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drivingmeinsane
It's NOT the hackers fault!

Sony knew that the PSN was vulnerable but did nothing to beef up security. and now that PSN has been attacked everyone blames the hackers.

Lets compare Sony's PSN to windows, MS release a new operating system BUT their obligation doesn't stop there because they continually release updates and security patches for years. I'm using XP and get new updates every few weeks, sometimes those updates/patches/security fixes come back to back. Sony on the other hand do none of the above and when they are hacked they throw their arms up in the air and blame "outside intruders".

This IS Sony's fault and no one else's because Sony knew PSN was not safe.
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This is a stupidity itself. Have YOU got the point yet?
 
drivingmeinsane
It's NOT the hackers fault!

Sony knew that the PSN was vulnerable but did nothing to beef up security. and now that PSN has been attacked everyone blames the hackers.

Lets compare Sony's PSN to windows, MS release a new operating system BUT their obligation doesn't stop there because they continually release updates and security patches for years. I'm using XP and get new updates every few weeks, sometimes those updates/patches/security fixes come back to back. Sony on the other hand do none of the above and when they are hacked they throw their arms up in the air and blame "outside intruders".

This IS Sony's fault and no one else's because Sony knew PSN was not safe.
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This wins most stupid ever post on gtplanet. Thats like my saying "sorry officer its not my though I shot and killed people, it's their though because they are un-armed" I hope you can see how ridiculous your post was!
 
LMAO!

Next you guys will have me believe that Sony have absolutely no obligation in keeping our data safe or in maintaining the integrity and security of PSN. and if they get hacked and our data stolen on THEIR network...well, lets blame the hackers because that's easy

Keep up the ignorance...excuse me, i mean great work guys 👍
 
racer39658
OK, so what dircetion do you think a company should take when comfronted with people performing illegal actions?

Do NOT, EVER, EVER annoy an uncounted number of people who have the ability to turn your company upside down and scroll through 77 million credit cards on YOUR database. These people are smarter than you, have excellent knowledge of systems and clearly don't fear the legal system.

You HIRE these people. You KEEP TABS on them, how they're doing it, and REBUILD your system so it can take it.

Companies that have the right approach to this:
Microsoft
Apple

Companies that chose the stupid response to this
SONY

Besides, the legal action wasn't against hacking, it was against jailbreaking, which, in my mind, is completely different. Hacking goes into someone else's system, while jailbreaking goes into equipment owned by the breaker.

Software (firmware) isn't technically 'equipment owned by the breaker' (apparently). I'm not going to tell you to read up because it's obvious and clear0cut, but I'm going to tell you to read up because it's nowhere near.

Are you saying that, as soon as Anonypuss sided with the breaker, Sony should have soiled itself, apologized, and backed down? Yeah, that will show a company's strength.
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Things that show a company's strength:

Buying out and/or being nice to anyone or anything that poses a threat to it, not stirring the hornet's nest.


Things that idiots think will work:

Attacking (in any way) some group/s that wipe the floor with companies like SONY without breaking a sweat


The result of idiotic thinking:

Millions of credit card details being sold on the net.


I'm not sure how much more simply I can put it. You mess with fire, you're going to burn the house down, even if it is built out of 77 million credit cards. No exceptions.
 
drivingmeinsane
It's NOT the hackers fault!

Sony knew that the PSN was vulnerable but did nothing to beef up security. and now that PSN has been attacked everyone blames the hackers.

Lets compare Sony's PSN to windows, MS release a new operating system BUT their obligation doesn't stop there because they continually release updates and security patches for years. I'm using XP and get new updates every few weeks, sometimes those updates/patches/security fixes come back to back. Sony on the other hand do none of the above and when they are hacked they throw their arms up in the air and blame "outside intruders".

This IS Sony's fault and no one else's because Sony knew PSN was not safe.
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Not really the best analogy.. allthough i agree sony should have stepped up and fix the glitches in the system, it is out of this world to scream that it's not the hackers that are to blame.
 
@drivingmeinsane - you are really not as smart as you think you are ... maybe you should take a break , and try to re-read your post , and the replies to it, again from a fresh perspective , maybe then you could see that not every one is wrong except for you... and although you haven't made the stupidest comment i have seen on gtplanet , you can take consolation in the fact that you came really close .. good job
 
^ drivingmeinsane really needs to take that advice.

One thing is to say something stupid, another is to stubbornly defend it at all cost.

DJ
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drivingmeinsane
LMAO!

Next you guys will have me believe that Sony have absolutely no obligation in keeping our data safe or in maintaining the integrity and security of PSN. and if they get hacked and our data stolen on THEIR network...well, lets blame the hackers because that's easy

Keep up the ignorance...excuse me, i mean great work guys 👍
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Once again you fail to provide any evidence of your claims that this is Sony's failure.

Try using some verifiable facts and maybe people will take your point seriously.
 
My sympathies to drivingmeinsane in fighting the good fight. It boggles my mind to see people not willing to hold Sony accountable for the security of their own personal information. To me, all the evidence I need of Sony's failure is this and this.

All in all personal data of close to 100 million people have been leaked.

Criminals are going to do illegal stuff. Catch them and prosecute them for the fullest extent. But, taking adequate precautions is a completely different issue. While 100% irrefutable evidence to show Sony's incompetence may never come by (Sony will fight tooth and nail to keep that from happening), the preponderance of evidence is good enough for me as a customer.

As soon as I heard of how PSN trusts its client (PS3) is secure and how hackers were able to fool PSN using man-in-the-middle attack with compromised PS3's (late March) I removed my CC from the PSN account. I'm still not comfortable as they still might have my details on a backup somewhere.
 
sam_i_am
My sympathies to drivingmeinsane in fighting the good fight. It boggles my mind to see people not willing to hold Sony accountable for the security of their own personal information. To me, all the evidence I need of Sony's failure is this and this.
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My issue is not that he said Sony screwed up. I have even pointed out my own issues with them during this situation. But he declares that "it is NOT the hackers fault" for hacking.

Sony did not make them hack. I find it ridiculous for someone to point at a person who purposely wishes to steal from you and say they are blameless and then turn on the people you trusted with your assets and blame them 100%. By his rationale all identity thieves are innocent. And then to have him use Windows as an example of good security...seriously, you sympathize with that reasoning?

Did the PSN have a security weakness? Obviously, but every system does. I do not disagree with that point. I literally can't. Did, as he claims, Sony ignore it and never attempt to fix it when they found out about it? I have seen no evidence of that, not even a preponderance of circumstantial evidence.

Even if there were, not blaming the hackers for hacking is completely illogical.
 
Somehow in my reading of this thread, I figured arguing with someone named "drivingmeinsane" just doesn't seem like it would yield any logic (as is constintly proven by said user). Clearly, he's living to his name by blaming the victim solely and not the attackers.

As for my take on the funny argument of "They should've beefed up their security":

1. How do you know thats not what they were doing with the security updates they kept putting out? Sound more like this argument has been presented without reason.

2. Newsflash: Nothing is safe from Hackers. As long as there is someone willing, The so called "Bullet proof" Security can and will be hacked. The only thing that'll keep you "safe" is whether the Hacker feels like doing it or not and unfortunately for Sony, they gave Hackers enough motivation to want to do it.
 
RACECAR
Somehow in my reading of this thread, I figured arguing with someone named "drivingmeinsane" just doesn't seem like it would yield any logic (as is constintly proven by said user). Clearly, he's living to his name by blaming the victim solely and not the attackers.

As for my take on the funny argument of "They should've beefed up their security":

1. How do you know thats not what they were doing with the security updates they kept putting out? Sound more like this argument has been presented without reason.

2. Newsflash: Nothing is safe from Hackers. As long as there is someone willing, The so called "Bullet proof" Security can and will be hacked. The only thing that'll keep you "safe" is whether the Hacker feels like doing it or not and unfortunately for Sony, they gave Hackers enough motivation to want to do it.
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You're right, in fact the only fully hacker-proof way of storing data, is to make it not accessible to anyone at all, rendering it useless.

Obviously Sony did protect their data. If the protection wasn't adequate, the network would have been hacked weeks after launch, not 4 years later.
 
When can we bring this back on topic? Any one know when the next update would be? Or should I say do you think a possibility DLC will be available soon?
 
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...response.ars?comments=1&start=80#comments-bar

arstechnica
Panelists joined in. Dr. Gene Spafford of Purdue testified that Sony's system was weak, and that those weaknesses had been revealed on security mailing lists months before the breach. According to Spafford, key parts of Sony's PlayStation Network ran on Apache servers that "were unpatched and had no firewall installed." This was reported in a forum known to be frequented by Sony employees, he said, though no changes were made in the months leading up to the attack.
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You know there are things called security mailing lists and security advisories, and vendors provide things called patches to fix detailed vulnerabilities... Sony in its incompetence did not feel it necessary to keep their systems up to date and properly secured. Yes, hackers committed a crime in their action, but it is Sony's fault they were allowed to take said action in the first place.
 
adeadsnipermatt
I finally thought we were getting back on topic...
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Is the PSN back up yet? Do you trust Sony with your information now as before? Are you going to be making purchases on the PSN? I'm sure as hell am not. No more DLC purchases, even for GT5 content. It was a boring game anyways, PSN being down for two weeks was the final nail in GT5's coffin for me.
 
Than why are you still talking about it? Maybe you should pick up shift and 'float' around the track since you have a gripe with GT. It's seriously not as bad as you're making it out to be.
 
I personally am not too upset with sony I already get my replacement debit cards. I always take precautions with online purchases to begin with. This is life you must alway have a plan B. I will always enjoy my console and Sony makes it I have no grip with them. Sure I'm a little disappointed I can't play online but that is not a problem with me.
 
i think this has been mentioned before, but regarding the messages you receive about signing into the playstation network when you load up gt5. it asks you many times and yes it is annoying. but to me its more of a slap in the face reminding me every time that the psn is still down :(
 
^^ This. On topic. I hope in the next patch maybe they could make it so the garage setting like viewing cars & the display settings are saved so I don't have to change them but unlikely I know :indiff: I can hope. :)
 
Let them do what they need to do it will be better in the long run. Whenever it's back is ok by me. Whenever I buy something online I always use a prepaid card, if it gets nailed so what there won't be much there to take anyway.
 
budious
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...response.ars?comments=1&start=80#comments-bar



You know there are things called security mailing lists and security advisories, and vendors provide things called patches to fix detailed vulnerabilities... Sony in its incompetence did not feel it necessary to keep their systems up to date and properly secured. Yes, hackers committed a crime in their action, but it is Sony's fault they were allowed to take said action in the first place.
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I have seen this point flamed severely. I have to concede that inviting and allowing someone to take your **** is pretty irresponsible when it's someone else's **** you have.
 
budious
Is the PSN back up yet? Do you trust Sony with your information now as before? Are you going to be making purchases on the PSN?
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No, Yes, Yes. In that order.

budious
I'm sure as hell am not. No more DLC purchases, even for GT5 content. It was a boring game anyways, PSN being down for two weeks was the final nail in GT5's coffin for me.
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You won't be missed.
 
http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Report-Sony-to-face-third-attack-1238754.html

h-online.com
According to a report by CNET News, Sony may face yet another cyber attack on its systems following the recent breach in security that saw a combined total of more than 100 million user records compromised across the PlayStation Network and Sony Online Entertainment systems. The report's author says that she spoke with one of the hackers on the group's Internet Relay Chat (IRC) channel and was told that a third major attack is planned to take place this weekend.

The target of the latest attack is said to be Sony's web site and the individuals involved hope to publicise all or some of the information that they find stored on the company's servers. The source says that this information could include customer names, addresses and credit card numbers, adding that the group already has access to some of Sony's servers.
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More good news for all the pro-Sony apologists infecting this board.
 

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