GT5 Latest News & Discussion

[Digital-Nitrate]

I think that PD HAS dropped the ball on the marketing aspect and simply telling fans how things are going. Does this mean the game won't be good? Of course not. Just to clarify: I don't think I am worked up, I do believe that similair companies who work on big projects handle this side of things far better than PD have. Oh, and if PD released GT5 6 months ago the word "rushed" wouldn't enter in conversation, so it certainly has no place now

First of all, considering how important the GT series is to Sony, if the game was in fact ready it would be released, and clearly based on what we have seen already from trailers, presentations, interviews, articles, and press releases, it's not a stretch to understand why this game, unlike many of its competition is taking so long to develop. So yes, the word "rush" deserves to still be in the conversation.

Perhaps more importantly though, it troubles me to see you claim similar companies have handled the PR of their games better than PD, when in fact, you would have an exceptionally difficult time finding such examples.

Despite the language obstacles that often occur between Japanese companies and their foreign customers, PD has still managed to release countless footage of GT5 through it's continued development with screen shots, videos, presentations, new conferences, interviews, articles, and even hands on demonstrations - far more so than just about any of the hundred or so games that I have followed closely over the last there years or more.

I think perhaps it's because as fans, many want to know every single detail about GT5, perhaps more so than any other game, and want to know it right away, but I'm sorry that's just not the norm for any game. Especially when there isn't even an official release date.

Besides, one thing history has proven is that when game developers do release a lot of information, like PD already has for GT5, and certain features change or even removed as is likely often the case, then they get bashed by fans for saying they were promised these features and now they are gone... which is why it is very understandable why unlike PD, most game developers chose to be far more tight lipped about their games until they are close to finishing the game.

In fact, we see this in all forms of commercial products. Apple is famous for never saying anything about their products until they are close to being released, sometimes even waiting until just a day before the product will be made available to announce it for the first time.

So no, by comparison to most game developers, PD has been far more generous to the public in regards to releasing information about their games far in advance of them actually being finished and for sale. In fact I would dare say to a fault.

If I were heading PD, I'd do what Apple does and not say a word until the product was practically done before saying a word, but I also understand why they don't. What I don't understand is why some people think that similar companies have released more information about their games as far advanced to their release than PD has, as that simply isn't true.

 

[Famine]

Soy's marketing is a bunch of dillweeds. They know, or think, that the current fanbase will get the game whenever it releases. By releasing it with the new 3d fad, they are hoping to entice new customers they wouldn't otherwise get. New customers>existing customers.

Of course! Why do you think that makes them "a bunch of dillweeds"? If they get a crapload more money, they've done their job.

And they will - they'll make more money shifting 3DTVs if they have something to show on it besides the FIFA World Cup. PS3s make a loss anyway, so whether they sell or not is irrelevant, but around 10% of existing PS3 users will buy GT5 in the first couple of weeks.

Compare 3m guaranteed GT5 sales in 2 weeks to 3m guaranteed GT5 sales (20% profit per unit), 1m PS3s (20% loss per unit) and 1m 3DTVs at £4k a pop (75% profit per unit). Sounds rather like Sony's marketing is doing their job to me.


If I were a betting man - and I know I've been to Vegas twice, but I'm really not - I'd reckon we'll know GT5's release date between a month and 2 weeks before the date.

 

[Pat_f40]

I'm gona buy a spy satellite and watch what the hell is Yamauchi doing!!! LOL
Anyone interested?

 

[danthespaceman]

If I were a betting man - and I know I've been to Vegas twice, but I'm really not - I'd reckon we'll know GT5's release date between a month and 2 weeks before the date.

I am thinking this too. A month out from release, they should give us one official trailer, a full feature list and a release date. Any longer than that, and I think the momentum begins to dwindle.

 

[Daz645]

I'm gona buy a spy satellite and watch what the hell is Yamauchi doing!!! LOL
Anyone interested?

He is probably playing GT5 right now.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I think 95% of us agree that 3D is a joke and that it'll do worse than expected. Probably a lot worse than expected.

I'm sorry, but I've seen 3D game demos, although not GT5, in person and they were amazing. Not only that, but everyone who was in our group all agreed it was a huge step forward for the gaming experience.

Anyone who thinks 3D entertainment isn't in the middle of a massive leap forward and is leading the way to huge investments and development by the world's largest electronic companies is clearly not paying any attention at all to the home entertainment market, nor even the incredible consumer interest and demand for 3D displays and content.

Frankly, this just reminds me of all the people who claimed "95% of us think Blu-ray is a joke" just a couple years ago, or "95% of us think DVD is a joke" back in 2000, or "95% of us think the internet is a joke" back in 1990, and so on.

Not only that, but besides the fact that modern 3D technology helped save the film industry last year, even before Avatar and it's 2.6+ billion in box office sales came along. More importantly, the thing many seem to not yet understand about the emerging 3D displays is that they look far superior to what even Avatar and other 3D commercial films have been able to reproduce on screens due to the limitations of the projectors and cheap none shifting glasses.

Mark my words, 3D in home is going to be vastly more popular than 3D in theaters, and we already know how immensely popular 3D in theaters already is. It's why film companies like Warner Brothers held up the release of Clash of the Titans which was never destined to be in 3D, and spent millions in order to quickly make a 3D transfer of the film.

Most importantly, 3D gaming, from the demonstrations I've seen is far more entertaining than 3D films as it literally offers a new dimension to their games and when implemented can not only give gamers an entirely new experience, but developers can also use the 3D to add clever and useful features into the game that wouldn't be possible in a traditional 2D game.

Sony is the best at making silly decisions (remember the PS3 launch @ 600 USD?) LOL!

You do realize that despite the higher cost Sony sold more PS3s than MS sold 360s following the launch of both consoles, and continued to out pace 360 sales long before they lowered the price?

So, other than people wanting something for less, and spreading misinformation and making wild claims, how exactly was that a silly decision?



And while I'm not fan of a lot of choices Sony has made in several of the industries they do business in, other than dropping the ball on losing the brand value of their Walkmen and failure to license their Beta VCR technology to other companies, they have far far more successful product development than they have failures. It would be pure unadulterated hyperbole to suggest otherwise.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

The world economy would like to have a word with you. 3D will not be a hit just yet, if ever (oh yes he did!)

3D tv or pay the rent?

3D tv or pay tuition?

Sure, 3D tvs are going to sell (note: I didn't say well)! Some rich dude will get one. But people just want GT5. And regular HDTVs do just fine.

It was like yesterday HDTVs came out. LED had their time and now 3D? Already? lol, a bit too fast for the average consumer to keep up.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Sure, 3D tvs are going to sell! Some rich dude will get one. But people just want GT5. And regular HDTVs do just fine.

It was like yesterday HDTVs came out. LED had their time and now 3D? Already? lol, a bit too fast for the average consumer to keep up.

I think you just made my point though. Just like you are claiming, others claimed that "95% of us don't care about HDTV" and they were certainly proven wrong. Then it was "95% of us don't care about 1080p, 720p is just fine", and that's clearly been proven wrong.

And as I said before...

Frankly, this just reminds me of all the people who claimed "95% of us think Blu-ray is a joke" just a couple years ago, or "95% of us think DVD is a joke" back in 2000, or "95% of us think the internet is a joke" back in 1990, and so on.

It is easy to suggest something is a joke when you don't have it and don't want to pay for it, but as history has shown, they are often wrong in predicting it's failure.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

1080p is still a joke, though (meaning the benefit is minimal)

As 3D will be.

 

[analog]

Either 3D is the next big thing ( not just marketed as the next big thing ) and it will persuade people who can buy it now to buy it and it eventually becomes the new mainstream and return every investment made.

Or with the current worldwide economy ( and 3D was developed before that ) people don't see it as essential ( pretty or not ) and are hesitant even if they can afford it to become first adopters and the whole 3D idea flops on a massive scale just like it did 2 times before, and we won't hear about it for another 20 years.

( If you want everyone to take it seriously, why use Avatar as a poster child? )

 

[Sam48]

If I were a betting man - and I know I've been to Vegas twice, but I'm really not - I'd reckon we'll know GT5's release date between a month and 2 weeks before the date.

Why should they? They announced a release date at TGS(September) that the game would come in March. That's a 6 month time frame between announcement and release. So what makes you think they won't do that again?

 

[PaMu1337]

The world economy would like to have a word with you. 3D will not be a hit just yet, if ever (oh yes he did!)

3D tv or pay the rent?

3D tv or pay tuition?

Sure, 3D tvs are going to sell (note: I didn't say well)! Some rich dude will get one. But people just want GT5. And regular HDTVs do just fine.

It was like yesterday HDTVs came out. LED had their time and now 3D? Already? lol, a bit too fast for the average consumer to keep up.

The point here is that 3d is awesome, and people should stop saying they don't care for it, since if they would see it they would understand that it IS the future.
The only problem is the TV companies making them way too expensive, there is a huge profit margin on them. If they would sell them slightly affordable, 3d would be a huge hit.

 

[hornet_burnout]

Of course! Why do you think that makes them "a bunch of dillweeds"? If they get a crapload more money, they've done their job.

And they will - they'll make more money shifting 3DTVs if they have something to show on it besides the FIFA World Cup. PS3s make a loss anyway, so whether they sell or not is irrelevant, but around 10% of existing PS3 users will buy GT5 in the first couple of weeks.

Compare 3m guaranteed GT5 sales in 2 weeks to 3m guaranteed GT5 sales (20% profit per unit), 1m PS3s (20% loss per unit) and 1m 3DTVs at £4k a pop (75% profit per unit). Sounds rather like Sony's marketing is doing their job to me.
(...)

And that is what made me reach stage 5 (see sig.)... like it or not, Sony is in it for the business, and in current times, you have to maximize profit and sales opportunities. And hope they are still around with PD to bring GT6, 7 etc

 

[SrRd RacinG]

At any rate, 2010 will not be the year of the 3D tvs. Nor do I think 2011 will. Or 2012. This leap is too sudden.

Either you have a nice HDTV or you still use SDTV. Both do the trick, but HTDV does it better. HD helps you see things clearer. TV doesn't NEED to be broadcasted in 3D. It's a silly gimmick (for now). And that's why i believe it'll take some time to gain traction.

Sure, you don't need an HDTV. You can see things pretty well in an SDTV, but do we NEED 3D tvs (even for gaming)?

 

[analog]

The point here is that 3d is awesome, and people should stop saying they don't care for it, since if they would see it they would understand that it IS the future.
The only problem is the TV companies making them way too expensive, there is a huge profit margin on them. If they would sell them slightly affordable, 3d would be a huge hit.

I don't doubt under normal circumstances ( meaning economic situation ) it would be considered the logical next step and i'm sure it looks great ( although i won't want to suffer headaches because of it, not an irrelevant objection ) but the timing is unfortunatedly, well, unfortunate.
People are more hesitant nowadays, and will probably be for a long time, to invest in something they don't see as essential and are not fully convinced is the next big thing, it's a vicious circle.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Soooo, I'm not buying a 3D TV. Can I have it now?

 

[Perkel]

I think 95% of us agree that 3D is a joke and that it'll do worse than expected. Probably a lot worse than expected. It doesn't enrage me that GT5 is likely being stalled in the name of 3D, but it certainly is going to be funny how badly 3D GT5 will sell. The goggles, the price of the goggles, the price of the TV, etc. Sony is the best at making silly decisions (remember the PS3 launch @ 600 USD?) LOL!

Now the question remains: E3 or TGS? (who's going to divulge the most information?)

I think it's got to be E3. Let the hype build up for a few months, then BLAM!

TGS will probably just announce a playable demo on PSN or something. But who knows?

1080p is still a joke, though (meaning the benefit is minimal)

As 3D will be.

lol. I watched some movies 3D and i played some 3D games ( with Ati redeon 9700 glases )

Maybe for films like avatar isn't soo good but for action games or racing games it's like holy grail. You can literaly feel how close is close.

Also watch forza 3 and watch GT5 prologue inn HD 1080p shines !! Only thing that they must improve is AA and it will breathtaking as Italia trailer..

 

[sems4arsenal]

Since when do we have to pay for facebook?

we don't but might do in the future.

 

[FoolKiller]

I'm sorry, but I've seen 3D game demos, although not GT5, in person and they were amazing. Not only that, but everyone who was in our group all agreed it was a huge step forward for the gaming experience.

Anyone who thinks 3D entertainment isn't in the middle of a massive leap forward and is leading the way to huge investments and development by the world's largest electronic companies is clearly not paying any attention at all to the home entertainment market, nor even the incredible consumer interest and demand for 3D displays and content.

What I am about to say is based purely on personal speculation. As I know you have likely put more effort into checking it out, please correct me if I am wrong.

I believe that 3D will have one massive hurdle to overcome: the glasses. See, everyone who sees it at a showcase are wearing the glasses. None are stuck without being able to enjoy the experience. In a theater everyone gets the glasses as they walk in.

But at home it is a bit different. Not everyone is actively paying attention to the screen. If someone is doing chores while someone else is watching something in 3D the first person can't just tune in and out like they can right now. In my own situation my wife will do other things on the laptop while occasionally watching my video games because she enjoys following the narrative and watching the graphics and action. But she can only do that if she keeps the glasses on the whole time. She often does the same when I watch movies, half watches/half plays on Facebook.

Now, if I put in a Blu-Ray she can still do the same. I just feel like the glasses adds a small hassle that can slow things down a bit. I feel like it takes something that the whole family can enjoy with various levels attentiveness and turns it into a sit down and just watch this kind of activity. It seems like it is something that is great for a dedicated home theater, but not so much for the family room.

The other thing with the glasses is if you are in a party setting. Say I had a 3D World Cup party with 12 friends. I need 12 pairs of glasses. Assuming cost isn't an issue, where do you store those?

It will likely be incredibly awesome, I don't doubt that. I just don't see it being incredibly practical in a way that will lead it to be the next HDTV.

That said, as far as gaming goes, if you don't have an audience the newest trend of online multiplayer without same-room multiplayer works great with 3D. Unfortunately, I have an issue with multiplayer where I can't reach over and smack the other player for being a tool, or at least throw something at them.

As I said, it isn't something I have delved into too much because it will likely price me out of the market for a few years, but this is one practicality issue I see slowing it down.

 

[Interpol-007]

delay me once shame on you, delay me twice shame on you, delay me thrice shame on you, delay me fourth times shame on you, delay me five times shame on you.

 

[CodeRedR51]

we don't but might do in the future.

I can live without it if we have to start paying. Not that big a deal to me.

 

[Famine]

delay me once shame on you, delay me twice shame on you, delay me thrice shame on you, delay me fourth times shame on you, delay me five times shame on you.

And delay never, but act like it has been?

 

[Seismica]

And they will - they'll make more money shifting 3DTVs if they have something to show on it besides the FIFA World Cup. PS3s make a loss anyway, so whether they sell or not is irrelevant, but around 10% of existing PS3 users will buy GT5 in the first couple of weeks.

By GT5's release, the PS3 will be turning a profit, due to the RSX moving to 45nm chips. Well, thats if they don't reduce the price further that is.

I won't be buying a 3DTV for GT5. I won't be buying a 3DTV anytime this year. I won't be buying a 3DTV until they replace every other type of TV on the market and I feel I need to buy a new one, which may not be for 15-20 years. I know quite a lot of people who feel the same. I've never been impressed by 3D. I'd rather spend the difference in cost between a regular HDTV and a 3DTV on a sound system to go with it.

But there will be those out there, that are going to buy a 3DTV. While GT5 might not be the main motivation behind it, when the game comes out there are going to be very few other games with 3D compatibility, so its a unique selling point for the game. Everyone who buys a 3DTV who already has a PS3 is likely to buy this game just because it works in 3D. Sony have made the right move to increase sales.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I believe that 3D will have one massive hurdle to overcome: the glasses.

In regards to 3D gaming, no more so than needing a controller for each person playing a game.

In terms of watching 3D sports, movies, TV shows, videos, etc, with a large group, then yes, and if you don't want to buy extra glasses, then you can stick with 2D in those cases. It wont be a 3D or nothing choice.

3D displays will continue to be able to play traditional 2D images just as good if not better than current HDTVs.

However, if someone is truly opposed to using glasses, there are some emerging 3D display technologies that wont require glasses, but expect them to not only be more expensive, but also from what I have heard wont match the visual quality of 3D displays with glasses. You'll also be limited to where you can sit in order to see the proper 3D images, limiting the number of people who can watch it at the same time.

 

[hornet_burnout]

I can live without it if we have to start paying. Not that big a deal to me.

Is this a good time to say I deactivated my Facebook account, and couldn't care less about it's integration into the game, even when I had a farmville spamming facebook account?

 

[Pat_f40]

If I had to buy a TV nowadays, probably I would pick before a 3D "ready" one of these:
Panasonic TH-42PZ800
Sony 46" BRAVIA NX800 Series HDTV
Pioneer Elite PRO-111FD

 

[Sele1981]

Maybe PD/SONY has to wait another 5 years to add another new technique? Move and 3D is not enogh

Really an epic fail... To make all their fans angry and pissed off, only for that ******** techniques... They really think that some people will buy an 3D TV, 3D glasses and the move controller only because of GT5? Why don´t they delay God of war III also? 👎

EDIT: Oh sorry, haven´t read the posts before, it already was discussed...

 

[Spagetti69]

I wondering how their going to advertise these things on my normal tv lol.

 

[analog]

If i wanted GT5 to be 3D, i would invest in a Scalextric set.

 

[Sato NL]

However, if someone is truly opposed to using glasses, there are some emerging 3D display technologies that wont require glasses

Phillips stopt there devellopment on it, Don't know about other companies tough.

( although i won't want to suffer headaches because of it, not an irrelevant objection )

Already suffering from a daily chronic headache. (Read: I wake up with an headache that i may enjoy the whole day, every day for the past 10 years now.)
You won't see me watching tv with something flashing right in front off my eye's any time soon, That's what active shutter glasses do and they will be needed for those home 3d tv's being released over the next couple off month's.

I believe that 3D will have one massive hurdle to overcome: the glasses. See, everyone who sees it at a showcase are wearing the glasses. None are stuck without being able to enjoy the experience. In a theater everyone gets the glasses as they walk in.

The Designers, Devellopers and Marketing people working on 3D TV seem to forget there are consumers who suffer from bad eyesight (Wearing glasses) AND who also have the misfortune of having bad hearing as well (wearing hearing aids.)

Being part off that group of people, I think i can speak for all of them when I say:

I'ts a bit crowded behind my ear! So i don't really want an extra pair of glasses.