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I meant Fanatec...
LOL.

If Microsoft can get the Kinect cracked, we'll only need to think in Russian to get our cars to do what we want...
Try Arabic...

Hail the Almighty LORDvonPS3, King of all Mortals! Obey his power of explanation the unexplainable <snip>
Well... That would be a nice start! :sly:

I'm humbly forwarding you to mine 2009 post on NeoGaf regarding this particular issue where yourhighness can witness the further claims of Logitech developers regarding whole XID/HID bullcrap decisions made by Microsoft regarding X360 - and the problems of it's implementations.

I humbly hope that my small intrusion will not upset your highfull stances!

With kindest regards from one small mortal I remain deeply hopeful for your divine nudge!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15859760&postcount=1

Yes, as I said - force feedback would be broken and so this would require emulation... With kindest regards Amar, the answer is in your own post...

MS is using a special USB and input protocol (XID) but more important they decided to use a completely different method of generating FF effects. On the PC or PS3 FF effects are created in the console and the console only sends out Force commands to the motor (left, right and how strong). This consumes some CPU power. Therefore MS decided to put a lot of pre-defined FF commands into the IC of the wheel and the console sends something like ("play FF effect #24" = "shaking while driving over rough surface").

That it's using a XID protocol isn't a major problem as that's just protocol conversion.

If then - basic functions (i.e. steer / accel / brake - not FFB) are working with a connected HID wheel, you now need to send it different commands for FFB. Perhaps it would 'feel' different to playing with a generic Microsoft wheel - as you may not have the same range of "commands" but it would be possible to do some emulation in software - if Microsoft & Turn 10 wanted to spend the time and effort developing it. To argue it's not possible at all in software really is quite stupid. PS3+GT5P supports HID devices and pretty good FFB, so clearly it is not the amount of controller chatter Vs CPU load creating a problem (in fact - I find this laughable)!

In the end, what's the point in Microsoft doing all this extra work when they have a solution & can make money out of selling it both to gamers and manufacturers? At least you acknowledge that Logitech isn't willing to pay up - yet. If and when Logitech does - the wheel will cost you more and Microsoft will make a small cut on selling their solution.

We'll see if manufacturers are forced to change their minds if (and then when) Microsoft dominates this market. Microsoft can afford to keep paying out large license fees and attracting gamers. Console device manufacturers already aren't happy paying but if they've got no other choice they'll do it and they'll charge you for the privilege.
 
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I'm glad you find that funny. I find it ironic that you appear to care so much about a moderator apparently violating the AUP he enforces by indulging in off-topic conversation, yet you think nothing of trolling this topic by challenging that moderator's authority in the manner you just did there. :rolleyes:


Well to be honest I do think he has a point. Because Famine thinks does not make Famine right, nor does being an Admin, Mod or God for that matter exclude you or your decisions or actions being brought into question.

Discretion is a great thing for somebody that has power over somebody else not when it is used to suit bolster or aid and an opinion.

Also, the fact that Famine assumed that nobody cares about BCB's view is quite wrong, and surprising to be honest. To make rash unfounded assumptions and to hold such little regard for views and opinion of members is naive and arrogant and very un humble of famine, seeing as he not long came back from a nice holiday, involving a sit down with Kaz, and some time playing GT5 demo courtesy of GTplanets members, including myself.

Too much smart ass aggrogance in these forums, to often perpetrated by members that should no better.
 
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I don't see them as monopoly when there are alternatives. You can go about your life without paying them a cent, as you decided to do.
Well, it doesn't matter what you "see" or "feel" or "think," it only matters what is true.

True, you don't have to buy a Windoze PC. You can buy a Mac, which I believe is a far superior platform. You can buy or build a PC, and use an alternative OS such as Linux. But look at what you suddenly get involved in.

  • Compatibility limitations, lots of them.
  • Headaches, unless you're a Linux wizard. Linux is coming along, but it's far from plug n play, and support isn't widespread with most software or hardware. Most of the time, you have to hope there's a FAQ addressing your issue, or a friendly ear awake on a message board.
  • Limited internet access, limited content access.
Microsoft really has the computer world about wrapped up, and hardly anyone sees this as a good thing if they manage to pull this off in the gaming and entertainment world too.

As for not paying anything to M$ directly, I hope! Indirectly though, I'm quite doubtful. It's clear to me if not to you that Microsoft is patent "land grabbing." I guess the royalty fee MS began demanding from anyone who had content on random access memory using their table system system escaped your notice...

My point is that they (SONY) try (very hard, granted) to be one, and are all about the money, and that can be said to most major manufacturers. They (M$) have just been more successful at it. (edited for clarity)
You're going to have to give me some indication of how "very hard" SONY is trying to become a monopoly. For instance, rather than coming up with a convoluted scheme to patent illuminated flat screen displays, say for PC monitors and TVs, they not only allow Samsung to make their own TVs, they buy their flat screen displays from them. Or say, 3D technology. Has SONY come up with some twisted legal method to have everyone who makes a 3D device give them a royalty for it? No. What about movie houses? Or music companies? Is Virgin giving SONY Music any money? Are the other movie companies being squashed by SONY/Columbia? Hardly.

Now, when you buy a CD, you are paying a hefty fee. Some does go to SONY/Philips because they did invent the format after all. But the fee I'm talking about is to the music industry, the RIAA, because of rampant music copying. This goes way back to the creation of the cassette, because the music industry saw it as a threat to vinyl record sales, since albums could be copied with essentially no loss of quality.

Now in a sense I agree with you, in that SONY Corp is a money hungry beast, and would love to end up being a monopoly. But working to be one? No evidence whatsoever.

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- Why do you think GT is a PS exclusive, and not cross platform?
(and I still believe they delayed GT in March to sell 3D Tvs as well)
Do I really need to answer this?? ;)

There is this thing known as the "exclusive," which every system maker needs to make their platform desirable. This is what Halo was going to be for the Mac, before M$ doled out suitcases of money.

Where was Sonic before the SEGA hardware division died?

Where is Mario?

Now I'm sure that there's a SONY suit somewhere who would love to come up with a wild, insanely involved way to make Gran Turismo the only racing game you can buy for any platform, unless you pay some kind of tidy sum to SONY to make a game in which cars go around a track. The day that happens is the day I live in fear of two global megacorporations. I will add though that EA does make me nervous at times...

As for 3D delaying GT5, I sincerely doubt it. Otherwise, you'd have had GT5/PS3 bundles with 3D Bravias this summer.

Anyhow, this discussion is absorbing too much of my time. Think what you want, you have free will.

Your math is off because it is assuming that one team is only working on one car at a time. Say a team has 10 members. Member one completes his part on a car and passes it to member two and then starts on a new car while member two begins his part of the car he just received. So, one team is working on the same number of cars as there are team members. A 10 member team is working on 10 cars (possibly more) at once.

Think of an assembly line in a car factory. One car might take a week to build, but they don't just build one car at a time and hundreds roll out every day.
One more drabble.

I don't think the car modelers work on an assembly line basis. I could be wrong. What I suspect is that the super-skilled modelers work on the cars, and each one has a list of cars to model. Those with more mortal skills are in the track and assorted asset building teams. Whatever the deal is though, I'm in awe of the work they've done, and am going to spend even more time gawking at their work as I drive leisurely around their tracks as I did in GT4 and Prologue.
 
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Well to be honest I do think he has a point. Because Famine thinks does not make Famine right, nor does being an Admin, Mod or God for that matter exclude you or your decisions or actions being brought into question.

That's why even moderators have a report button next to their posts.

Discretion is a great thing for somebody that has power over somebody else not when it is used to suit bolster or aid and an opinion.

Sure. Point out where I 've exercised any special mod powers in this thread recently.

Also, the fact that Famine assumed that nobody cares about BCB's view is quite wrong, and surprising to be honest. To make rash unfounded assumptions and to hold such little regard for views and opinion of members is naive and arrogant and very un humble of famine, seeing as he not long came back from a nice holiday, involving a sit down with Kaz, and some time playing GT5 demo courtesy of GTplanets members, including myself.

*shrug*

Perhaps you care about the view of someone who goes on the internet to say how little the internet matters, but you'd be in a minority.

Refund issued.


Too much smart ass aggrogance in these forums, to often perpetrated by members that should no better.

And far too little self-policing. If mods didn't exist, people would have to create them.

What is it with you two and picking languages heavy on verb forms?

We could shoot for arapaho?
 
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Your math is off because it is assuming that one team is only working on one car at a time. Say a team has 10 members. Member one completes his part on a car and passes it to member two and then starts on a new car while member two begins his part of the car he just received. So, one team is working on the same number of cars as there are team members. A 10 member team is working on 10 cars (possibly more) at once.

Think of an assembly line in a car factory. One car might take a week to build, but they don't just build one car at a time and hundreds roll out every day.

True, but there still could be more than one team working on cars. And there probably is. Just like a car factory, it doesn't just build one car at a time, it builds several, and they don't all have to be the same car. But I get what your saying. Once someone's finished with their part they can pass it on and work on the same part for a different car. It is more efficient. However, that might only mean that there's about 2 or 3 teams working on cars. But it's still impressive how many cars they've made given the amount of time. However, 1000+ cars would still take 20+ years to make at 50 cars a year
 
One more drabble.

I don't think the car modelers work on an assembly line basis. I could be wrong. What I suspect is that the super-skilled modelers work on the cars, and each one has a list of cars to model. Those with more mortal skills are in the track and assorted asset building teams. Whatever the deal is though, I'm in awe of the work they've done, and am going to spend even more time gawking at their work as I drive leisurely around their tracks as I did in GT4 and Prologue.
Well, however they do it, someone mentioned the Prologue credits listed 31 car modelers. That is still 31 cars at a time, 62 in a year if each person starts one and finishes six months later.
 
Sorry but Arapaho? LMAO. Kinect won't be supporting Native American tongues at launch.

So Famine, how far into Forza 3 are you? ... and GT4 / 5P?
 
4 weeks ladies. 4 weeks. New alliances, new discoveries, new complaints, same old GTPlanet. :D

So Famine, how far into Forza 3 are you? ... and GT4 / 5P?

Bro you haven't seen that Minimal Completion Time\Days thread in GT4 section, this man is far, deep, deep as the abyss.
 
That's why even moderators have a report button next to their posts.

Yup, but should it really be necessary, I thought leading by example is the sensible thing to do, rather than joining in. I expect "just" members to sway either side of reasonable mature debate from time to time but don&#8217;t expect mods or admins to nearly as often.



Sure. Point out where I 've exercised any special mod powers in this thread recently.

This thread has been off topic now for several pages, with you at the centre of it funnily enough. If that was not a "special" power being exercised then what is? For anybody else it would have been nipped in the bud several pages back!

*shrug*

Perhaps you care about the view of someone who goes on the internet to say how little the internet matters, but you'd be in a minority.

I consider everybody&#8217;s opinions and don't just disregard them because I can or my mod powers allow me to in an arrogant way.


And far too little self-policing. If mods didn't exist, people would have to create them.

I am fine for mods to exist, but not to rule how and when it suits them as if the rules they are there to enforce do not apply to them. Discretion can be used however the one with the power wishes to use it, however they see fit and that is the problem. I use my discretion every day, I wish I was right at least half of the time.
 
You're going to have to give me some indication of how "very hard" SONY is trying to become a monopoly. For instance, rather than coming up with a convoluted scheme to patent illuminated flat screen displays, say for PC monitors and TVs, they not only allow Samsung to make their own TVs, they buy their flat screen displays from them. Or say, 3D technology. Has SONY come up with some twisted legal method to have everyone who makes a 3D device give them a royalty for it? No. What about movie houses? Or music companies? Is Virgin giving SONY Music any money? Are the other movie companies being squashed by SONY/Columbia? Hardly.

I have to agree with you Tenacious... The PS3 is & was a far more open architecture than the XBox 360. Microsoft are still trying to profit from all their 120GB & 250GB HDD's today. With a PS3, you can go and buy any suitable OEM part for much less money. That's a good thing seeing as KY has stated GT5 will warrant a 10GB install to deliver the best experience. There'll definitely be some 20GB PS3 owners out there, somewhere...

Sony engages and partners with many companies, obviously to make money, but Sony does not go all out to pay for exclusivity. Not these days. All these exclusive franchises appearing on PS3 today are made by Sony owned developers.
 
Well, however they do it, someone mentioned the Prologue credits listed 31 car modelers. That is still 31 cars at a time, 62 in a year if each person starts one and finishes six months later.

You're looking at Kaz's timeframes too literally.

Sure, it may take a car 6 months to complete start to finish, or a track may take two years. However, I can almost guarantee that someone isn't working on that specific car for 6 months straight.

I'm sure it takes a lot of time, but you're looking at the numbers too literally. I'm surprised some of you aren't using common sense to figure that out.
 
This is a bunch of nonsense, folks. Famine, you don't need to explain or justify your moderator power to anyone. If they don't like the way you use your power, they can leave any time.

But you play by the same rules as everyone else on here. You certainly couldn't get away with swearing or posting pornographic images. Saying otherwise doesn't help anything.
 
It's still on the forum on page 4, it's just locked and unpinned.

I know it's locked and on page 4. I'm just wondering why it's been locked for so long ? It's an interesting thread that needs to be updated since TGS and the Playview Tech Demo.
 
Well, however they do it, someone mentioned the Prologue credits listed 31 car modelers. That is still 31 cars at a time, 62 in a year if each person starts one and finishes six months later.

Also slight alterations of car bodies or adding different liveries (see NASCAR cars) don't take additional 6 months of time to do... just something I often like to remark :)
 
yaywalter - Quite right, though you forget about the special mod forum ;)

I know it's locked and on page 4. I'm just wondering why it's been locked for so long ? It's an interesting thread that needs to be updated since TGS and the Playview Tech Demo.

You need to ask The359 that question.
 
You're looking at Kaz's timeframes too literally.

Sure, it may take a car 6 months to complete start to finish, or a track may take two years. However, I can almost guarantee that someone isn't working on that specific car for 6 months straight.

I'm sure it takes a lot of time, but you're looking at the numbers too literally. I'm surprised some of you aren't using common sense to figure that out.
Try reading through that entire thread of conversation again. I wasn't taking it literally.
 
nothing will come between me and GT5 anymore.
Wooo, easy...
you need protection

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This is a bunch of nonsense, folks. Famine, you don't need to explain or justify your moderator power to anyone. If they don't like the way you use your power, they can leave any time.

But you play by the same rules as everyone else on here. You certainly couldn't get away with swearing or posting pornographic images. Saying otherwise doesn't help anything.

You could say that Famine here just violated the AUP by claiming he was allowed to swear and post pornographic images. :P

You will not knowingly post any material that is false, misleading, or inaccurate.
 
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