GT6 - Could we have cause to get our money back?

[Famine]

Is it legal to push delivery date so far at your legal rights of getting money back is expired?
- Maybe I can start selling "products" to consumers using high promises and getting my "product" to sale because of that, and then just delaying delivery so long at consumers legal rights for demand money back is expired and I'll get away with high stack of money without delivering promised "product"? In legal terms what Sony/PD are using it seems like it's fine if I just send a leaflet to my consumers where is tell how I'll provide moon to them soon on upcoming update, and on maybe playing good customer servant and send even second leaflet also where I still claim same story of upcoming update, just to play time.

*sigh*

Okay, the SCEE site details EIGHT items as coming in "Future Updates". No deadline was given. THREE of those items have arrived, after four months on sale, FIVE have not. Yet.

If they NEVER come to the game, that's false advertising. If they don't come to the game as fast as you'd like, that's your problem.

I bought Pre-order version of GT6 mainly because I wanted APEX2 book, even it comes on "downloadable" version, it will be just fine for me, I have color laser printer and it will be just fine for me, I paid my game when advertise of game says at I'll get electronical copy of that APEX2 book, I get zero information after that at there is not coming any APEX2 book.
I felt like my money was screwed considering that APEX2 book, and price what I have paid wasn't correct for product what I have received, due it's false advertised to me.

Who told you that you were getting a copy of Beyond the Apex 2 for preordering GT6? As far as we're aware, the only people to be offered that are Japanese buyers of the First Press Edition and collector's version - and we posted that information on this site two weeks before the game was released.

It would be just great show what I want to see if someone is willing to sue PD/Sony(or both of them though re-seller) for fake advertisement and ripping of money and leaving product half way.

Some guy should check what is that deadline of money back? Because that is the deadline what PD/Sony have to obey on sell time promises of content, or they are committing fraud against consumer.

Again, no deadline for delivering the eight "Future Update" items was given and there is no legal deadline for them to do so. We've had three of the items arrive through updates in the first four months. That's two defences against the accusation right there.

If you want to launch a court case against them and hurl money at lawyers pointlessly, please be my guest. I advise you in the strongest possible terms not to waste your time and cash.

 

[OdeFinn]

*sigh*

Okay, the SCEE site details EIGHT items as coming in "Future Updates". No deadline was given. THREE of those items have arrived, after four months on sale, FIVE have not. Yet.

If they NEVER come to the game, that's false advertising. If they don't come to the game as fast as you'd like, that's your problem.Who told you that you were getting a copy of Beyond the Apex 2 for preordering GT6? As far as we're aware, the only people to be offered that are Japanese buyers of the First Press Edition and collector's version - and we posted that information on this site two weeks before the game was released.Again, no deadline for delivering the eight "Future Update" items was given and there is no legal deadline for them to do so. We've had three of the items arrive through updates in the first four months. That's two defences against the accusation right there.

You are obviously missing my point, delaying over consumer rights to get money back is risky, and if you think at there is no deadline for completing your order then you might go to some fast food place and order food from them, don't get pissed if they ask you to come back later for your food, and after half your you will just smile and wait your promised food, what they have advertised to you and you are paid, maybe they give you salad and free cookies (you have to jump around because of these free cookies, because they aren't thing what you have paid, or advertised to you), but you have to be happy, you get one part of your paid food, salad, and *FREE EXTRA* cookies, so no worries, wait a bit more

Maybe next new model of Toyota is sold just in way as GT6 is now sold, consumer will get brand new keys for upcoming model, and some old CarinaII++ model (++ because other drivers have to see that you're driving newest upcoming model of Toyota) where is tweaked locks what works with that brand new model key, you can drive around your CarinaII++ and wait for upcoming update of car for unlimited time, when either Toyota delivers your new car or goes bankrupt.

I paid my game nearly 2 months before actual release, my re-seller is saying at advertisement what they use was directly coming from SCEE and I should question their acts of this false advertisement of APEX2 book. Money was in/paid and NO other information than I'll get APEX2 book was around. As you self said, information comes up just two weeks before release.

If you want to launch a court case against them and hurl money at lawyers pointlessly, please be my guest. I advise you in the strongest possible terms not to waste your time and cash.

Maybe I'll contact our Finish consumer agency and ask how The Consumer Protection Act is protecting my rights against this case, probably they will oblige my re-seller to compensate my purchase because not delivering content what I have paid.

Duff, sorry for "wrong" font, editor fails something.

 

[Famine]

You are obviously missing my point, delaying over consumer rights to get money back is risky

Who's doing that?

and if you think at there is no deadline for completing your order then you might go to some fast food place and order food from them, don't get pissed if they ask you to come back later for your food, and after half your you will just smile and wait your promised food, what they have advertised to you and you are paid, maybe they give you salad and free cookies (you have to jump around because of these free cookies, because they aren't thing what you have paid, or advertised to you), but you have to be happy, you get one part of your paid food, salad, and *FREE EXTRA* cookies, so no worries, wait a bit more

That happens often. Of course since the distributor is also the manufacturer, it's very clear cut.


Here is an analogy that actually works.
You lend £50 to a mate at Christmas. He says he'll pay you back when he can and you say that's fine. Do you badger him by May to give you your money back? Do you threaten to sue him for not giving you your money back? Bear in mind that if he dies without paying you back, you can claim your money from his estate.

The agreement the two of you entered into has no deadline. It's completely unreasonable of you to start trying to unilaterally enforce a deadline but, should he die without meeting it, you have legal means to satisfy the deal.

Now, you bought GT6 knowing that you'd get 8 features in updates, with no deadline. Unlike your mate, they've already given you 3 of those features. Why are you talking about legal avenues to get the other 5 or your money back to enforce a deadline you didn't agree to? It's ludicrous.

Go ahead and do it if you want though. If I can't talk you out of it, I wish you the very best of luck.

I paid my game nearly 2 months before actual release, my re-seller is saying at advertisement what they use was directly coming from SCEE and I should question their acts of this false advertisement of APEX2 book. Money was in/paid and NO other information than I'll get APEX2 book was around. As you self said, information comes up just two weeks before release.

Maybe I'll contact our Finish consumer agency and ask how The Consumer Protection Act is protecting my rights against this case, probably they will oblige my re-seller to compensate my purchase because not delivering content what I have paid.

Your retailer is lying to you - and your contract of sale is with the retailer. You are entitled to a refund under Directive 1999/44/EC (the EU's equivalent to SOGA).

Duff, sorry for "wrong" font, editor fails something.

Yeah, it behaves weirdly with some tags. Use the BB Code Editor (top right icon - looks like a page and a spanner) to remove superfluous tags.

 

[Streeto]

No. The product is as described (well, at least for UK buyers it is).

However, you can get your money back by taking it back to the shop for a refund.

Actually have a look at your case, on the back there's a playstation network box which says "Create your own clubs and thrilling 16 player races"...

Yes it's a UK copy.

Interesting, huh.

 

[Famine]

Actually have a look at your case, on the back there's a playstation network box which says "Create your own clubs and thrilling 16 player races"...

Yes it's a UK copy.

Interesting, huh.

Not really. We did that two pages ago.

 

[Streeto]

Not really. We did that two pages ago.

Ok sorry, my mistake.

We can also go fishing instead of playing on the PS3 but it doesn't say that on the box.

It would only be logical to assume it refers to a feature in-game, but you seem set on defending PD with your life so...

 

[Famine]

Ok sorry, my mistake.

We can also go fishing instead of playing on the PS3 but it doesn't say that on the box.

It would only be logical to assume it refers to a feature in-game, but you seem set on defending PD with your life so...

PD don't write the boxes - as has been pointed out many, many times already - so in this respect I'd happily defend them. I'll defend Kim Jong-Un against the accusation that he's to blame for the GT6 box saying something, on a similar basis - it doesn't mean I'm a fan of his particularly.

"Assume" is an interesting word. It seems to be the source of much bilious anger in this thread.

 

[Gejabo]

I really enjoy reading this thread.
And have nothing but respect for the way @Famine keeps his cool and tries to reason.

I bought GT6 and having fun with it, maybe I'm just more patient then some.

What I don't understand, if some people are so confident they have a case.
Why not break your piggyback and get your self a lawyer.

It would be a nice experiment.

 

[Bo]

@Famine has managed to put all my arguments against the "false advertising" cases into just a few posts, and has written them better than I ever could or will do. I have a lot of respect for you.

 

[dQuim]

I've no doubt PD will deliver all of their promised updates. But what I do have doubt over is the time scale.

 

[gt362gamer]

I don't get with people nowadays..

First, it's only a $60 product
Second, you already got what you paid for, a GT6 game, new physics, new tracks, new cars, new features (faster loading time than GT5, simplified menus), new seasonals, new events, etc and the list is still growing, PD is still developing this game.

All that for a small price of $60, it's totally worth it, and yet people are still whining and wanting more.. and even trying to sue when they don't get what they hope for? what childish! remember in the end this is still just a Gran Turismo game, you cannot expect it to be a 10 million worth of super simulator that simulates everything and has the best graphic and sounds and has all the cars in the planet, and every features every racing game could ever wish for..

Remember, this is only a 60 dollars Gran Turismo game! wake up man!

No, YOU wake up. We are costumers that are angry because PD fooled us AGAIN. Wheres sound update? Where is course maker? b spec? quick match? This is ridiculous, and even more that people like you defend this ****.

 

[jimipitbull]

No, YOU wake up. We are costumers that are angry because PD fooled us AGAIN. Wheres sound update? Where is course maker? b spec? quick match? This is ridiculous, and even more that people like you defend this ****.

There's an old saying.... Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

How many times have you been fooled?

 

[CarreraGT]

Ok @Famine I'm agree with you at this point but can we claim for all empty promises as false advertisement or something else ?
You can always find something in law so I'm pretty sure "we" can go the court to sue PD but for what .... I don't know unfortunately ????

I'm not sure whether this is serious or not. You want to take a multi billion dollar company to court for making "empty promises"... There is a real world outside of Gran Turismo and unless said "promises" are printed on the back of the game case then you're going to have to deal with it. Besides, poorly translated interviews and comments on gaming forums hardly count as promises.

Politicians break promises all the time, but there's one thing you can do about. I suggest you exercise your democratic (or in this case consumer) right and don't buy the game next time around

 

[ironman44321]

This is still going on? Are you kidding me? Go home GTPlanet, your drunk.

 

[Davoxx]

I'm not sure whether this is serious or not. You want to take a multi billion dollar company to court for making "empty promises"... There is a real world outside of Gran Turismo and unless said "promises" are printed on the back of the game case then you're going to have to deal with it. Besides, poorly translated interviews and comments on gaming forums hardly count as promises.

Politicians break promises all the time, but there's one thing you can do about. I suggest you exercise your democratic (or in this case consumer) right and don't buy the game next time around

Famine already answer to the question and explain us we can't and I said that I was agree with him after his explanation, read previous post.
It seam also that this question is no longer current.
I don't want to sue them personally and I never wanted.
And of course I'm done with PD so I'm not going to buy the game next time you are right.
.

 

[gt362gamer]

There's an old saying.... Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

How many times have you been fooled?

twice, gt5 and gt6... yep, im fool. I know . Anyway, I still want what PD promised us.