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Hey, Xbox isn't my favorite console either, but is it really necessary to bash it (or Forza 3) in every single post you make? It's getting tiresome.
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wrong. otherwise yamauchi wouldnt be walking around taking notes, because isolated game development leads to pure ignorance, sheer arrogance. GT is still a GAME. thats what people seem to forget. sim or not, its sole purpose is entertainment. this isnt about simming every tiny detail to absolute perfection, because while that would be impressive, it would also be incredibly, painfully tedious. as a GAME, as entertainment, then GT still has plenty to learn from other GAMES. however this doesnt mean having to water the GAME down, and it doesnt mean not being able to keep the simulator heritage that everyone so loves.
i feel sad for people that forget these facts.
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Um... last time I checked GT is called "the ultimate driving simulator" not "the ultimate driving game". So that would lead me to believe its meant to simulate driving in real life, which just so happens to be fun as well. Its a bit more than just a game...
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its just a tagline. halo is called combat evolved. not combat evolved game. but it doesnt remove the FACT halo is a game, gran turismo is a videogame. entertainment. again. i feel horribly sad that people think that simulating everything perfectly would mean their enjoyment of the game would somehow be better. the simulated enjoyment of crashing, and then standing around for two hours for the tow truck on the nurburgring, only to be told that your car is now in fact written off and the insurance you acquired before you started doesnt cover track day time trial test sessions. then having to travel home crushed in the truck next to a fat bloke with BO, your pride and joy in a million pieces on the flat bed behind and having to explain to the wife why now you cant afford that conservatory you promised her. two weeks later a couple grands worth of bill from the track owners for armco repairs plops onto your mat and removes the last remaining credits you needed for vehicle repairs. game over..........💡
extreme? not really. my demonstration merely highlights the fact sim or not, this is still a game. all the crap and annoyances of real life is cut out. why? because its stupid to think otherwise! preposterous even. the line has to be drawn somewhere between what is real life, what needs simulating and what doesnt. again why? because somethings are entertaining, pleasurable and fun with driving, racing and tuning. other things just arent.
people should ALWAYS remember then, GT is first and foremost made to be a piece of entertainment. and secondly a driving simulator. lesson endeth.
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Well, HALO didn't really revolutionize anything though, did it? It's a fun game - but it didn't really do much more than any other FPS does better - just look at COD 4 - the game.
Gran Turismo on the other hand, did revolutionize the driving game genre - to such a degree that actual race drivers use it to get the track layouts and performance of their virtual vehicles to see how to handle the turns and chicanes of a given course the day or two before a race. When a "game" is used to that degree, it isn't just a game anymore - it is a simulation. The same thing is done within NASA and the Air Force and what they do with their simulators - they give their pilots in training a chance to get a run-through of everything as close to real as possible without the pesky "death" or "injury" parts occurring.
Gran Turismo is very deserving of the title "Driving Simulator" because that is exactly what it does - it just comes to us packaged and marketed as a game.
The simulators that NASA, The Air Force and commercial pilot's use are no different - yet, they aren't labeled as games. I wonder why that is.
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Well, HALO didn't really revolutionize anything though, did it? It's a fun game - but it didn't really do much more than any other FPS does better - just look at COD 4 - the game.
Gran Turismo on the other hand, did revolutionize the driving game genre - to such a degree that actual race drivers use it to get the track layouts and performance of their virtual vehicles to see how to handle the turns and chicanes of a given course the day or two before a race. When a "game" is used to that degree, it isn't just a game anymore - it is a simulation. The same thing is done within NASA and the Air Force and what they do with their simulators - they give their pilots in training a chance to get a run-through of everything as close to real as possible without the pesky "death" or "injury" parts occurring.
Gran Turismo is very deserving of the title "Driving Simulator" because that is exactly what it does - it just comes to us packaged and marketed as a game.
The simulators that NASA, The Air Force and commercial pilot's use are no different - yet, they aren't labeled as games. I wonder why that is.
No, sorry. Consider just how flawed GT4's driving physics were, it is just a game. Sure, the track and car modelling is graphically spot on, but the driving dynamics mean that it just isn't a simulator. GT5p is heading in the right direction, but it still isn't perfect.
In relative terms, if you trained F18 pilots on a physics engine as flawed as GT4's, there'd be crashes all over the shop as soon as they got off the ground.
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Well I doubt that the physics used in pilot simulators are spot-on all the time. It's sole purpose is to be as precise as possible within the limitations of a computer - no matter how powerful said computer may be.
Just because a pilot's simulator makes the airplane bounce and slide along the ground unrealistically during a crash instead of exploding into millions of realistic particles, doesn't mean it still isn't a simulator.
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In terms of flight physics? Yes they are, that is kinda the whole point of the exercise. Thats why pilots do hundreds of hours in simulators before they ever leave the ground, and thats why they use them to keep their hand in during their career. It'd be pointless if it wasn't accurate.
In terms of driving physics, GT is NOT a simulator, not by some margin. Put it this way, if GT5p (or 4 for that matter) were accurate, then why have they still not figured out how to simulate the effect of an LSD properly?
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I love this discussion. wheres all the mods when you need them? weather you like it or not, GT is still a game, you still play with your playstation GAMING CONSOL, you can still use a controller, your still sitting at home. What makes GT any different then a realistic shooting game? they don't call themselvs, "007: The Real death Simulator"
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Far Cry 2, the real burning african mercenaries simulator.
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It's just a videogame. Get over it.
The main purpose of it is that players, with different abilities, have fun.
EDIT: I couldn't resist.
Super Mario Bros: The real jumping plumber simulator.
Castlevania: The real vampire hunter simulator.
The Legend of Zelda: The real killing ugly pixelated monsters simulator.
The main purpose of it is that players, with different abilities, have fun.
EDIT: I couldn't resist.
Super Mario Bros: The real jumping plumber simulator.
Castlevania: The real vampire hunter simulator.
The Legend of Zelda: The real killing ugly pixelated monsters simulator.
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Tetris: The Real Falling Block Simulator.
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Dude, sorry, but you're not schooling anyone.
Gran Turismo defined a whole genre of race gaming. When Microsoft was looking for ideas to steal for their Next Big Thing, did they copy Need For Speedhype?
Now look, you may have a squee attack when you hear exaggerated Fast & Furious sound effects and speed rendered faster than it would look in real life, but if you want proper car sounds, you don't rip the sounds from other games, you go to the source, which happens to be an actual car in this universe. Well, the one I'm in anyhow.
Besides, what awesome gameplay are Kaz and the lads supposed to be schooled on from other games? Drifting for Kudo points? Awesome mega-explosive takedowns?
Actually, if I was trying to recreate the world of real lifer racing, maybe the best thing to do is... oh, I dunno, look at real lfe racing. Just a thought.
By the way, the height of arrogance is considering yourself the most awesomest poster, and then patting yourself on the back for it in the post.
Well, you have to be careful because everything gets something badly wrong. Try taking a Live For Speed car in its current build a lap past the useful tire life. Rather than become increasingly mushy, the tire abruptly becomes as slick as if it's coated with oil. And this is one of the most heralded car sims in the world.
If a racing sim has to be completely accurate, I'm afraid by that definition, there just aren't any.
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This is really old now. Is it possible to make a post without bashing Microsoft or anything else Microsoft-related?
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Dude, seriously you need to get your head out of your "you know where" and realize that competition can only lead to better things. Also, since when was a racing simulator Sony's idea and only Sony's idea?
Also, one thing I really don't get is that you constantly bash Microsoft yet have a 360 and XBL.
Also, one thing I really don't get is that you constantly bash Microsoft yet have a 360 and XBL.
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and here.. we... go.
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Oh true enough, and I wasn't saying it was a bad thing. Just that its not an "according to Hoyle" driving simulator. I just wish they'd implement proper LSD effects and one or two other things. Hopefull GT5 sees some improvements to the basic physics.
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Dude, seriously you need to get your head out of your "you know where" and realize that competition can only lead to better things. Also, since when was a racing simulator Sony's idea and only Sony's idea?
Also, one thing I really don't get is that you constantly bash Microsoft yet have a 360 and XBL.
*SHOTS FIRED*
For people thinking GT5 will be out with ps3 slim, a french site Play3-live insist on the fact that many retailers are planning Ps3 slim for September 1th 
http://www.play3-live.com/news-ps3-de-plus-en-plus-proche-de-la-ps3-slim-16184.html
If it is real, it will be out without getting hype...and all will be revealed at gamescom................even GT5 for the launch???
Let's wait one more week
http://www.play3-live.com/news-ps3-de-plus-en-plus-proche-de-la-ps3-slim-16184.html
If it is real, it will be out without getting hype...and all will be revealed at gamescom................even GT5 for the launch???
Let's wait one more week
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For people thinking GT5 will be out with ps3 slim, a french site Play3-live insist on the fact that many retailers are planning Ps3 slim for September 1th
http://www.play3-live.com/news-ps3-de-plus-en-plus-proche-de-la-ps3-slim-16184.html
If it is real, it will be out without getting hype...and all will be revealed at gamescom................even GT5 for the launch???
Let's wait one more week
If this is real, (not very likely, but plausible):
. GT5 will be out before anyone expected and kill sales of FM3 for multi console owners. Will also dampen sales of Need for speed, Dirt etc.
. Because of its early release, many people will get GT5 well before xmas and might find they really want GTmobile at xmas to play more of their favourite game.
. Word of mouth about how great GT5 is means it will sell better than any hype that marketers can come up with.
. GTplanets 'jordan' date could be very accurate, so much so that by announcing the date could have also released date about PS3 Slim date, Sony really wouldnt like that.
. Where does amar come into this?
but once again, it just seems too soon.
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i didnt actually read anything you said in your last reply to me tenacious D. because i have been here for ten seconds and spotted you as someone that instantly i would rather not know, saying things irrelevant to my comments and others already covered earlier straight away. with several community members mocking you very quickly. the whole idea that the developers of GT games should ignore every other game is nothing short of complete stupidity in my opinion. dont expect me to take note of another reply (with obligatory microsoft bashing included no doubt) to this either from you. so anyway. meh.
GT5 prologue just passed 4m units sold, which is pretty astonishing. all this hype and anticipation is surely keeping prologue sales rolling! this sort of anticipation is gonna be beneficial for sony and polyphony digital, but its nothing but agony for me. its like i want to forget about GT5 and suddenly it will have arrived. however i cant take my eyes off games news for the slightest hint of a release date lol
GT5 prologue just passed 4m units sold, which is pretty astonishing. all this hype and anticipation is surely keeping prologue sales rolling! this sort of anticipation is gonna be beneficial for sony and polyphony digital, but its nothing but agony for me. its like i want to forget about GT5 and suddenly it will have arrived. however i cant take my eyes off games news for the slightest hint of a release date lol
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It might stop some people from getting FM3. Won't stop me though.
I enjoyed FM2 quite a bit and played it online with friends. I'll do the same with FM3. Any opportunity for a good car game I'm not going to turn down.
Need For Speed I still need to wait and see what the deal with that is going to be. But FM3 is pre ordered, and Dirt I'll give a rent before I decide on that.
GT5 offcourse will have to be bought too no matter what.
It's going to be a great next couple of months. (Throw in Operation Flashpoint and I might just never leave my house again
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It might stop some people from getting FM3. Won't stop me though.
I enjoyed FM2 quite a bit and played it online with friends. I'll do the same with FM3. Any opportunity for a good car game I'm not going to turn down.
Need For Speed I still need to wait and see what the deal with that is going to be. But FM3 is pre ordered, and Dirt I'll give a rent before I decide on that.
GT5 offcourse will have to be bought too no matter what.
It's going to be a great next couple of months. (Throw in Operation Flashpoint and I might just never leave my house again
only the most cynical of fanbois wouldnt want to have both FM3 and GT5, if simply to do nothing else than compare then and being able to form their own opinion. FM3 will surely be here first, enough time to decide what i do and do not like about it, and hopefully polyphony will be playing it to decide the very same thing for themselves.
online racing is extremely important to me. i would rather sit down and play through career on my own to gain fabulous cars, but then taking them and showing them off online with your mates is pretty much a pre requisite of racing games these days. test drive unlimited it was practically the whole game!
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Please Mr Vulcan, sentences start with CAPITAL LETTERS!
Live long and prosper!
Live long and prosper!
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Yes.
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