GT5 2.0.2 Disappointment Thread - Read post 123 first

[cutnrun22]

Guess this is not the best forum to have a debate about GT5's shortcomings..

This whole forza / gt5 fanboy attitude that has developed, makes any serious forum thread non existent.

I have and play both games.. Now i do prefer forza 4, but that dont mean i dont like gt5... Gt5 fanboys say forza is crap, yet if the sound of forza was in gt5, they would be wetting themselves...

Just play the games for what they are... Strength / weakness aside.. These games need each other to make the developers aspire to better things.. Imagine what a forza/gt5 love child would be lol

Then again, maybe the fanboys would'nt ever let that happen...

couple of things...
Kaz, we need backfire sounds!!... Antilag, not just a flash of flame...
and also setting to change FOV, so we can get that sense of speed ;0)

 

[Brend]

To all of the people being massive hypocrites and entering this thread just to complain about its existence, explain to me how removing a good amount of the single player events in a game whose most frequent complaint is lack of events (including the only events offline where you can use two of the cars in the game) is a good thing.

Don't be a smartass and look up "Seasonal" in the dictionary. Don't throw out facile nonsense along the lines of "well, just play online then." Don't talk about how it was a "bonus" for PD to actually leave something that made the game better in the game, because that was a dumb excuse the last three times people have used it to defend PD making changes to the game that did nothing but make it worse for some people. Don't say "just wait until more Seasonals show up." Don't say "look at all the other stuff PD did."



Explain to me, in simple terms, why people should be happy that there are now considerably less things to do in Single Player for this game.

Considering you decided to eliminate so many of the reasons PD did do this I find it hilarious you try and act fictitious and neutral.

What you are saying is we shouldn't be happy because they removed events, how does THAT make sense? I got improvements and as far as Seasonals go it's a drawback not something that shouldn't make me unhappy and cry about it. I move on, like I do with every game that has shortcomings not horrific 2012 bringing gamebreakers. I can't wait for the forthcoming smartass comment to tell me why I shouldn't be happy about this update. After all, it's not amazing but it sure as hell hasn't made the game any less enjoyable for me personally.

An important part in this. personally, if other people do think this is something that makes the update irrelevant, unlucky for them. I, on the other hand, think it's fine.

 

[Scaff]

I'm going to make this quite simple.

Those who post in here simply to attack other who hold a different point of view will find that the will loose the ability to post on GT Planet for a few days (and if they then repeat that behaviour then they will lose it for good).

If you want to post in here then discuss the points at hand, simply because someone is disappointed in a particular feature does not make them a 'hater', 'troll' or anything else.

In closing do not test the staffs patience in this area.


Scaff

 

[HuskyGT]

Anyway, I just wanted to contribute to this thread and say that not everything is as bad as it might seem to be.

The chase cam is not really that bad. It actually feels awesome, better than other dynamic cams in games like NFS or such.

The inability to change wheels in some cars is no surprise. If I remember well, it was not possible to change wheels on the Caterham in GT4 either.

As for the deletion of seasonals, I have to agree. That was a bad move...

 

[tfed]

Whiners gonna whine,haters gonna hate.

 

[Scaff]

Whiners gonna whine,haters gonna hate

You get the benefit of time lag when posting, do this again (and this applies to anyone) and you get a two day ban.

Read post 123.

This was expected. But there is something called freedom of speech...

You might want to look up the exact definition of freedom of speech and when it applies (big clue - its not forums), the AUP is what counts here and in particular this bit applies right now:

You will, if asked by a representative of the forums, cease posting any content.

Scaff

 

[tfed]

You get the benefit of time lag when posting, do this again (and this applies to anyone) and you get a two day ban.

Read post 123.

Scaff

????,confused. PM i suppose

 

[Scaff]

????,confused. PM i suppose

Read my post again (number 123) and then (via PM) tell me exactly what it added to the topic that is supposedly under discussion here.

The simple answer is that your post adds nothing to the discussion, but it does fan the flames of off topic arguments.

If you (or any other member for that matter) can't post on-topic and with respect for other members then they will lose the ability to post for a few days.


Scaff

 

[HuskyGT]

what they need to give us is a adjustable cockpit view that is more dynamic..

I was thinking the exact same thing:tup:

That new camera is awesome in chase, but it would look better in cockpit. I just hope they add an on/off switch so people that are susceptible to getting sick can play without worries. This would be the perfect replacement for the vibration that we've always had in cockpit.

 

[tfed]

Nevermind,this getting blown way out of proportion.

 

[Brend]

A fully adjustable camera would be pretty awesome.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Post 123 on what? Stickies?

Wow. Here:

I'm going to make this quite simple.

Those who post in here simply to attack other who hold a different point of view will find that the will loose the ability to post on GT Planet for a few days (and if they then repeat that behaviour then they will lose it for good).

If you want to post in here then discuss the points at hand, simply because someone is disappointed in a particular feature does not make them a 'hater', 'troll' or anything else.

In closing do not test the staffs patience in this area.

Scaff

Summary: If you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation then don't add anything.


I am disappointed with the updated racing sounds. I was really hoping for more than just increased crowd and wind volume. But I guess that's my own fault for setting my sights too high.

 

[Tornado]

Considering you decided to eliminate so many of the reasons PD did do this I find it hilarious you try and act fictitious and neutral.

When the claim being made is that people should not have a problem with the removal of so many of the Seasonal Events, anything that does not have to do with why people should not have a problem with the removal of the Seasonal Events is a red herring argument. Which means that all of those things that I excluded as "not being reasons people should be alright with the events being removed" actually fall under the category of "not being reasons people should be alright with the events being removed."


You need to ask yourself some hard questions before you bitch at the people who have a problem with all of those Seasonals going away:

• Does PD sticking to the definition of the word "seasonal" somehow make it so removing the events was a positive change for the game?
• Does PD leaving them in for a while as a sort of "bonus" somehow make it so removing the events was a positive change for the game?
• Does telling people to play online instead somehow make it so removing the events was a positive change for the game?
• Does waiting for new Seasonals somehow make it so removing the events was a positive change for the game?

Since to answer to all of those questions is "no" because none of those things have anything at all to do with the actual complaint; yes, I am being neutral about it.

What you are saying is we shouldn't be happy because they removed events, how does THAT make sense?

No. What I am saying is that people who don't have a problem with PD removing large quantities of events from the game better damn well give a reason why them not caring should apply to others who do care.



So far, I've only seen one person (diegorborges) who has actually attempted to do so by postulating that the removal of the events may have been required for the new system they use; whereas everyone else has attempted to say that the complaints about the Seasonal removal aren't valid for reasoning that is irrelevant to the complaint.

 

[tfed]

Im for seasonal removal. Get the old dinosaurs outta there. Gimmie some new dynamic seasonels. I.e. stars and strips

 

[leepangfu]

Only disappointment so far is the removal of the Seasonals. Great update apart from that.

I liked the F1 races. But I'm not worried. I'm sure they will release a lot of new ones or bring back the old ones. Maybe they needed to adjust some things to them or something.

 

[Brend]

• Does PD sticking to the definition of the word "seasonal" somehow make it so removing the events was a positive change for the game?
• Does PD leaving them in for a while as a sort of "bonus" somehow make it so removing the events was a positive change for the game?
• Does telling people to play online instead somehow make it so removing the events was a positive change for the game?
• Does waiting for new Seasonals somehow make it so removing the events was a positive change for the game?

Since to answer to all of those questions is "no" because none of those things have anything at all to do with the actual complaint; yes, I am being neutral about it.



No. What I am saying is that people who don't have a problem with PD removing large quantities of events from the game better damn well give a reason why them not caring should apply to others who do care.



So far, I've only seen one person (diegorborges) who has actually attempted to do so by postulating that the removal of the events may have been required for the new system they use; whereas everyone else has attempted to say that the complaints about the Seasonal removal aren't valid for reasoning that is irrelevant to the complaint.

1. No, The bonus was a bonus in the first place, my guess is they couldn't be bothered thinking up loads of new events for every week so they left them in. Now we have new names and logos it suggests they have loads more new events to try.

2. No, it doesn't make it positive and I doubt anyone here has worded it in such a way they are happy they are gone, most people just anticipated them disappearing after being there for so long. PS should have given us notice and I have no idea why they wouldn't but like I said, the disappearance of said events doesn't make me really angry.

3. I want to know where you think people are thinking removing stuff is positive? So once again it's a big NO. Telling people to play online is a suggestion of something to do in the game.

4. Had to read that one a few times, and realized it's the same point you stretched over at least 2 of the "separate" points above.

And that last part could be used on both sides of the argument.

 

[Tornado]

I want to know where you think people are thinking removing stuff is positive?

Because when the original statement is that GT5 is worse with those events removed, anyone who says that complaint is wrong must prove that GT5 is better (or at least no different) with them gone.


Several people have made the contention that the complaint is invalid in the form of the many, many posts Scaff just said to stop making; but only one person has actually attempted to give an explanation for why that may be the case. Everyone else has either said nothing or posted reasoning (which I have been outlining) that is irrelevant.

Had to read that one a few times, and realized it's the same point you stretched over at least 2 of the "separate" points above.

Have you actually read through the thread? I didn't make those up, nor did I "stretch" anything out. People actually expressed them as separate reasoning in defense of the Seasonal removal.

And that last part could be used on both sides of the argument.

No it can't. There is no way to prove that anything is gained from removing the events.

 

[Brend]

Because when the original statement is that GT5 is worse with those events removed, anyone who says that complaint is wrong must prove that GT5 is better (or at least no different) with them gone.


Several people have made the contention that the complaint is invalid in the form of the many, many posts Scaff just said to stop making; but only one person has actually attempted to give an explanation for why that may be the case. Everyone else has either said nothing or posted reasoning (which I have been outlining) that is irrelevant.


Have you actually read through the thread? I didn't make those up, nor did I "stretch" anything out. People actually expressed them as separate reasoning in defense of the Seasonal removal.


No it can't. There is no way to prove that anything is gained from removing the events, as events could have been added in addition to the old ones like PD had been doing; and if there was a technical reason for it PD should have stated it.

One single thing(unless it is a glitch and/or exploit) can't make a game worse overall, it can be taken as a small negative as it has by me and many others. It in no way defines if GT5 is better or worse off overall.

You expect PD to have interaction with the fanbase to that extent? You do realize this is PD we are talking about?

 

[CodeRedR51]

My only disappointment: I didn't have enough time after the update last night to put wheels on all my standard cars before I had to go to bed.

 

[leepangfu]

My only disappointment: I didn't have enough time after the update last night to put wheels on all my standard cars before I had to go to bed.

Yeah PD should fix the ''end of the world in 2012'' glitch so I have the time to do that. Think I have about 900 of them

 

[Tornado]

One single thing(unless it is a glitch and/or exploit) can't make a game worse overall, it can be taken as a small negative as it has by me and many others. It in no way defines if GT5 is better or worse off overall.

Very few people have been arguing this (pretty much indefensible position) as being the case. Even the thread dedicated to the topic simply states in the OP that removing them damaged the already-weak A-Spec, which is quite different from saying that GT5 as a whole is inferior compared to how it was in 2.01.

 

[Kobooi]

One single thing(unless it is a glitch and/or exploit) can't make a game worse overall, it can be taken as a small negative as it has by me and many others. It in no way defines if GT5 is better or worse off overall.

Until last night I could take my favorite car (tuned Toyota MR-S, as I owned one IRL) to quite a number of events - because the A-spec was finally reaching a decent size.
Today -when it comes to finding a race event- I am back to where I was almost a year ago. I select a car, and then I find no or just one meaningful event in regular A-spec that I can enter (for some of my favorites it's Clubman level again).

Anyone who is not affected, will not see this as a negative, not even a small negative. For me it's a major setback. Even if my MR-S or SLK have nice wheels now.

The fact that Kaz recognized A-spec is too small, is contradictory to what he did in the upgrade. I would think that would at least raise a question even for the people who are not affected, but apparently the "Thank you Kaz" crowd on the forum is not interested in that question and also doesn't want anyone else to ask the question.

 

[urmie]

I was surprised they removed the other seasonal events, but I figured since they now offer a reward ticket for all-golded ones, that would result in alot of tickets in your queue (assuming you golded all those), but then having all those rewards is a bad thing? Not sure, that's the only thing I could come up with.

If they release more tracks/cars, I would like to see an "A-Spec: Season 2" kinda patch.

 

[JamboGT]

I imagine the Seasonals will be replaced over time with different tracks and regulations.

 

[johnnutz]

This is the first time I've posted in one of these threads. I'm really disappointed by the removal of so many seasonal events. Some of my favorite events in the game are gone now. It's like there's less game now.

 

[anastasis14]

I'm going to make this quite simple.

Those who post in here simply to attack other who hold a different point of view will find that the will loose the ability to post on GT Planet for a few days (and if they then repeat that behaviour then they will lose it for good).

If you want to post in here then discuss the points at hand, simply because someone is disappointed in a particular feature does not make them a 'hater', 'troll' or anything else.

In closing do not test the staffs patience in this area.


Scaff

you mean something like this

Any I'm disappointed by the chase cam changes.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Good way to get yourself banned, sir.

 

[anastasis14]

Good way to get yourself banned, sir.

Why, I'm just saying that I'm disappointed by the chase camera view, now every little impact moves the camera like it is on the car I got to get used to the hood camera, seems most suitable for me. But everything else is a great addition and there is no need for all the moaning we have around here. Such great things by PD are getting ruined, according to some, by some minor details

 

[blauster654]

To think I got all excited for this. I expected a bit more choice with the wheels but that standard or so 20 is just a joke. Cant understand why the "alternative" muscle car choice wheels aren't available to, er, standard muscle cars.

Not to worry though, I now have the option of going to the "dark side"

 

[Crumpet]

I have nothing to say, as it's taken 6 hours to install the update and it's only at 60%..