GT4 WRS Week 54 : "Mulsanne insane"

[Tyre King]

IMHO

Trying to do a 'drive-through' instead of a pit, is definately not in the spirit of the rules!
And to be thinking about it is a little underhanded, almost like moving the balls around on a pool table, while your mate goes to the loo.

Just not cricket old beans!

It is only a game after all is said and done, and a game played with friends at that.

Cyril will obviously have the last say on this subject, but that's my take on it.

Oh, and i'll have some splits later today for the board, might be from my submission time.
Not sure how much time I can put into this as I hate Motegi road,but have to do some qualifying for the JGTC.

Neil

 

[Tedehur]

We have to make at least one pit stop. A simple drive-thru without changing tyres or filling up the tank is not ok.

And if you're going for no tyre change and only one liter of fuel, perhaps you should consider another strategy and use softer compounds so that you can gain on the track the time you spend in the pits.



Edit :
About the poll, we have 28 votes so far. If all the people who voted submit a time I'll be pretty happy .
Yet, there's no obvious majority : 13 want a one-week deadline, 12 (8+4) want an extended deadline, 3 don't care. If there's no clear majority when the poll is closed in less than 12 hours, then I guess it'll be up to me to choose.

 

[Tyre King]

We have to make at least one pit stop. A simple drive-thru without changing tyres or filling up the tank is not ok.

And if you're going for no tyre change and only one liter of fuel, perhaps you should consider another strategy and use softer compounds so that you can gain on the track the time you spend in the pits.

Cyril,
It might be easier if you made it mandatory to have a tyre change, all 4!

That will remove any ambiguity or misinterpretations of the rules

Neil

 

[Tedehur]

Then all 4 tyres have to be replaced during the pit stop.

 

[goixoye]

Everytime I've showed up lately I've caused trouble...

To me this is a very interesting event and will be the first time in 2 or 3 months that I've played with GT. It's amazing how quickly my GT4 driving skills have diminished. Been playing TRD3 and most recently TT (bought a Yamaha MS-1 controller and a Logitech DFEX in an effort to avoid the DS2) so that has all played into my "diminished" driving skills. Tried the DFEX w/ GT4 but the year or so with the DFP/GT4 made me pull the DFEX out of the cockpit for at least this event. I was hoping to find one controller that might work for both, there's still hope in that regard but with TT the 270 degrees of rotation is problematic. I don't think the DFP even works with TT (it doesn't seem to recognize USB, the DFEX has both USB and a standard DS2 style connector) but if it did the 900 degrees of rotation would prove impossible to work with. Anyway I've digressed enough and on to the real point of my post.

As a very infrequent competitor I'm not sure that I'm allowed an opinion...

When I read the initial post (over-looked post #2 for additional "rules" - it sure would be helpful if everything was contained within one concise post) and saw that pit strategy was encouraged so I was intrigued. I noticed someone noted that RS/RS tires resulted in needing to pit once (at lap 4) so I tried that and then worked on a no pit strategy -- this cars is very slippery on tires that will allow you to go all 8 laps. I likely would have come to the conclusion that it's quicker to pit once than not at all.

Then I noticed post 2 which "requests" that we pit at least once. Made me wonder if that should have been stated as "required" because that's probably what it meant. So then I read the tail end of the thread (at this point) and noticed that sure enough a pit is "required". So now developing a tire/pit strategy is somewhat limited. I was coming to the conclusion that it would be overall quicker to pit than not to pit but I'm disappointed that now I'm "required" to pit even though I probably would have come to that conclusion anyway. Why not just leave it wide open and up to the individual? Developing the strategy is half the fun IMO. That's what makes TRD3 so much fun >> determining tire wear (diminished handling) / fuel limitations and balancing that against lap length and # of laps to decide when to pit. It's also fun to determine where to set the difficulty so that you create a challenging race that you can win IF you run a flawless race.

So IMO, in the future, multi-lap events should leave pit strategy to the individual. Personally what would be most attractive to me would be a multi-lap event that lasted about an hour with unspecified tire selection & pit strategy.

In this event with a pit "required" I suspect most of us will pit after lap 4 and probably end up using the same tires. The only other choice might be running a 6/2 or 5/3 (or 2/6 or 3/5) pit sequence and changing the tire selection accordingly during the pit.

I was able to run 6 laps on a RSS/RS combination and then switch to RSS/RSS for the final 2 but I suspect the "quickest" race is going to be on RSS/RS and pitting on lap 4...I don't think I can stretch the RSS tires for 3 laps but the RS tires seem to have 5 good laps and one careful lap in them. But as my skills come back around maybe faster laps on the RSS/RS combination will only allow 4 laps?

 

[Casio]

Not that it matters, because it's not allowed anymore. But my '1 litre fuel' time is 40 seconds slower then my 1-tyre stop time. And my 1-tyre stop time had plenty of mistakes.

My fastest lap on my 1-tyre stop time (RM/RM) is 6 seconds faster then my '1 litre' time. (RSH/RSH). You only lose about 30 seconds stopping, but you gain that back in 5 laps. Also, my first lap running RSH/RSH was 17 seconds slower then my RM/RM, because of the fact they take the whole lap to heat up.

It might be easier if you made it mandatory to have a tyre change, all 4!

Who would change 2?! You have 4 pit people, it takes as long to change 4 as it does to change 2. If anyone is even thinking about only changing 2 tyres they need to get their head checked.

 

[holl01]

simply, the best way to successfully complete this combo is to set this up like so

ai at 10 (and on hard)
ur tires soft/medium (this combo is definitely substantially faster than medium/medium, even if ur just gliding around the track comfortably, the fron tires respond nicely in the high speed section, allowing u to ever so slightly drift the car in some areas, and avoid the understeer demon (although there are certain parts of the course that require u to have all four tires gripped to the road to avoid snapping it viscously, like that fast right 1 corner b4 T5, and most of the high speed section.

ai passing technique/stradegy

pass the old 70's toyota on the inside of the chickane as u easily take the left at 110, get a run up on the blue car as u exit the right component of the chickane, u should try and get some decent exit speed so u can then attempt to pass the little gillete super yellow car on the inside of the left, then idle it for a moment and then take the next bastar d down the inside in 4th as u exit the right kink then u can just idle it again as u veer off and then power out in 4th at 180 and pass the last car on the inside of the right that leads to the long straight, have a coffee as u drive down the first half of the straight, and then make a piece of toast as u make ur way down the next half, then brake (400km top speed btw) a wee bit b4 the right kink in the road, and take the right at 95ish, nice and easy, then the right kink can safely be done at 265 in 6th, then the left at 110ish, and then punch the bastard in 2nd as u brake directly at the junction/meeting of the grass and the sand. 80km/h, the high speed section can be done all in 5th, initially at 235 (not really 100percenting the throttle at this first right as sometimes the front tires bite and can unexpectably snap the car, then the left at 240, then 250 for next left, then 210ish, as u half throttle it, then 210ish again, then for the chickane, stay in 4th, as u brake 2.34 metres b4 the rumble strip on the right, and take it smoothly at 150ish, then the last can be taken in 3rd at 140, not being too aggressive. i did a hot lap of 3'04.155 with this setup on my second lap once. i have completed 1 race so far, which was clean yet highly untidy [hot lap T1 description- chickane can be intitally taken at 125ish for the left, then full throttle it on exit, then the left chuck it in 3rd at 150, and the right at 195 in 4th.] u dont meet up with the ai again, even though 2 of them pit. u will come close to an encounter on the last lap of the race, close as in 10 secs away. well i hope this helps anyone- cheeeeeeers

 

[Tedehur]

As a very infrequent competitor I'm not sure that I'm allowed an opinion...

Right. This ain't no democracy so I'll delete your post because you haven't submitted a time in the past 10 weeks so you shouldn't post in here.
Heil myself.




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Hey, that ^ was a joke
Of course you are allowed to post your opinion. It'll always be welcome and appreciated 👍

Then I noticed post 2 which "requests" that we pit at least once. Made me wonder if that should have been stated as "required" because that's probably what it meant.

Indeed. I have corrected my posts.

In this event with a pit "required" I suspect most of us will pit after lap 4 and probably end up using the same tires. The only other choice might be running a 6/2 or 5/3 (or 2/6 or 3/5) pit sequence and changing the tire selection accordingly during the pit.

Anyway, an 8-lapper doesn't leave much choices to racers.
Each pit stop costs about 30 seconds but the race is only 25 to 30 minutes long. It's easy to save 30 seconds on the track by using softer compounds, but saving 1 minute (ie, 2 pit-stops) is pretty difficult.
That means everybody will pit only once, which leaves only the 5 possibilities you mention : 6/2, 5/3, 4/4, 3/5 or 2/6.

I"m still wondering how much slipstream can affect the strategy. With AI on +10, you can slipstream them all the way through Mulsanne straight, which sort of makes up for the cold tyres. Would it be possible to find an AI setting where you can slipstream again later in the race ?

I like the idea of a longer event with multiple pit stops (thus, on a shorter track). This race is a sort of test since we've never raced that long in the WRS. If it's successful (ie, appreciated), I'll try and do this more often.

 

[Tyre King]

The best way that I have found to do this race is with the AI set to +10 and super-softs!

Me on either RM/RM or RS/RM's (still playing with that)

Full blast till the Dunlop curve and brake down to 3rd once past it and in a straight line.
Get right up the arse of the 390 at the entry to the 1st chicane, and past him on the exit(before the bridge), catch up to the toyota 7 at the next left (the Esses) but stay behind him till T1. Fade out left, slight brake and take 3rd and then nail it out onto the straight (overtaking the 7 on the outside as you do so) be sure to change up to 4th in time (I sometimes miss it and bounce off the rev limiter)
Stay out left till the 1st junction and then drift right and get into the slipstream of the first 3 cars.
Slipstream up to them (around 230-236mph) and blast past/through them BEFORE where the L'arche chicane is (about .9 sec infront by then, as the T2 counter goes)
Bttw until the Mulsanne curve slight brake and down 1, straighten up then down 2 or 3 more (depends on how late you brake)for the mulsanne corner and T4 in 1'46-7ish and almost 3 secs infront now.
Blast down to the right sweeper B4 Indianapolis (take it in 5th, VERY little or no brake, and coast) down to 3rd for Indianapolis, 4th then 2nd for Arnage.
Blast down to the Porche curve and take it in 4th with the gear indicator flashing, stay in 4th for the New Maison Blanche but be careful on the last left.
Blast down the the Ford chicanes and do what you want! Me I still find it hard to cut them as much as I would like.

The AI pit a LOT, but the only time you meet up with two of them is 1: on the run down to Indianapolis and you can slipstream him to the sweeper and pass B4 indianapolis & 2: on the last lap you might catch up to 2nd place man between New Maison Blanche and the Ford chicanes, again an easy pass.
Fin!

Neil

 

[Jake]

It's an avator changing party!

 

[Tyre King]

Who would change 2?! You have 4 pit people, it takes as long to change 4 as it does to change 2. If anyone is even thinking about only changing 2 tyres they need to get their head checked.

Depends on what compounds you have on, but yeah I see your point Brad.

In BTTC (R/L) they only change the fronts most of the time. I didn't check to see if there is a time difference to changing 2 or four, I was only pointing out to Cyril that if he wanted to stop the potential ambiguity or misinterpretation of the rule, then stipulating an 'all 4' tyre change would be the simplest way of doing it.

Neil

 

[Thotozam AZ-1]

I had a go last night...
Ran a bunch of laps, but not one without having to roll through the pits (most laps I spun and hit the wall a few turns after T6, but I had a clean lap that put me in the pits as well)...so my best lap so far is a 2'50.xxx with a "penalty" pit. So I'm not exactly happy.

Tried RS/RS on 380 gearing...

Going to try RS/RM because of excessive rear tire wear

Overall, great combo...I love LeMans

 

[Clemi_uk]

...i did a hot lap of 3'04.155

so my best lap so far is a 2'50.xxx with a "penalty" pit.

CoolGeekZ did you manage the imposible & fit NOS in arcade mode?

 

[Laurence5905]

Then all 4 tyres have to be replaced during the pit stop.

I've been changing all four tires at the end of lap 4, but I have NOT been taking on any fuel. Are we required to get any fuel during the pit stop?

 

[Laurence5905]

so my best lap so far is a 2'50.xxx with a "penalty" pit. So I'm not exactly happy.

I do hope that's your best T6 time, and not your best complete-lap time. There's just no way this car can do this track that quickly -- the best complete-lap time I've seen on here has been 3'04.xxx. My personal best complete-lap time is somewhere around 3'09.xxx.

 

[Tedehur]

I've been changing all four tires at the end of lap 4, but I have NOT been taking on any fuel. Are we required to get any fuel during the pit stop?

No.

Did you notice the 'Edit' button which enables you to put all your text into one single post instead of posting again and again. Much more readable IMO.

 

[Tyre King]

Ok, here are my splits, as promised!

All T6's laps 1,3,5,7

L1 2'47.992
L3 2'41.670
L5 2'42.457 ( Had a bad Mulsanne corner, got hypnotised on the straight )
L7 2'40.351

Total is 10'52.470

Fastest lap was 3'08.578 on the final lap!

Top of the leaderboard for me!!!!!!!















Allright, the leaderboard is set up for pitting on L4, I didn't! I pitted on L5, my L6 time was 3'07.373.

If you replace my L5 time with my L6 time, then I will be top of Div 2 with a total of 11'17.386!
Nearly 9 seconds clear of the other D2er's and only .4 behind D1!

Hoorah for me for a change!

Neil

 

[Super T]

Wow, us div 2 guys are close so far! (both of us?). Bit more practice and I might move up a position on the leaderboard. 👍

 

[Tyre King]

^^^^^ Ahem!


Sorry just clearing my throat!

Neil

 

[MisterWeary]

Nice work Balls, pretty sure you'll have me too cos my splits are deceptive.

Board Updated

 

[celeron_266]

nice work D2 guys....keep up the good work and get to the top of the board!!!!!

 

[Jake]

I've been changing all four tires at the end of lap 4, but I have NOT been taking on any fuel. Are we required to get any fuel during the pit stop?

I didn't even know you can set it to only change 2 tires. How do you do that??

 

[Casio]

I didn't even know you can set it to only change 2 tires. How do you do that??

When you get to the pit selection thingy. You can choose what compound you want or 'keep current'. So for example you could choose Racing:Soft for rear, and 'Keep Current' for the front, and only the rears would be changed.

But like I said before, there is no reason for doing this, as it takes exactly the same time to change 2 tyres as it does to change all 4.

 

[shockwaveracing]

i will see if i can find anoth 5 - 10 seconds today, should be able to if i get my act together, dunno if i have another 6 hours to spare on getting it right though...

 

[Laurence5905]

Well, I finally got another clean race to post splits from... Must've gotten lucky on my first race -- it was easy, and clean. But I've not been able to get another clean race 'till just now...

T1: 2'46.539
T3: 2'41.366
T5: 3'08.721 (with pit-stop)
T7: 2'43.070
TOTAL: 11'19.696

So, a bit over 2.5 seconds behind Balls... I think I can improve upon that.

 

[MisterWeary]

Just so people know, I've got a spreadsheet that works out total time etc so don't fret about working out totals.

Board Updated 👍

 

[steven]

chers amis,
since i've got a week off in france coming up (cyril where are you?) i'm not going to put anymore effort into trying to get clean laps. for someone in my league that's more difficult than a lot of you aces might think.
so i hope 54 will be a 2 week thing and i can compete in 55 when i return the 7th.
i will come near magnycours but race past in my borrowed passat 4wd towards our little cot in the auvergne.
a bientot

 

[goixoye]

Are you guys able to drive this thing "competitively" without TCS/ASM? I was driving the car "raw" and was having a great deal of difficulty finessing the car around the track and was struggling to get lap times anywhere close to everybody else. On difficulty of 8 the CLK was leaving me in the dust.

Then I turned on TCS/ASM and all of a sudden I was trading 1st with the CLK and lap times dropped significantly.

On lap 4 I was following the CLK into the pits (to me the "spirt" of the competition should make it a fair race with the AI, so I had them running RS tires like me...so the CLK was using the same pit strategy I was) he slowed more quickly than I was ready for and I smacked him in the rear. I drew the penalty and had to take a trip down pit lane and then run lap 5 on worn tires and pitted for real after lap 5. I lost to the CLK by 13ish seconds so I made up some ground. I was running on Difficulty 8 so with difficulty 9 or 10 I may have a drafting partner. I obviously plan to rerun this as I can definately improve my time by not taking the penalty trip down pit lane.

So 2 questions: 1) Would the unintentional bump going into pit lane "disqualify" the attempt? 2) Would minor / incidental contact resulting from continuous nose to tail drafting down the Mulsanne "disqualify" the attempt? (I may find that this results in a penalty anyway).

It seems that since I've been away the contact rules have been relaxed relative to incidental / involuntary contact.

 

[Clemi_uk]

Just got my DFP delivered ...so excited i can't seem to go in a straight line but its all good!!!

Now all i need is to build myself a rig for this beast (had to change to 60% FFB but will return to 100 in due time )

Had a go at this weeks race with it, but i'm afraid it takes sum gettin' use to so not even sure i'll post times this
week as i'm not going back to DS2 and not yet fast with DFP... & i think it's still a 7day race

L8R

 

[shockwaveracing]

Are you guys able to drive this thing "competitively" without TCS/ASM? I was driving the car "raw" and was having a great deal of difficulty finessing the car around the track and was struggling to get lap times anywhere close to everybody else. On difficulty of 8 the CLK was leaving me in the dust.

Then I turned on TCS/ASM and all of a sudden I was trading 1st with the CLK and lap times dropped significantly.

not using either TCS or ASM, just too slow with it, and to be honest the car doesnt need it...

i was well past the CLK by T2 (about a second), and i found very little difference between the AI being on any tyre combo. even on the RS tyres the CLK only kept within a second and then he was gone, when i was on RM's, (the AI is pretty dense to be honest)