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[budious]

http://www.dailytech.com/Report+PS3...+Up+For+Sale+GeoHot+Comments/article21506.htm

Sony wrote:

While there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility.

It essentially then went on to tell people that they were on their own and that it was customers' own responsibility to protect themselves from credit fraud.

Now it appears the worse case scenario is indeed playing out -- according to recent forum posts, a database with "a large section of the PSN database containing complete personal details along (with credit card numbers)...are being offer (sic) up for sale."

Security researcher Kevin Stevens has witnessed malicious hackers discussing the supposed database. He posted to Twitter, "Supposedly the hackers selling the DB says it has: fname, lnam, address, zip, country, phone, email, password, dob, ccnum, CVV2, exp date," adding, "it is not a rumor, it was a conversation on a criminal forum."

If someone gains access to this database, it would be easy to issue hundreds of millions of fraudulent charges. Such charges can put a black mark on your credit score.

... more fail

 

[CRXFREAK001]

Here's my opinion on things.

First off, since I'm sure a lot of the masses has changed their CC # Now in this "giant" scare, this thing about the 2 million accounts thing that’s blowing up all over the net and people trying to strike fear into people.. remember this before you freak out (tho I would still change my CC and get a new one) what moron would buy those cards, when those 2 million credit cards that they "supposedly" say they have full info on, what good would that do them if 70% changed their info, and the rest of the odd % left caught their info was being manipulated, They'd get caught so fast.

Also remember this, that site said they had the cvv2 info, well if you guys go read up on Visa or mastercard's website, you'll see this right away

cvv2 is only used for the initial transaction. It is meant to prove you are in possession of the card. You are not allowed to store it encrypted or not.

Quoted from visa's site -

"When you give a merchant your CVV2 code at checkout, that information is sent electronically to the card-issuing bank for verification and authorization. If a person attempts to use your card number but cannot provide a 3-digit security code, or if the number is returned as invalid, the merchant will cancel the transaction. For security purposes, merchants are prohibited from storing this number".

So “IF” they stored people’s CVV2’s they are even in more trouble than they already are in. which I really hope isn’t the case. It’s labeled all over, you can’t store it in any circumstance, encrypted or not. so… we’ll see how this pans out..

I’m still changing my card tho, I’d advise others to do the same, just in case.

 

[Darren.]

I believe you can do so by going to:

http://us.playstation.com/psn/

You can't sign in, every Playstation site will give you a maintenance screen when you try to sign in.

 

[drivingmeinsane]

just read that sony is losing alot of money trying to solve the psn problem.
one of swedens biggest newspaper wrote that sony is losing billions of dollars trying to fix psn.
that pisses me off:censored: they could have spent that money making the ps3 better or develop new games, now thanks to the hackers that money is spent on getting everything to work as it should and hiring other companys to help them fix it.

It's NOT the hackers fault!

Sony knew that the PSN was vulnerable but did nothing to beef up security. and now that PSN has been attacked everyone blames the hackers.

Lets compare Sony's PSN to windows, MS release a new operating system BUT their obligation doesn't stop there because they continually release updates and security patches for years. I'm using XP and get new updates every few weeks, sometimes those updates/patches/security fixes come back to back. Sony on the other hand do none of the above and when they are hacked they throw their arms up in the air and blame "outside intruders".

This IS Sony's fault and no one else's because Sony knew PSN was not safe.

 

[savage_80]

100% rite about sony being stupid and not trying to beef up security. but it still was hacking that caused the problem. i can understand ppl hacking into top secret stuff and army stuff and crap but ppl hacking just to mess crap up and put a virus in ur computer is just sad. a mean psn would probs not be hard to hack into atall so whats the point

 

[analog]

Hackers gonna hack, they can't help it, it's just the way they're programmed, "must destroy data, hmmmm numbers".
Not applauding this action, far from it (heck, our data was stolen) but if you don't lock your doors properly things will get stolen or messed about with, that's life unfortunately.
Guess there's no point in trying to bring the discussion back to GT5 eh?

 

[gl3nb0ts]

It's NOT the hackers fault!

Sony knew that the PSN was vulnerable but did nothing to beef up security. and now that PSN has been attacked everyone blames the hackers.

Lets compare Sony's PSN to windows, MS release a new operating system BUT their obligation doesn't stop there because they continually release updates and security patches for years. I'm using XP and get new updates every few weeks, sometimes those updates/patches/security fixes come back to back. Sony on the other hand do none of the above and when they are hacked they throw their arms up in the air and blame "outside intruders".

This IS Sony's fault and no one else's because Sony knew PSN was not safe.

Just like murder victims really.
Sure somebody shot them, but it's not all the murderer's fault. For example, the victim knew that people have guns, so he should have done everything in his/her power to avoid people with guns. I mean, they didn't have to stand in front of the bullet, did they? 💡

I simply cannot believe this line of logic (Logic, of course, being a generous term) still persists. There is not one database, one network, in the entire world that is 100% "hacker proof". And there never will be. Where there's a will, there's a way. And when you know there's a database of millions of credit cards and addresses, and a potential huge windfall for selling them or using them, I bet there's a lot of "will" there.

There's absolutely no way to say that if security had been better, that this never would have happened. If this guy(s) was good, and really wanted it, he'd get it eventually. Whose to say that the security in place hadn't deterred him this long, as is?

 

[BWX]

Yes i thought it through throughly. Now you look at it from a different perspective and open your mind just for a second. Bear with me.

You imagine that i discover a way where i can download games and DLC for free on the PSN and i post a how to video on youtube. Sony takes away the PSN feature forever that you thought you paid for when you bought a PS3. That's it no PSN because of me, one person.
Now imagine how you would feel, now imagine you have the capability and knowledge to do something about it and get revenge, knowing you can cover your tracks.

The thing i have a gripe with is i watched the youtube video out of pure interest, i have current firmware and never thought about jailbreaking but i'm a curious person.
Now Sony has my IP, and thousands of other's who viewed this video, what right does a company have to demand my personal information from another company who has nothing to do with them (youtube). I watched i video, i did not break a law, but to demand my Internet Protocol Address is a plain invasion of privacy.
Better to be safe than Sony.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[kimi123]

Well it was not Sony's fault. It is unfortunate though what happened to them and of course all other GT, PS3 gamers. However things will get better soon. It was a criminal act and such hackers should be behind the bars

 

[Tired Tyres]

Well it was not Sony's fault. It is unfortunate though what happened to them and of course all other GT, PS3 gamers. However things will get better soon. It was a criminal act and such hackers should be behind the bars

Someone posting something that's intelligently thought out and common sense. That makes a change! 👍

 

[adeadsnipermatt]

Back on topic I was reading some tweets from KY he hinted were getting an update in Spring. He posted the Tweet a few hours ago.

 

[sk0pe]

That would be Spring in Japan or US?

 

[adeadsnipermatt]

I honestly would assume Japen where he live because spring is almost over for us.

 

[drivingmeinsane]

Just like murder victims really.
Sure somebody shot them, but it's not all the murderer's fault. For example, the victim knew that people have guns, so he should have done everything in his/her power to avoid people with guns. I mean, they didn't have to stand in front of the bullet, did they? 💡

I simply cannot believe this line of logic (Logic, of course, being a generous term) still persists. There is not one database, one network, in the entire world that is 100% "hacker proof". And there never will be. Where there's a will, there's a way. And when you know there's a database of millions of credit cards and addresses, and a potential huge windfall for selling them or using them, I bet there's a lot of "will" there.

There's absolutely no way to say that if security had been better, that this never would have happened. If this guy(s) was good, and really wanted it, he'd get it eventually. Whose to say that the security in place hadn't deterred him this long, as is?

Clearly you didn't read past "It's NOT the Hackers fault!". Sony KNEW PSN was vulnerable but did NOTHING to patch or block this Particular vulnerability, isnt that what EVERY single company does with regards to anything online, i always get messages along the lines of "a new update is available for download which will fix a security issue that has been identified"....or words to that affect.

And your comparison of what i wrote to someone with a death wish standing in the way of a bullet is absurd to say the least.

 

[PaMu1337]

That would be Spring in Japan or US?

Do you realize that both countries are on the northern hemisphere, and therefore have matching seasons? So it's spring in Japan and the US right now.

 

[BeardOfChuck]

Clearly you didn't read past "It's NOT the Hackers fault!". Sony KNEW PSN was vulnerable but did NOTHING to patch or block this Particular vulnerability, isnt that what EVERY single company does with regards to anything online, i always get messages along the lines of "a new update is available for download which will fix a security issue that has been identified"....or words to that affect.

And your comparison of what i wrote to someone with a death wish standing in the way of a bullet is absurd to say the least.

Uhw, most of the time we get a system update it's about 'improvement of security' or something among those lines. And were did you heard Sony knew PSN was vulnerable and didn't do anything about that. Pretty bold statement...

 

[meeekael]

Clearly you didn't read past "It's NOT the Hackers fault!". Sony KNEW PSN was vulnerable but did NOTHING to patch or block this Particular vulnerability, isnt that what EVERY single company does with regards to anything online, i always get messages along the lines of "a new update is available for download which will fix a security issue that has been identified"....or words to that affect.

Um...What? They KNEW did they?

Prove it.

 

[gl3nb0ts]

Clearly you didn't read past "It's NOT the Hackers fault!". Sony KNEW PSN was vulnerable but did NOTHING to patch or block this Particular vulnerability, isnt that what EVERY single company does with regards to anything online, i always get messages along the lines of "a new update is available for download which will fix a security issue that has been identified"....or words to that affect.

And your comparison of what i wrote to someone with a death wish standing in the way of a bullet is absurd to say the least.

Yeah, I think I was on security update number 1 billion on PS3.

 

[ultraviolet]

if my home gets broken into and my property stolen, is it my fault for not having a bigger enough lock? or is it the fault of the perpetrator for trying to get in in the first place? i know which one the law thinks is right

 

[TBR 427]

if my home gets broken into and my property stolen, is it my fault for not having a bigger enough lock? or is it the fault of the perpetrator for trying to get in in the first place? i know which one the law thinks is right

SONY: Well, nobody has broken into my home for years, it's unbreakable
hackers: lol k
SONY: Curse you hackers, you've broken my window and are taking some stuff
hackers: just getting my otherOS back
SONY: even think about breaking in and we'll subpoena your address
Everyone else: really?
SONY: JUDGE APPROVED
hackers: oh it's on now...
SONY: we need more lawyers to fight the hackers
...
Two months later
...
SONY: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH Somebody broke in, why couldn't our lawyers protect us from hackers???


You don't fight hackers with lawyers, and for thinking they can, SONY's management need to be fired. You stir the hornet's nest, you get hacked. NO EXCEPTIONS.

Now, the hackers DID in fact hack into the system. For what reason, nobody knows. They COULD be after money, or they COULD be after SONY's reputation for Digital Rights Management (oh wait SONY never had a reputation in that), or they could just be really, really bored.



The solution? Throw the hackers in jail. Then find anybody in SONY that even thought they needed lawyers for this, and throw them down the well.


Then convince the remaining management at SONY (probably not many left not in the well) to buy out whatever security companies are helping them now. GT5 bought in millions upon millions of dollars, put that towards better programmers, and more of them.


And some modelers, no excuse for a company being too small when they're raking in so much cash.

 

[racer39658]

You don't fight hackers with lawyers, and for thinking they can, SONY's management need to be fired. You stir the hornet's nest, you get hacked. NO EXCEPTIONS.

Yeah! Shame on Sony for going through the legal system to defend themselves from actions they felt were illegal! They should know better than that.

(The above was sarcasm, hope it doesn't stir up a hornet's nest. No exceptions and all...)

I mean... really?

 

[TBR 427]

Yeah! Shame on Sony for going through the legal system to defend themselves from actions they felt were illegal! They should know better than that.

(The above was sarcasm, hope it doesn't stir up a hornet's nest. No exceptions and all...)

I mean... really?

Lawyers are about as affective at protecting a company from hackers as they are at protecting a country from terrorists. They're great in a courtroom, completely useless everywhere else.



It's astounding. SONY's legal team got GOOGLE to cough up the IPs of EVERYONE who looked at the videos. That's a HUGE achievement for a company, especially considering Google's resistance.


Maybe you should take a look at PSN and see how well that strategy worked out?

 

[drivingmeinsane]

if my home gets broken into and my property stolen, is it my fault for not having a bigger enough lock? or is it the fault of the perpetrator for trying to get in in the first place? i know which one the law thinks is right

If you KNOW your security is inadequate and do nothing to prevent someone breaking into your home-is that not asking for trouble? this is what i am getting at, but instead i am being accused of wearing a tinfoil hat by gl3nb0ts

 

[FoolKiller]

It's NOT the hackers fault!

Sony knew that the PSN was vulnerable but did nothing to beef up security. and now that PSN has been attacked everyone blames the hackers.

Lets compare Sony's PSN to windows, MS release a new operating system BUT their obligation doesn't stop there because they continually release updates and security patches for years. I'm using XP and get new updates every few weeks, sometimes those updates/patches/security fixes come back to back. Sony on the other hand do none of the above and when they are hacked they throw their arms up in the air and blame "outside intruders".

This IS Sony's fault and no one else's because Sony knew PSN was not safe.

I am not quite sure how someone knowingly doing something that is immoral, unjust, and unprincipled is not their fault. If these people were moral then the PSN's security wouldn't matter. Plain and simple, the only reason why the PSN needed better security was because these thieving a-holes were born.

They also broke the law, does that mean the law is inadequate too? Every time I speed does that mean that speed limits and police patrols on the motorways are enough and it isn't my fault? Or if a woman gets raped after going to a club, is it her fault for wearing a cute outfit and not keeping her pepper spray in one hand and a rape whistle in the other?

By your logic, if I can successfully commit a crime then it isn't my fault as there was not enough in place to prevent me from doing it.

And I don't know about you, but ever since people started finding ways to hack and pirate on the PS3 I seem to get PS3 system updates so regularly that there is a thread here where people complain about how often it happens.

 

[FishHunters]

Since our log-ins and pwords were compromised I'm wondering how Sony is going to get everyone back into the network?

 

[PaMu1337]

Since our log-ins and pwords were compromised I'm wondering how Sony is going to get everyone back into the network?

You have to change your password on the first login, and to make sure the hackers won't do this for you, it has to be done on the PS3 the account was created on (or by email from the address it was registered with)

In addition, PS3 will have a forced system software update that will require all registered PlayStation Network users to change their account passwords before being able to sign into the service. As an added layer of security, that password can only be changed on the same PS3 in which that account was activated, or through validated email confirmation, a critical step to help further protect customer data.

 

[racer39658]

Lawyers are about as affective at protecting a company from hackers as they are at protecting a country from terrorists. They're great in a courtroom, completely useless everywhere else.



It's astounding. SONY's legal team got GOOGLE to cough up the IPs of EVERYONE who looked at the videos. That's a HUGE achievement for a company, especially considering Google's resistance.


Maybe you should take a look at PSN and see how well that strategy worked out?

OK, so what dircetion do you think a company should take when comfronted with people performing illegal actions? Sit on your hands and let them get away with it? Break out the GPS trackers and snipers?

Besides, the legal action wasn't against hacking, it was against jailbreaking, which, in my mind, is completely different. Hacking goes into someone else's system, while jailbreaking goes into equipment owned by the breaker.

Are you saying that, as soon as Anonypuss sided with the breaker, Sony should have soiled itself, apologized, and backed down? Yeah, that will show a company's strength.

 

[smoke1485]

My bspec bob is missing last seen in abbottabad pakistan somewhere on kakul street around 1am local time. If anyone has any information as to his whereabouts or information related to his capture there is a reward thank you.

 

[drivingmeinsane]

I am not quite sure how someone knowingly doing something that is immoral, unjust, and unprincipled is not their fault. If these people were moral then the PSN's security wouldn't matter. Plain and simple, the only reason why the PSN needed better security was because these thieving a-holes were born.

They also broke the law, does that mean the law is inadequate too? Every time I speed does that mean that speed limits and police patrols on the motorways are enough and it isn't my fault? Or if a woman gets raped after going to a club, is it her fault for wearing a cute outfit and not keeping her pepper spray in one hand and a rape whistle in the other?

By your logic, if I can successfully commit a crime then it isn't my fault as there was not enough in place to prevent me from doing it.

And I don't know about you, but ever since people started finding ways to hack and pirate on the PS3 I seem to get PS3 system updates so regularly that there is a thread here where people complain about how often it happens.

What is the matter with you people!?!

I made a comparison with regards to inadequate security using the analogy of my home, but you people seem to think that PSN getting hacked is akin to someone with a death wish or a woman being rapped or breaking the speed limit. you also seem to think we live in an ideal world

Try to keep up here guys as i hold your hand and talk you through to some semblance of understanding of what i am saying...

Is it right that someone/s hacked PSN?! NO...HELL NO!!!

Do i agree with the hackers motives?! again, HELL NO! but that does not mean i don't understand why they did it.

Did Sony know that security for the PSN was vulnerable and inadequate and open to attack?! HELL YES!

Did they do anything to fix these issues!? well, if they did this would never have happened, so what do you think!?

ALLOT of people trusted Sony and their PSN, trusted enough to use personal data, and as the world knows, there is always going to be someone who will want to get their hands on that data, so in my expert opinion (expert because i am NOT some snotty kid acting tough from behind a screen. i am also not some 20 or 30 something young man who thinks he knows it all, i do have quite a few years and ALLOT of experience and i talk from that experience and that experience alone and nothing else) this is Sony's fault for not taking action sooner.

Blaming some hacker or hacker group is plain stupid because if it's not 1 group then it will be another group, that is a given in this day and age. all we can do is make damned sure we take adequate precautions so these people don't get such opportunities in the future...

As the old saying goes, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me....


Get it now?!

 

[FoolKiller]

I made a comparison with regards to inadequate security using the analogy of my home, but you people seem to think that PSN getting hacked is akin to someone with a death wish or a woman being rapped or breaking the speed limit. you also seem to think we live in an ideal world

No matter the crime, the criminal is the primary person at fault, no matter how they managed to break the law, they still willingly broke the law.

Old school facepalm.

Is it right that someone/s hacked PSN?! NO...HELL NO!!!

Then why did you adamantly say that they are NOT at fault?

Do i agree with the hackers motives?! again, HELL NO! but that does not mean i don't understand why they did it.

Then why did you adamantly say that they are NOT at fault?

Did Sony know that security for the PSN was vulnerable and inadequate and open to attack?! HELL YES!

[citation needed]

It has been asked before and you are blatantly ignoring it, but I will try again: Link?

Did they do anything to fix these issues!? well, if they did this would never have happened, so what do you think!?

Again, this line of reasoning works if anyone can get through any form of security precautions. For example: I had infrared cameras, barbed wire, automated turrets, and a pack of wild wolves guarding my house but some ninjas broke in. NOT their fault, right?

You have yet to prove Sony knew they had weaknesses and ignored it. Your argument is based on facts that no one but you seem to know about. Show us where and how you know this to be true, then and only then will I hold Sony accountable for somehow being a poor steward of my data.

And even then, I would ask about when the government gets hacked into, when credit agencies get hacked into, and even the individual private businesses that have been hacked in a way that resulted in me getting a new card. At what point do I blame the hackers simply because they are scum?

ALLOT of people trusted Sony and their PSN, trusted enough to use personal data, and as the world knows, there is always going to be someone who will want to get their hands on that data, so in my expert opinion (expert because i am NOT some snotty kid acting tough from behind a screen. i am also not some 20 or 30 something young man who thinks he knows it all, i do have quite a few years and ALLOT of experience and i talk from that experience and that experience alone and nothing else) this is Sony's fault for not taking action sooner.

Age doesn't matter when you so far appear to be jumping to assumptions. Unless your expert opinion gives you presentable evidence of the claims you make about Sony you are just a middle-aged (or older) guy yelling at the world from his front porch.

Blaming some hacker or hacker group is plain stupid because if it's not 1 group then it will be another group, that is a given in this day and age. all we can do is make damned sure we take adequate precautions so these people don't get such opportunities in the future...

Odd, when I see a crime being committed I tend to first blame the criminal. Do I give Sony a free ride? No. But I also don't know that they screwed up. It tends to be that the hackers are always one step ahead of the security measures. Unless you can prove otherwise the only thing I am currently blaming Sony for right now is not alerting the bank that issued me my card.

Get it now?!

You have jumped to conclusions and would rather put 100% blame on Sony and NOT blame hackers for hacking. Got it.