if 'special conditions' races are included in this series? absolutely HATE,DETEST,ABHORE rallies and ice racing!

 

[Villeneuve81]

Oh yeah, I noticed that the recommended Top Speed setting is 330km/h. I set mine to suit my personal driving rhythm - 420km/h and it feels perfect (for me anyway) - not too much gear changing and hardly any wheelspin when coming out of a corner in 2nd. The difference in acceleration feels pretty small so it's not like I'm losing out, I've actually done laps with 330km/h and then beaten them when set at 420km/h, but like I said, it may just be my driving style.

Also when I brake for the 1st corner at the end of the start finish straight (brake just as you pass the start of the rumble strip on the right and head slightly into the corner) and drop to 2nd, it lands me in a perfect line to immediately hit the throttle and get out smoothly.

Finally, I play the UK Pal version and that even though I play with M/h throughout the game, the setting is still at Km/h in the Top Speed section. How puzzling.

 

[Tyre King]

might up the limit a bit more then, thanx

i'll sleep on it then try again tommoz!

 

[kennythebomb]

Wow, I'm in div 2 using a Ds2 and my time is at 11 on the scoreboard and I'm not using the 330 setting...I gotta try that tonight

 

[CFM]

BTW anyone know if 'special conditions' races are included in this series? absolutely HATE,DETEST,ABHORE rallies and ice racing!

Yes, we do rallies occasionally, but not very often. No matter what races are chosen, there are going to be some people who don't like them, so we just do all different kinds.👍

 

[Small_Fryz]

Its not my week this week. 👎

T1: 19.608
T2: 38.117
T3: 58.475

 

[TheWizard]

The reason for that rumble strip ride is (strangely) safety. I don't lose much speed doing this, but I make sure I don't exit the curve wide in the grass. That costs a lot of time. I tend to make my line as straight as possible to use the torque in an optimal way and usually exit turns wide on the outside.
My best clean has only one rumble strip ride (left after T1).

I don't know my speed at the apex, but at the end of the outside rumble strip I'm also around 170 mph (270-280 km/h). I'm sure I cross the line at 303 km/h (188 mph).

I understand, now.
Better be safe than mess up a well earned lap time.

But, still, if I may insist, I would suggest for you to try and go for it.
I messed up at least 10-15 laps (the early ones, when I was still learning the track), by trying to take the turn full speed and still clean, but then I learned the line, and now it is almost an automatism.

Never fails - well, ok, occasionaly it does fail
But it is only on laps that are doomed from the start, anyway.

If I end up messing up a "good" lap, it usually happens somewhere else.

So, my suggestion, again, is: try to learn the line. It might cost you a few laps at the beginning, but once you got it, it will be worth it 👍

Just trying to help out an "old pal", here. Nothing personal (I hope), Cyril

@Wizard
On that long right before the pin at T2, I seem to be able to keep 4th floored going through that line majority of the time. I usually kick the brake lightly just before the entry (Staying in 4th), and my line stays very tight against the apex, and exit is near the left edge.

I will give it a shot and see if I can work it out.

The Wizard.

 

[PaulSwid]

All i have to say is Nurburgring with the M3 GTR RACE CAR so I can pretend to be like Hans-Joachim Stuck. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

 

[CardcaptorYoshi]

The car is awesome, I love the track...yet I suck at driving it At least the advantage of driving (relatively) crummy is that you get to cut lots of time in lots of places ("Wow, I didn't know you could take that last turn full throttle!")

Meh, what am I saying, it's not that bad.

T1: 19.993
T2: 38.884 (fun with matching numbers ^_^)
T3: 59.283
Div 3, DF

 

[TheWizard]

A few more laps, a few more tenths off my previous best time (finally) 👍

New splits:

T1: 0'19.597
T2: 0'38.021
T3: 0'58.431

T3 is 0.209 seconds faster than my previous one and lap time is 0.186 seconds faster - got too excited and dropped to second gear at the entry of the chicane before T3 (instead of keeping it in 3rd), then put it back to 3rd again and then to 2nd. Just a big mess - car is overrevving and tires are squealing... I am sure I could have had another 0.1 off at T3, if it wasn't for that.

Well, going to give it another go, before calling it a night for the time being.

The Wizard.

 

[mrhambone]

aww damn i thought it was due this tuesday..... i sent my time in a week early oh well.

 

[Small_Fryz]

A few more laps, a few more tenths off my previous best time (finally) 👍

New splits:

T1: 0'19.597
T2: 0'38.021
T3: 0'58.431

The Wizard.

Oh NOES!!!111eleven11one!!


I need to pull my finger out or your gonna beat me Matteo.

BTW very nice times mate 👍

 

[TheWizard]

Oh NOES!!!111eleven11one!!


I need to pull my finger out or your gonna beat me Matteo.

BTW very nice times mate 👍

Thank you, Dion 👍

This would be the first time I ever beat you, so don't try too hard

The Wizard.

 

[PaulSwid]

I'm with you Wizard, the only way to take that flat out is with the aids turned on. I usually just let off the gas a bit after clearing the chicane and barely miss cutting the grass. That's the hardest part of the track for me.

If you are a decent driver are you faster turning the aids off? I've often wondered about this, but when I try it I'm always much slower. But if I practice and adapt my driving style will it eventually become the quickest way around the track??

 

[TheWizard]

If you are a decent driver are you faster turning the aids off? I've often wondered about this, but when I try it I'm always much slower. But if I practice and adapt my driving style will it eventually become the quickest way around the track??

Most definitely.

The driving "aids" only slow you down, expecially TCS (even more when you cannot choose how much traction control you want: with Arcade Mode it's all or nothing).

I used to race with the driving aids on default (back in GT3, at the beginning), but then, after reading how they were so much despised by the fast racers, I decided to turn them off. Gradually, I have learnt to drive better without them.

On a track like this one, with a car like this one TCS only kills your time, by a long shot. All the turns that could be taken at full speed and where you can hear your tires squealing, TCS would kick in and slow you down even by 5-10 MPH at a time.

The only times I found TCS to be useful was when we were using Garage cars in GT3 WRS, where I could adjust the value of the TCS. And that was only for 800 HP vehicles and above, which would spin the tires too much at low gears. I would therefore put a value of 1 or 2 (depending on the power and torque of the vehicle) and that would actually help me gain time.

Hope this helps 👍

The Wizard.

 

[idleprocess]

Thursday night update:

_older____old_____new_
20.446 - 19.606 - 19.660
39.133 - 38.139 - 37.795
59.949 - 58.846 - 58.196

What a session, put in a good 70+ laps tonight.

PS. Luxy, I'm using a DFP.

idle

 

[Alpine3]

The only aid that anyone should ever use is TCS on very high horsepower cars with uncontrollable wheelspin. AMS.. seems like all it does is slow my turning down, although i guess it technically does stabilize your car through turns. But if you know anything at all about understeer and oversteer, ams is garbage imo.

Edit: TheWizard said it 100times better

 

[NielsG]

Good evening everybody.

I did my first real session, 2,5 laps, and must say I'm heavy of pace.

19.825
38.385
59.043

I think in the weekend another 1 or 2 laps and I expect at least 1 sec.faster.

Ah, a race within the race. The good old Benelux rivalry with a heroic max 4 laps restriction. That'll be interesting. I'm looking forward to both yours and Pinks replay. 👍

 

[Teledriel]

< rolls the car into the TE garage, with some adjustments by the crew chief's with the recommendations from others, rolls back out to the course.

T1 20.012 (Have had under 20 but seems I lose time somewhere)
T2 38.980
T3 1' 00.478

DS2

TY all for the assist. I know I can get a little more out of it, but this greatly improved over the last set. 👍

@Wizard

After the modifications made, it is harder to keep the line I use to in that sweeping right before T2, but can still do it most the time (Think I use the break at the apex more now than I did before). Think that is how I was able to bust out that 38.9 and seems when I do get a T1 under 20, I can't get below that 39 mark at T2

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

atleast 200 laps today... and i only took off .011 of my best time
sure got alot of laps within .100 of my best tho

but im gonna have to give up gettin too frustrated

TIME SUBMITTED~

 

[Touring Mars]

I'm well and truly done with this one now... flogged it for ages last night (as the actor said to the bishop.. ) and got some great split times (not from the same lap...)

T1 - 19.492
T2 - 37.606
T3 - 57.992

...BUT, I just couldn't hook them up into one perfect lap... looks like my 'from Mars' didn't quite materialise...

Still, great combo this week... 👍 Time submitted.

Cheers,
TM

P.S. I got two T1's in the 19.4xx's on back to back laps and then never did it again... I had been approaching turn 1 on the far left hand side of the track, and braking at the 100 m mark... and consistently getting 19.7xx-19.8xx, when I decided to change my line... I took a more central position, and got a 19.4xx on the first attempt. Then I got 19.492 on the next attempt, and held it to get the 37.606 second sector split... unfortunately I nurfed it at the B-curve ...

 

[Luxy]

I was wondering about this ... I thought it was some form of ploy you fast-types use to shave OFF time, or something.

There is one place on this track where it's definitely advantageous to intentionally put two wheels off: the (right) entry to the chicane. You can take it much faster by planning to cross that little flat rumble strip with the car's left wheels.

In GT3, using two wheels off was almost a given for a fast lap time. In GT4, it seems you have to pick and choose a little more where to do it. And I think someone mentioned it already, but Hotboi proved last week that you can be very fast and very clean

 

[Drew22]

Been racing my best ghost, lost 1/2 sec between sector 1 and 2, and ended up beating my ghost by .8 of a sec. So I know I can do 1/2 sec. better. If only WE could put our 4 best sector times together we'd be smokin!

 

[VEXD]

You know what.....

Ive been racing without driving aids on for a long time now.

But last nite i had to switch one on.... ASM.....

Can you believe it?

I couldnt.

Anyway, just to clarify, i was racing in the Alpine specific race at the dealer's, and my 1973 P.O.S. wouldnt win without new tyres, a new exhaust, new chip, new NOS can, and ASM switched up to 15. Blew my mind the oversteer that thing had. Try it.

Back on topic, i can see we are all struggling to get times up there with the upper echelons of speed like hot and holl and Alpine and of course, Jonny Dangerous, to mention a few, and i see some people having trouble getting into the 57's for T3.

We all need to remember that the speed will come to us if we practice, and that is the only way to improve.

Be open to new ideas, listen to peoples advice, and watch replays when they come in, and go back to a track and learn the correct line, if you werent using it before, when you get the replay to watch.

Its crucial to be in 5th well before the final turn onto the straight, hitting 173/174 MPH as you pass the end of the rumble strip on your left and select 6th.
Its crucial to use the sliding grip of 2nd gear, which is immense, some of you may not realise how well it will stick round a tight corner in 2nd, until you try it.
This slide is needed for turn 1, the turn after T1, the turn just before T2, the turn into the left hander of the chicane. Its a brave art, that takes a few laps to master, but it must be done to compete with the faster guys.

For practice, i suggest slowing right down after you have selected time trial and begun to drive, approach the chicane in 3rd, just letting the engine tick over, really slowly, turn into the right, then line up alongside the kerb on the left, change to 2nd, and hit the throttle earlier than you think, and hold onto the car as you leave the chicane complex, and head for the line.
If you practice getting the car to slide, but grip, you will not only cross the line faster, giving you a faster T1 also, but when you next get to the chicane, you will have a strategy to follow to give you maximum speed exit.

Good luck to you all, i hope to find time to improve over the weekend, but i will probably have to submit the lap that came from mars from my first session.

And chips, get your finger out mate. That GT Lime Cat is ahead of you!

VEXD

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Did 10 laps yesterday, another 0.5 sec. off the tme would make it perfect 👍 (although that's quiet impossible )

T1: 19.622
T2: 0'37.956
T3: 0'57.802


Driving with TCS though, I cannot drive the car well with TCS off.



Cheers,



* EDIT *: @ CFM: These times might give a problem when I'll submit them because it could be I'll have to submit a replay (seeing as I'm quiet fast in Luxy's leaderbord).
Now my question:Is it ok as I'll submit my data from the analyzer along with my time?If not, I'll have to submit a slower time