Griffith500
That's still not primary evidence. At all.
*I play GT Academy demo.
*I form an opinion of it, based on my time playing it.
GT Academy demo is not primary evidence (source Griffith500)
Griffith500
Primary evidence would be evidence of the finished article
*I play GT6.
*I form an opinion of it, based on my time playing it.
GT6 is primary evidence (source Griffith500)
I don't see the difference.
Griffith500
As for your addendum, no, it's not what you're assuming it is at all. Tut tut indeed. For clarity, I don't think the new sounds will make it in at launch.
And yet you used quotes from Kaz almost as a defense that GT6 will have new sounds. For clarity, why is that?
Griffith500
Any "opinion" formed on incorrect data is itself incorrect, by the way. Being "right" for the wrong reasons doesn't count, either.
So my opinion of GT Academy demo (it's sounds, physics etc.) is incorrect. Tell me, what would be the correct data to form an opinion of the GT Academy demo if not the GT Academy demo?
Griffith500
The fact is, we've been told that what you're considering "primary evidence" is nothing like ("completely different" from) what they're trying to achieve.
Griffith500 has said before that he doesn't believe, or isn't sure, if PD's new way of generating sounds will make it into GT6. Do you think he's saying that it's going to be the case? Or does he feel that he knows that's going to be the case? I'm not exactly answering this for him, but my guess is that he's speculating and having an opinion that shows his impartiality. The "new way of generating sounds" that Kaz mentioned was never said to be something that WILL make it into GT6 nor was it ever explained in detail what it is and what it entails.
You're forming an opinion based on a demo from a build that we're totally unsure of why it performs worse (visually and graphically, at least in terms of the frame-rate and aliasing) than the Silverstone and Gamescom demos, but strangely performs similar to the E3 demo in those regards. With the Goodwood FoS demo, I remember it being E3-like and I don't believe we heard anything about the one in Scotland that was more recent than the FoS's demo so we can only assume. The rest of us have only the GT Academy demo to judge what the final version of GT6 will be like, so all we can do now after knowing that the GTA demo isn't up to par with the most recent demo that the public tested at Gamescom is to speculate on how much greater can the sounds and physics get.
Seeing as how when we first got the GT5 GT Academy time trial 10 months before the release of the game and PD weren't working or collaborating with tire and suspension companies at the time, we can "rule out" any speculation on just how much greater or not the physics can get. This is the 8th year that PD has been working with the PS3 and were able to restructure and break ground in GT6 using the system in the last two and a half years since the release of GT5, all the while smoothing out the rough edges GT5 had for two years from the graphics to the physics and to the sounds. It should be safe to say they're finding it more efficient to tweak and improve all of GT6's features directly instead of through online updates. With that said, are these demos going to tell you everything we should expect of the sounds when GT6 gets packaged and shipped?
Yes, the Z4 GT3 sounds a bit...atrocious. No, I don't think that's what we'll be hearing when the time comes to play the final version of the game. Will it sound like what we hoped? Maybe it will. Is there a chance it'll stay the same? Maybe, yes. Is there a chance it'll get worse?.......... :| Just no. Logically, there will be improvements and no one is saying that they'll be "major" or "substantial". Logically, a demo isn't something to substantiate "opinions" and speculations, considering that demos simply aren't the final version of the game. We can only wisely compare a past game with the demo. Could you have seriously looked at GT5 at the time of its release and said, "In three years, GT6 will be released and there will have been updates to this final version of GT5 that changes every aspect from one end of the Spectrum to the other." GT5 Prologue had it's updates, but did they do the same as all of the current game's, GT5 updates?
Based on GT5 Prologue, we should have gotten a Spec III update (with tracks and cars
). Based on GT4 Prologue, GT5 Prologue shouldn't have lasted more than two years the way that it (sort of) did. Based on the transition from GT2 to GT3 and GT4 on the PS2, GT5 on the PS3 should have had...more events and less cars (it technically did have less cars, IF you want to go there, but thank Kaz that there wasn't; and this is coming from someone who stays away from the Standard cars for the most part)
. There can be a lot more said with a lot less words if Griffith500 cares to reply.
