GT4 WRS Week 25: "Thunder From Down Under"
- Thread starter CFM
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Well, its not that I don't like this combo or anything.. i would love to race it.. its something i usually i wouldn't normally race, improving my skills and so forth....
Anyhow.. Im taking a short leave from GT4... University is being a @#*@!!(*$#(.. nearly on the home stretch.. and thats where the action starts, 50 million assignments and presentations due u know the usual chaos... Im at week 10, week 14 is when i finish.. then final exams.. end of november and its all over for the year 👍...
Til then guys I think i better call it quits for now.... might drop by do a week or so.. but see how things pan out.. Sorry guys!! Ill be around in the forums still i guess, but GT is having a break.
~~~~ Jase
Anyhow.. Im taking a short leave from GT4... University is being a @#*@!!(*$#(.. nearly on the home stretch.. and thats where the action starts, 50 million assignments and presentations due u know the usual chaos... Im at week 10, week 14 is when i finish.. then final exams.. end of november and its all over for the year 👍...
Til then guys I think i better call it quits for now.... might drop by do a week or so.. but see how things pan out.. Sorry guys!! Ill be around in the forums still i guess, but GT is having a break.
~~~~ Jase
- 810
well i would really like to come and say CFM that you dont have to worry bout the combo you picked this week but i cant. i dont supose you'll worry much but i'm not doing too well. *hold back on your sympathy there folks!
dont really think its your combo tho CFM so i'm just gonna have to admit that i'm completly rubbish at this weeks race and pray for a miracle. namely in the disguise of kent, todd, curtis or sam giving me some hot tips.
everythings crossed!!!
cheers
dont really think its your combo tho CFM so i'm just gonna have to admit that i'm completly rubbish at this weeks race and pray for a miracle. namely in the disguise of kent, todd, curtis or sam giving me some hot tips.
everythings crossed!!!
cheers
- 812
- Leicestershire
- davegeorge78
jase86
Jase i wouldnt give up completely, your on a roll! I find it hard to find time for WRS/GT in general as i work full time and am also a mature student doing Electrical Engineering part time so i have lots of homework to do etc etc, i have to limit my time on Gt to numbers of laps - especially for the WRS, i find i do a chunk of 10 laps (about 15 mins for this weeks challenge) and then leave it and come back when i can, as long as i submit each week then thats all that matters!
I would just cut down a bit.....
- 812
- Leicestershire
- davegeorge78
EXelero
I wouldnt worry, im finding it hard aswell....its already been pointed out by the quick people that those of us suffering with a lot of understeer are going too fast so i am trying to smooth things out as much as i can and still get a good time....problem with this is not tyres or steering or power its the weight moving around in this thing, i mean it weighs the same as 2 small hot hatches!!
- 1,111
- SHigSpeed
Small_FryzWith the sharp turning for this track and because on a DFP you can turn to much and have forced understeer, the DS2 is better for this combo. The DS2 goes to the best turning angle all the time, so it is effeicent and has the best angle. But im still gonna stick with DFP
The comments about the DS2 automatically going to the best turning angle... Has this been confirmed? That's very interesting indeed...
BTW, not time for me at this track. I ran a few laps last night but I was using the wrong Aussie car, Monaro something 'er other...
Later,
-SHig
- 1,575
- GTP_T13R
I would think the opposite. The DS2 will go full lock much quicker than the DFP will, and that will definately cause more understeer than a gradual turn-in with the DFP. You have the chance to fairly accurately decide how much you want to turn, which is something really difficult with a DS2. I'd rather have smooth DFP driving than full lock DS2 driving. But then again I still haven't figured out the GT4 physics, as my GT3 speed is still nowhere to be seen here.Small_FryzWith the sharp turning for this track and because on a DFP you can turn to much and have forced understeer, the DS2 is better for this combo. The DS2 goes to the best turning angle all the time, so it is effeicent and has the best angle. But im still gonna stick with DFP
a better split for ya mate 
- 891
Updated time.
T1 0:41.945
Still need to get the bugs worked out. ( Of me anyway
)
T1 0:41.945
Still need to get the bugs worked out. ( Of me anyway
)
- 891
Good to be back. I've noticed Div3 has dwindled some. Not very many competitors anymore. 
Ah well. There's always Div2.
Ah well. There's always Div2.
- 1,111
- SHigSpeed
T13R
That's what I would've figured as well. OTOH, I have noticed that I can more easily swing the tail out on cars using DS2 to the point that when driving DFP I generally run harder tires out back to get similar balance to when driving DS2.
I always thought that this was due to the higher degree of lock you can dial in quickly on the DS2 allowing more front bite, but it's interesting to hear that it may be due to over-turning on the DFP. Hmmm...
More input would be greatly appreciated!
-Scott
- 2,756
- Carlisle,Cumbria,England!
- Ballstothewall1
Try this.....
Put yourself in the last driving mission, and whilst waiting for it to start,
go to external view and then reverse angle.
Using the DFP you obviously have proportional control over the front wheels,
and the wheels move in relation to the input,
Un-plug the DFP and leave a DS2 plugged in.....
Now give full deflection in any direction on the left stick and you will see that the wheels turn in a sort of exponential way- slower at first, then faster and faster.
You can even go centre-full lock-centre very quickly and all you will get is a twitch of the wheels.
The only way that you get a proportional steering result with the DS2 is when you are holding a set amount of input and only varying slightly i.e. the test course or some of the long sweepers scattered amongst the tracks.
It's obviously been done that way to smooth out any twitches caused by heavy handedness/mistakes and using the direction buttons.
I also would say that 'the DS2 goes to the optimum steering angle' ( para-phrasing ) is completely incorrect, what mite be happening is that it appears that way due to the exponential movement.
Now, I agree that the DS2 will be quicker for going lock to lock (obviously it's very difficult to put 900 degrees of turn in quickly without a truck-driver's spinner put onto the wheel), but it's SO much easier to consistantly put 180 degrees in(40% input), time after time, with the wheel so once you have the amount of turn required for each corner drummed into your head (and muscle memory) you will be more consistant than with the DS2.
That's my two-penneth's worth,
Neil
Put yourself in the last driving mission, and whilst waiting for it to start,
go to external view and then reverse angle.
Using the DFP you obviously have proportional control over the front wheels,
and the wheels move in relation to the input,
Un-plug the DFP and leave a DS2 plugged in.....
Now give full deflection in any direction on the left stick and you will see that the wheels turn in a sort of exponential way- slower at first, then faster and faster.
You can even go centre-full lock-centre very quickly and all you will get is a twitch of the wheels.
The only way that you get a proportional steering result with the DS2 is when you are holding a set amount of input and only varying slightly i.e. the test course or some of the long sweepers scattered amongst the tracks.
It's obviously been done that way to smooth out any twitches caused by heavy handedness/mistakes and using the direction buttons.
I also would say that 'the DS2 goes to the optimum steering angle' ( para-phrasing ) is completely incorrect, what mite be happening is that it appears that way due to the exponential movement.
Now, I agree that the DS2 will be quicker for going lock to lock (obviously it's very difficult to put 900 degrees of turn in quickly without a truck-driver's spinner put onto the wheel), but it's SO much easier to consistantly put 180 degrees in(40% input), time after time, with the wheel so once you have the amount of turn required for each corner drummed into your head (and muscle memory) you will be more consistant than with the DS2.
That's my two-penneth's worth,
Neil
- 663
- South Africa
- GTP_geeTeye
I put a nice session in this evening, and have now realised that the sudden change from R5 tyres to RD/N3 is probably the reason why most of us were struggling. After reading earlier posts from Dion and Curtis etc., I definately agree that braking way earlier and setting the car up before the corner is the right way to do it.
I have one question though: what gear is everyone using to take the right hander just after "Degner Curve and just before T1?
@Neil: Thanks for the great image mate, printed and stuck on the wall already. 👍
Anyway, new split:
T1: 0'41.656
Later and thanks in advance ^^. 👍
I have one question though: what gear is everyone using to take the right hander just after "Degner Curve and just before T1?
@Neil: Thanks for the great image mate, printed and stuck on the wall already. 👍
Anyway, new split:
T1: 0'41.656
Later and thanks in advance ^^. 👍
- 2,756
- Carlisle,Cumbria,England!
- Ballstothewall1
^^^^^
No probs, quite enjoy finding and editing/making track-maps, plus if it helps someone....all the better.
I'm using 3rd with a slight dab for the first part of Degner, then down to 2nd with a dab for the second part, and back up to 3rd under the bridge!
Neil
No probs, quite enjoy finding and editing/making track-maps, plus if it helps someone....all the better.
I'm using 3rd with a slight dab for the first part of Degner, then down to 2nd with a dab for the second part, and back up to 3rd under the bridge!
Neil
- 2,756
- Carlisle,Cumbria,England!
- Ballstothewall1
Here's a tip for any that want to try it,
after 130r, and as soon as the gear indicator starts flashing, brake, start with a full foot-down brake and then feather the braking back to the point you can't hear the tyres squeeling.
You can then start turning in from the extreme left side of the track whilst still braking, and with very little, if any, understeer.
Neil
after 130r, and as soon as the gear indicator starts flashing, brake, start with a full foot-down brake and then feather the braking back to the point you can't hear the tyres squeeling.
You can then start turning in from the extreme left side of the track whilst still braking, and with very little, if any, understeer.
Neil
- 368
Heh - norm i compliment CFM on his combo, the track is good but the car is 
. Wish this was a tuner week, would of been fun to try to tune it to handle. 👍 👎 🤬
t1 41.944 not too bad but can see about another second off the time and about 1.3 to the finish
The west side short cut is a key corner to hit right and i still need lots of work here to improve my time.
The braking point and entry is critical because of the width of the track (1 lane wide? - you've got to be kidding me 
)
. Wish this was a tuner week, would of been fun to try to tune it to handle. 👍 👎 🤬 t1 41.944 not too bad but can see about another second off the time and about 1.3 to the finish
The west side short cut is a key corner to hit right and i still need lots of work here to improve my time.
The braking point and entry is critical because of the width of the track (1 lane wide? - you've got to be kidding me )
- 15,855
- QLD, Australia
- Small_Fryz
The ds2 does go to the optimal angle, when in a corner you can be full turning, but the wheels arnt at full angle, in a DFP you can have full turning and the wheels are at full angle!
thats why for quick turns the DS2 is better, but long gradual turns the DFP is better. This is also why the DFP wears out the front tyres more than a DS2, unless you are extremely skiled with DFP. you cannot make force understeer with DS2 (turning the wheels too much) with a DFP you can and the smoke then comes from the tyres.
thats why for quick turns the DS2 is better, but long gradual turns the DFP is better. This is also why the DFP wears out the front tyres more than a DS2, unless you are extremely skiled with DFP. you cannot make force understeer with DS2 (turning the wheels too much) with a DFP you can and the smoke then comes from the tyres.
- 1,111
- SHigSpeed
Small_Fryz
Very interesting! How about if you turn off "steering assist" in the menu? I think I am running "simulation" setup which would allow me to burn off front tires in understeer (what I'm experiencing), though I can turn on steering assist while still using DFP. I wonder if that would help or hurt?
Conversely, I can't remember, can you turn off steering assist on DS2?
ALL DFP DRIVERS: ARE YOU USING STEERING ASSIST OR NOT? MINI-POLL!!!
-SHig
