GT4 WRS Week 47 : "Three Diamonds Valley"
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Iceman
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At the site where I race for the BC most of the guys have got chipped PS2's that can play NTSC GT4 because of the discrepancies of advantages. I'll have to look around for one of the specific cars that is different between the versions but we have done a lot of testing and it is 99% sure that it is a problem. If you do have the chipped ps2 to play the PAL version you would get that advantage because it is part of the game and not the ps2.
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Board updated, I'll email you my PAL game save if you like SHig, it's hardly Uber but it serves me well 
Just PM me your email addy
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FilizolaT1- 22.947
T2- 41.904
It took me awhile to break '42, but a low '40? Unreal...I guess that's why I'm in Div. 3; there is no way I could come close to that time.
I hear you!
I'm in Div 3 also, and I've literally worked ALL WEEK to shave my T2 time down to the below-42 mark. (Yesterday, I finally posted a 22.730 T1 and a 41.556 T2) And that's after about two-hundred-fifty laps or so -- a couple of hours each day for three days...
So don't sweat it -- I think Holl01 is simply a freak of nature.
Either that or he's cheating. 20.177 and 40.353?! I think he straps a rocket to the back of the car, and ignites it down the front straight... I'm SURE I've read somewhere about a RocketStrapOnAndIgnite cheat code... 
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If it eases your mind at all the man is a freak of nature. You should become a member of GTRP and download his license replays, I think he has something like 79 of the 80 license records, he is not human
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I've been checking his WRS replays for almost 20 weeks now, and I've never seen a third wheel off or a contact with wall or AI. If you wonder what the best racing line is on any track, just take a look at one of his replays, he'll show it to you.Laurence5905I think Holl01 is simply a freak of nature.
When someone like you and me and many other check their replay for submission, they can see where they missed a braking, where they could have been faster, etc. They can spot half a dozen places where a few tenths could be saved. He doesn't because there is nothing wrong in the replay he's about to submit.
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Speaking of which, where do I get replays from past weeks? Are they posted somewhere, or do you keep them yourself just to check up on the racers?
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MisterWearyIf it eases your mind at all the man is a freak of nature. You should become a member of GTRP and download his license replays, I think he has something like 79 of the 80 license records, he is not human
What is GTRP? Is it on this forum somewhere?
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Tedehur
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Check the WRS Archive sub-forum : all old threads are gathered there. And in each results thread you can find the replays that racers have been posting.Laurence5905
I do download all of them and store everything on my PC, perhaps I'll make a single thread linking to all replays, but I don't have much time for that right now.
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MisterWearyThis is GTRP, it is another GT4 site that have a database of records, it's pretty comprehensive. If you've been thinking that it's hard to beat holl01, the fact no one else IN THE WORLD can do it may help you understand why
Just visited the site, and all I can say is WOW!! And he's using the DS2 controller!! That truly boggles the mind! The only license tests he doesn't hold the WORLD RECORD for are the A3 test (0.020 seconds behind 1st place), and the IB10 test (0.285 seconds behind 1st place). So, I'll stop comparing myself to him from now on... It's just not gonna be possible to beat this guy -- he's TRULY proven himself to be the best IN THE WORLD. That's truly AMAZING!
On a slightly different topic -- has anyone noticed, of the top ten drivers on each individual test, nearly 100% of them are PAL? I think you might see 3 out of 10, at the most, NTSC drivers in the top ten on some tests, but usually 2/10 or even 1/10 is the norm for NTSC drivers in the top ten... And it's VERY rare to see an NTSC driver in the top five -- I think I saw exactly ONE in the whole list... And some of the tests have all of the top 10 (in some cases the top 20!) drivers using PAL...
So is there an advantage to using PAL? Sounds like a very clear advantage to me... Being an NTSC PS2-owner, I'd like to formally express my outrage:
Of course, this is assuming that a relatively equal number of NTSC and PAL drivers have submitted their times -- I didn't count the totals of each... But it definitely seems like PAL has an advantage over NTSC... Not cool...
Tedehur
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GTRP is a german board.
Despite the fact the all the top drivers post their times here, it is mainly visited by german or german speaking people. I guess that accounts for the majority of PAL times.
And yeah, you definitely should stop comparing your times with Dan's. That only leads to depression
The WRS is conveniently split into 3 divisions : you qualified in div 3, so you'd better compare your times with your fellow div3-ers'. That'll be ok for a start.
Despite the fact the all the top drivers post their times here, it is mainly visited by german or german speaking people. I guess that accounts for the majority of PAL times.
And yeah, you definitely should stop comparing your times with Dan's. That only leads to depression
The WRS is conveniently split into 3 divisions : you qualified in div 3, so you'd better compare your times with your fellow div3-ers'. That'll be ok for a start.
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Well, I see results threads for Weeks 44 and earlier, but no results threads for weeks 45 and 46... I see the original Week 45 and 46 posts, but it doesn't appear that there's a separate posting from anyone that contains any replays...
So have the results from those weeks not been posted yet? They're on the leaderboard... I R Confused...
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Sorry Ben, you have lost me there buddy!
Do the guys have chipped ps2's to play the NTSC version, as in the 1st half of your comment............
.........or do they have the PAL version that you refer to in the second half?
Also the middle doesn't help much either!
Not being difficult, just can't work out if it's the beer and herbal painkiller interfering with my brain, or your post not making much sense!
But honestly Ben. I am interested in this subject, and wonder if there are any differences between the NTSC & NTSC (Japanese) version as well as between the NTSC & PAL versions
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I mixed words there because Shigspeed is NTSC and the guys at the other board are in native PAL regions. The guys from the other board are natively PAL and thus chipped their ps2s to be able to play the NTSC version of the game. If you are NTSC, you would chip your ps2 to play the PAL version of the game.
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Laurence5905
The results for Weeks 45 and 46 are still in the main thread, they haven't been archived yet. The best way to improve is take a few of Dan's replays and study his braking and accelerating and his lines, they are pinpoint perfect as flat-out said. You also mentioned that he is a DS2 user...he actually uses both and can quickly decide which controller is best for which situation...in short...compare yourself to people around your division, if we all compared ourselves to holl01 we'd all be pretty disappointed
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So are you saying that if as playerX you have a Pal console, get it chipped and play the NTSC version of the game, you(playerx) would have an advantage?
And Vicky Verkey?
Or does it only work one way?
I assume that it is to do with the display timing difference between PAL and NTSC.......
Neil
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Cyril, don't worry, I think that mite be my place this week.
Just not had the time to play!
Neil
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I quoted a article in the 46 thread about PAL vs. NTSC. Since PAL plays at 25 Frames per second it *might* translate as faster. NTSC plays at 30 FPS. But still one second is still one second whether your in NYC or Sydney... So I guess it goes back to the magic water they have down under
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ballstothewall
Well, the advantage is in the car. One version sometimes gets a car with an obvious advantage. The advantage to having both versions of the game is being able to use the better version of the car, whether it be on the PAL game or the NTSC game.
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Ahhh! Now I see, said the blind man!
Ta
It's down to which version has the better variant of the car for each track!
Cheers Ben
And Jake,
I agree, it's not likely to be down to coding changes, it's more likely down to the fact that US and EU cars from the same 'manufacturer' have different suspension parts and engines. Not only from different suppliers and countries, but also to different specs.
PD know this, and have varied the specs of the cars concerned, to suit. I presume?
Therefore, pick the 'right' variant of the same car, out of PAL or NTSC, to suit each combo!
Presto, instant advantage!
Cool! But slightly 'slim-shady'.
Neil
Ta
It's down to which version has the better variant of the car for each track!
Cheers Ben
And Jake,
I agree, it's not likely to be down to coding changes, it's more likely down to the fact that US and EU cars from the same 'manufacturer' have different suspension parts and engines. Not only from different suppliers and countries, but also to different specs.
PD know this, and have varied the specs of the cars concerned, to suit. I presume?
Therefore, pick the 'right' variant of the same car, out of PAL or NTSC, to suit each combo!
Presto, instant advantage!
Cool! But slightly 'slim-shady'.
Neil
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Well in Real life that makes sense but you think they actually change the cars for each version based on whether it was for the Euro or American market in the game? If I was working at Polyphony I would think once they make a car and settings for it that's it. It would seem like a lot of trouble to change each car for the different (pal/ntsc) format...
But alas, I have no idea, just trying to get an understanding of practicality...
